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[Wulfram]

No, they don't. The female Avvar are wearing this: 

Have to say, either she's currently boiling or the men are freezing.

[Vanth]

The closest I've seen for this is the Avvar male uniform in Jaws of Hakkon. I haven't played the DLC myself, but apparently this is what the dudes wear:

 

I had no idea that the hypocrisy spread to the DLC as well, since I have not played it. Yet more double standards. Thanks for pointing this out. 

[TheRatPack55]

As a man who has had to deal with the pressures of socially-constructed concepts of beauty, I would greatly appreciate it if you would not keep repeating this ridiculousness. The male chest (as a result of pronounced muscle mass) is indeed a sexual feature; I encourage you to read about "secondary sex characteristics." The simple version is that differences in the sexes become selected as "ornaments" which are preferred and seen as desirable.

 

I realize that modern concepts of feminism and the push to "think of the skimpy armor!" has led many to believe that only women can be sexualized, but I assure you, when a man takes off his shirt in media, he's not doing it because they want you to think it's warm outside. The key is to stop treating the male and female body as equal in terms of how they're viewed; a trait which makes a woman attractive to some men is not guaranteed to attract some women to men with the same trait.

 

So than, again, tell me - for whose benefit did the developers of God of War decide to 'sexualize' Kratos so much?

 

Cause I still think the naked, muscled male chest can easily be presented as an attribute of strength and power, without any sexualization involved. The same can't happen with a naked female chest, precisely because of the different ways they are viewed.

[Panda]

No, they don't. The female Avvar are wearing this: 

 

Eh, that's pretty weird. Does game give any reason why male Avvar are dressed like Scandinavian Hunks while women look like they are middle of winter?

[FKA_Servo]

Eh, that's pretty weird. Does game give any reason why male Avvar are dressed like Scandinavian Hunks while women look like they are middle of winter?

 

Nope. At least they're dressed for what the weather ought to be, though. The fact that we're running around in a tropical rainforest in southern Ferelden is confusing, to say the least. The single most annoying thing about the DLC, which is otherwise pretty good.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Eh, that's pretty weird. Does game give any reason why male Avvar are dressed like Scandinavian Hunks while women look like they are middle of winter?

No, there is no in-game explanation for the difference. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Nope. At least they're dressed for what the weather ought to be, though. The fact that we're running around in a tropical rainforest in southern Ferelden is confusing, to say the least. The single most annoying thing about the DLC, which is otherwise pretty good.

I wouldn't say it is a tropical rainforest, but just a rainforest. The area is between the sea and really steep mountains, so all the moisture gets trapped and falls on that area. There are some real world examples of this. 

[DanteYoda]

I'll keep repeating this like a broken record, but The Iron Bull isn't sexualized any more than Kratos is sexualized. Or maybe I'm just not feeling the sexy because he is ugly to me.

You do realize what you said there is exactly how "some" straight males feel about Cassandra and Josephine right?

 

Me included...

[Panda]

Nope. At least they're dressed for what the weather ought to be, though. The fact that we're running around in a tropical rainforest in southern Ferelden is confusing, to say the least. The single most annoying thing about the DLC, which is otherwise pretty good.

 

I wouldn't say it is a tropical rainforest, but just a rainforest. The area is between the sea and really steep mountains, so all the moisture gets trapped and falls on that area. There are some real world examples of this. 

 

Outfit for female characters seems like it would fit better in middle of snow and ice though, I don't really understand what Bioware was thinking of when making design choices for Avvars based on these pics.

[TheRatPack55]

You do realize what you said there is exactly how "some" straight males feel about Cassandra and Josephine right?

 

Me included...

 

Sure. personally I don't find any of the options for straight females particularly attractive either, but I'm not starting twenty threads whining  about not being catered to, like the OP does.

 

The thing is, he has the option of finding female LI with his 'preferred' look in tons of other games. Female gamers have few other options.

