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[Xilizhra]

is it really worth rewriting half of the characters and the entire specialization material just to get a single specialization that has been handled very poorly in the past installments of the franchise?

You don't have to rewrite anyone except Dorian, and him only slightly.

 

 

There's an extremely massive difference between keeping it secret from everyone even including YOUR ENTIRE PARTY, and just keeping it secret from people you need to keep it secret from. You think the party won't notice your wrist suddenly blasting blood out of itself while your have a blood aura? Uh... No...

You don't have to keep it a secret from your own party.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Isn't Dorian against blood magic, since his own father tried to use it on him?

 

I'm sure a '[Persuade]' option will convince him otherwise!

[Steelcan]

You don't have to rewrite anyone except Dorian, and him only slightly.

>totally averse to the use of blood magic

>is now using it

>slight change

 

 

plus changing Josephine to get you the adviser, changing the companions to being at the best tolerable of it for you, and so on

[Xilizhra]

>totally averse to the use of blood magic

>is now using it

>slight change

Dorian says outright that there's nothing wrong with blood magic that uses your own blood or that of a willing participant.

 

 

plus changing Josephine to get you the adviser, changing the companions to being at the best tolerable of it for you, and so on

Not an actual change to Josephine's character, and none of the companions would be willing to set off the huge PR disaster that exposing the Inquisitor would create.

[andy6915]

You don't have to keep it a secret from your own party.

 

You don't? Cassandra would turn on you with all the influence she can manage, Josephine would turn on you with all the influence she can manage, Vivienne would turn on you with all the influence she can manage, Cullen would turn on you with all the influence he can manage! Word would get out to the rest of the Inquisition and cause pretty much everyone in your army to leave for good, and DAMN NEAR EVERY SINGLE BIT OF SUPPORT IN THE ENTIRETY OF SOUTHERN THEDAS WOULD DROP YOU LIKE A HOT STONE. Are you f*cking crazy?! You have to be, to think that your party would remotely accept it even 1%.

[Br3admax]

Dorian says outright that there's nothing wrong with blood magic that uses your own blood or that of a willing participant.

That's actually not what Dorian said at all. That was Solas, and even Solas disapproves of using it because it weakens a mage's connection to the Fade. 

Not an actual change to Josephine's character,

Stout Andrastian. Right. 

 and none of the companions would be willing to set off the huge PR disaster that exposing the Inquisitor would create.

Except all of them are very willingly turn against the Inquisitor when it catches their fancy. Blackwall in chains was willingly to do so. 

[Xilizhra]

You don't? Cassandra would turn on you with all the influence she can manage, Josephine would turn on you with all the influence she can manage, Vivienne would turn on you with all the influence she can manage! Word would get out to the rest of the Inquisition and cause pretty much everyone in your army to leave for good, and DAMN NEAR EVERY SINGLE BIT OF SUPPORT IN THE ENTIRETY OF SOUTHERN THEDAS WOULD DROP YOU LIKE A HOT STONE. Are you f*cking crazy?!

Cassandra and Vivienne won't leave the Inquisition no matter how much they hate you personally; I fail to see how this would be different. And Josephine's never been mentioned to have any kind of blood magic paranoia.

[katerinafm]

Blood magic is tricky. On one hand, you have a lot of characters that say it's just a tool and a replacement for mana. Which, in theory, it's true! On the other hand everyone else reminds you at every turn that blood magic is evil and all mages that use it eventually become possessed and corrupted. In DA2 this is especially apparent, with crazy blood mages existing left and right (though I'm guessing the thin veil and red lyrium being around influenced everyone).

 

In DAI, you couldn't even really be evil. To have the inquisitor be a blood mage would mess up with how blood magic is considered in DA, and not fit with any of the dialogue options/personalities. Unless you want the inquisitor to be the special snowflake that is a 'good' blood mage, which again, conflicts with what everyone says and what the devs seem to want you to think. 

 

I am also completely against making Dorian a blood mage. It'd go against a lot of what he says, his beliefs, and wouldn't make sense with how he's been raised and hated what his father was going to do to him. He's been raised literally to be above blood magic and to consider it a weak mind's weapon. Just because he explains how it works to you doesn't mean that he'd consider it himself.

[andy6915]

You want to know how it would go, you using blood magic? Look at this cut dialogue from Origins.

 

[Xilizhra]

That's actually not what Dorian said at all. That was Solas, and even Solas disapproves of using it because it weakens a mage's connection to the Fade.

It is, in fact, exactly what Dorian said. It's in the conversation about "real blood magic," and how that's defined in Tevinter as demons and sacrifices.

 

 

Stout Andrastian. Right.

Moderate Andrastian.

 

 

Except all of them are very willingly turn against the Inquisitor when it catches their fancy. Blackwall in chains was willingly to do so. 

Well, to leave the Inquisition if they dislike it, not to destroy it entirely.

[Hellion Rex]

You don't have to rewrite anyone except Dorian, and him only slightly.

Slightly? You do remember that his father tried to change his sexuality with blood magic?

 

That require a hell of a lot more than a simple "slight rewrite".

[andy6915]

Cassandra and Vivienne won't leave the Inquisition no matter how much they hate you personally; I fail to see how this would be different. And Josephine's never been mentioned to have any kind of blood magic paranoia.

Wrong, period. They would turn on you so goddamn fast that your head would spin off. Herald or not, those hardcore Andrastians would not follow a blood mage, they would probably try to kill you. And you ARE insane to think otherwise, and that's an absolute fact.

[Xilizhra]

Slightly? You do remember that his father tried to change his sexuality with blood magic?

 

That require a hell of a lot more than a simple "slight rewrite".

Recall the dialogue I mentioned earlier.

