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[andy6915]

I made a topic over 2 years ago about those ruins, and how utterly confusing they were when you looked at the evidence.

 

http://forum.bioware...rcane-warriors/
 

I played through that part again recently, and it really is interesting. A forest that was planted by elves holds a temple that isn't built like a typical ancient elves ruin is used by immortal elves for their "long sleep" rituals, a great battle between elves and humans and then something that wiped both sides out at once which left so many dead that the veil was pretty much torn wide open, a mage specialization largely lost to time that I assume was one of the main things used by said elves against the humans, a battle so horrible that one of them thought that sealing themselves inside a little blood globe was better then whatever was going on...

There's just so much mystery. I know mystery is nice, but I truly do want to find out just what the heck was going on there. What exactly was the arcane warriors, and how widespread were they among ancient elves? Was the ancient elven armor set the silver armor that you read about in the spirit's memories (it would add up)? What sparked the battle?

You know, I somehow have the feeling that it's somehow tied to the greater history of how the elves lost their second homeland. In that same area is the place where the eluvian was too, in a nearby and similarly designed ruin. That lends support to the forest actually being very significant to the elves history. Almost as if it was once a city, fallen into ruin to the point where it's just a few scattered temples left. It can't be the Dales because that is west of the Frostback mountains, so what it could be I have no idea. Arlathan was apparently destroyed utterly, sunk into either the ground or the sea (forget which), so I doubt it's that either. And what were the arcane warriors? There's no mention of elves ever using that magic style in anything the Dalish have rediscovered, but it was definitely used by ancient elves against whatever human army attacked the place... Only for their entire sect to be wiped out to the point that no mention of the style made it into history. Considering it was clearly an elven style, it was pretty cruel of the Warden to not tell the Dalish about the possibly huge piece of their history you stumbled on.

That was a long last paragraph. Anyway, I hope this is all touched upon someday. Bioware left a subtle but significant thing they could focus on later if they so choose. I say subtle because I doubt anyone has truly thought about just how big a deal the forest and ruins in it could be later. Until now, that is. If they ever do an elven focused game (they should, after 2 human focused one with DA2 and DA3), this could very well play a role. I don't think the mysteries of the ancient elves will be totally solved without figuring out that forest and temples role in their history.

 

We certainly know a lot more about the ancient elves than before, enough to figure out at least SOMETHING about what in the hell happened in those ruins. It's still one of the greatest mysteries in Thedas.

 

...It seems some of my post about arcane warriors was a little off though, since Solas knows about it and the Circles knew about it enough to make Knight Enchanter as an offshoot of it. Also, DAI was practically an elven focused game, considering certain... Things.

[Creator Limbs]

No, unfortunately it didn't. The only place that I can remember showing up from DA:O was Redcliffe and it was completely different. So I'd probably be disappointed if they'd touched on it anyway.

[andy6915]

So I'd probably be disappointed if they'd touched on it anyway.

 

Well, it is true that it would probably not live up the the expectations I have for what in the world happened in there.

[Gervaise]

Some of the explanation will probably come next time Solas turns up.    During the Dalish origin we visit another set of ruins and comment that it looks like elves and humans were co-existing there.    Then in the Temple of Mythal we learn that the elven empire was already in ruins when Tevinter arrived on the scene but that doesn't mean humans weren't involved in the earlier events, particularly if the ancient elves treated them as slaves or simply vermin to be destroyed.   So the big battle between elves and humans may not have been on such clearly determined racial lines.    Actually I think the spirit in the ruins says they were fighting some sort of evil being, not just humans.    So it could be that it was a battle between the followers of one elven deity and another, very likely defending themselves from  Falon'Din when he was seeking new worshippers and the blood flowed in rivers from those who refused.     There is a codex where it says that the temple of each god was more like a small city.   Arlathan was probably a central hub, originally neutral ground, where the different gods and their followers would come to parley.

 

If you take the Knight Enchanter specialism Solas comments that it has its origins in the Arcane Warrior discipline.   Basically Tevinter copied a lot of magical techniques from what they scavenged from the ruins of elven culture.

[Qun00]

Brazilian forest?

[andy6915]

Actually I think the spirit in the ruins says they were fighting some sort of evil being, not just humans.

 

I took it to mean that their fighting unleashed something REALLY BAD, which then attacked both sides mercilessly. Almost exactly like what happened at Soldiers Peak actually, when Avernus summoned demons which then started killing both sides.