 

 

Wrong, period. They would turn on you so goddamn fast that your head would spin off. Herald or not, those hardcore Andrastians would not follow a blood mage, they would probably try to kill you. And you ARE insane to think otherwise, and that's an absolute fact.

Why? It's not as though following religious doctrine over practical choices has ever been a major concern for either one. Cassandra openly supports heresy and Vivienne isn't even religious.

[Lumix19]

I just don't think it could realistically be kept a secret. Somebody, somewhere's going to find out and it brings the whole Inquisition down. You'd have to suspend disbelief quite a bit.

That said I love blood magic and I really hope they bring it back next game.

[Br3admax]

It is, in fact, exactly what Dorian said. It's in the conversation about "real blood magic," and how that's defined in Tevinter as demons and sacrifices.

And his own personal view, if you actually ask him about it, is nothing but disapproval. 

 

Moderate Andrastian.

Stout. Very few I've seen are more stout. Being a racist and bigot is not required to be stout. 

 

Well, to leave the Inquisition if they dislike it, not to destroy it entirely.

Not really. You trying to dance around the fact that all of them threaten the Inquisitor at every turn doesn't really change the fact that they would turn on the Inquisitor in a heartbeat.

[Xilizhra]

And his own personal view, if you actually ask him about it, is nothing but disapproval. 

No it isn't. He specifically says there's no harm.

 

 

Stout. Very few I've seen are more stout. Being a racist and bigot is not required to be stout.

Er... not really? Virtually all she says about religion is that she hopes the Inquisitor is the Herald. All of her dialogue about the Chantry is practical, relating to diplomatic matters.

 

 

Not really. You trying to dance around the fact that all of them threaten the Inquisitor at every turn doesn't really change the fact that they would turn on the Inquisitor in a heartbeat.

I seriously doubt it.

[andy6915]

Recall the dialogue I mentioned earlier.

 

 

Why? It's not as though following religious doctrine over practical choices has ever been a major concern for either one. Cassandra openly supports heresy and Vivienne isn't even religious.

Supporting heresy=/=supporting a blood mage while believing in the Templar and Seeker cause and having some of the strongest religious views in the entirely of DAI.

[congokong]

Interesting concept. Blood magic would actually allow some choices, god forbid, in DA:I; including being somewhat "evil."

 

I disagree on who'd approve of it somewhat. Dorian for example is anti-blood magic. "The resort of the weak mind" is father told him, and thus became repulsed when his father wanted to use it to make him heterosexual. In general he seems to frown on its usage in Tevinter. Blood magic is the path of temptation, after all, and that's Dorian's greatest fear.

 

Varric I don't see caring either way. When it comes to magic he's never had any approval changes that I know of in either DA2 or DA:I.

 

I am disappointed how they've removed blood magic; even making Hawke anti-blood magic when she was a blood mage in my DA2 playthrough.

[andy6915]

Varric I don't see caring either way. When it comes to magic he's never had any approval changes that I know of in either DA2 or DA:I.

 

Varric wouldn't care, for sure. He had no issues with Merrill. Cole wouldn't either, I don't see a spirit giving a damn. Solas could go either way. Leliana might not care since she didn't mind the Warden doing it (maybe?). The rest would absolutely drop you like a rock and turn on you.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

You don't? Cassandra would turn on you with all the influence she can manage, Josephine would turn on you with all the influence she can manage, Vivienne would turn on you with all the influence she can manage, Cullen would turn on you with all the influence he can manage! Word would get out to the rest of the Inquisition and cause pretty much everyone in your army to leave for good, and DAMN NEAR EVERY SINGLE BIT OF SUPPORT IN THE ENTIRETY OF SOUTHERN THEDAS WOULD DROP YOU LIKE A HOT STONE. Are you f*cking crazy?! You have to be, to think that your party would remotely accept it even 1%.

 

Bind Vivienne, kill Cassandra and tell Josie to shut up. Culen is too busy crying about being a junkie to stop anything so everything will be fine.

 

Plus you have the mark, Blood mage or not, they need the Inquisitor to stop Cory's demon army. If they drop the PC, they let thedas die and most of them would never allow that.

[andy6915]

Bind Vivienne, kill Cassandra and tell Josie to shut up. Culen is too busy crying about being a junkie to stop anything so everything will be fine.

 

Yeah, that will work. It's not like the rest of the entire Inquisition won't find out. Are you stupid?

[EmissaryofLies]

Interesting concept. Blood magic would actually allow some choices, god forbid, in DA:I; including being somewhat "evil."

 

I disagree on who'd approve of it somewhat. Dorian for example is anti-blood magic. "The resort of the weak mind" is father told him, and thus became repulsed when his father wanted to use it to make him heterosexual. In general he seems to frown on its usage in Tevinter. Blood magic is the path of temptation, after all, and that's Dorian's greatest fear.

 

Varric I don't see caring either way. When it comes to magic he's never had any approval changes that I know of in either DA2 or DA:I.

 

I am disappointed how they've removed blood magic; even making Hawke anti-blood magic when she was a blood mage in my DA2 playthrough.

 

What it would bring to the story alone is worth it.

 

But they wrote a one sided Pro-Andrastian narrative, so while I am disappointed, I am not surprised.

[congokong]

Dorian says outright that there's nothing wrong with blood magic that uses your own blood or that of a willing participant.

 

You're misinterpreting what he said. He's said it in a playful tone suggesting he's merely playing devil's advocate for blood mages. Remember that he then adds, "What if you need more? Well, you always need more."

 

His point is blood magic is a gateway to evil practices, even if in its most basic form it isn't evil.

[EmissaryofLies]

Yeah, that will work. It's not like the rest of the entire Inquisition won't find out. Are you stupid?

 

Wow, he was not being sarcastic, wtf.