[In Exile]

No, they don't. The female Avvar are wearing this: 

 

There are two models of Avars. The ones they used in DA:I proper and that they use for the Jaws of Hakkon are topless and covered in woad. Perhaps this was an issue with censors and they covered them up as a take that? 

[Steelcan]

Nope. At least they're dressed for what the weather ought to be, though. The fact that we're running around in a tropical rainforest in southern Ferelden is confusing, to say the least. The single most annoying thing about the DLC, which is otherwise pretty good.

there are "cold" rainforests out there

[Terodil]

Well, leaving 'in-universe' explanations aside for a moment, I would be tempted to think that the reason for fully-clad female warriors and half-naked male warriors is the same reason why this very thread almost blew up. And BW doesn't like being blown up. Can't blame them.

 

That said, why not. As I said, I'm all for women getting eye-candy too, and if that's what they/you want, great!

 

I still want some pretty armor for my companions too though, and that's got nothing to do with whining or pandering. It's simply a wish voiced in the appropriate forum. And I really don't think that the old DA:O 'light leather armor miniskirt', for example, is all that outrageous.

[DomeWing333]

Well, leaving 'in-universe' explanations aside for a moment, I would be tempted to think that the reason for fully-clad female warriors and half-naked male warriors is the same reason why this very thread almost blew up. And BW doesn't like being blown up. Can't blame them.

They didn't seem to care when making the Avvar enemy types:

 

 

I'm pretty sure that's literally body paint.

[Terodil]

So the semi-naked female model does exist? Then previous posts in this thread contained wrong information. I can't judge myself since I don't have the expansion. It's good info though, means that everybody has the right to agile armor!

P.S. *squints* is she actually naked? I see no nipples, suggesting that it's just really tight clothing... huh

[Steelcan]

They didn't seem to care when making the Avvar enemy types:

 

 

I'm pretty sure that's literally body paint.

looks more like mud to me

[DomeWing333]

P.S. *squints* is she actually naked? I see no nipples, suggesting that it's just really tight clothing... huh

I think she's actually supposed to be topless. Any clothing that tight would have the outline of nipples anyway (especially with a colder climate  ), so the lack of nipples is probably just an aesthetic choice to not make the toplessness draw too much attention.

 

It seems Bioware doesn't necessarily mind having semi-nude female character models. The only thing that might be of concern for them is having scantily clad female companions as the camera will tend to center on them and that can lead to accusations (justified or not) of the "male gaze."

 

But one thing I'd like to note about the picture of the Avvar scout is that her nudity doesn't really sexualize her at all to me. The fact that she's topless isn't titillating or meant to be. It just shows her to be a savage warrior from an exotic culture.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There are two models of Avars. The ones they used in DA:I proper and that they use for the Jaws of Hakkon are topless and covered in woad. Perhaps this was an issue with censors and they covered them up as a take that? 

True, though I was referring to the models we actually see close up rather than the enemy model where they are so small you can't make out details unless you pause and zoom in. Plus then there are two separate models of male Avvar being semi-nude if we are counting the enemy models. 

[Dreamer]

So than, again, tell me - for whose benefit did the developers of God of War decide to 'sexualize' Kratos so much?

 

Cause I still think the naked, muscled male chest can easily be presented as an attribute of strength and power, without any sexualization involved. The same can't happen with a naked female chest, precisely because of the different ways they are viewed.

 

Context is important...

 

Not sexualization:

 

 

Sexualization:

 

 

Not sexualization:

 

 

Sexualization:

 

 

Get the difference?

[GreyWarden_Smith]

There are also armoured male Avvar as-well similar to sky-watcher for the Jaw of Hakkon & Stone-Bear Hold

 

 

but yeah no scantily clothed females in the clan that I have witnessed during gameplay that aren't in war-paint ready for battle.

[DomeWing333]

Context is important...

-snip-

So which category does this one belong to?

 

Spoiler

[Terodil]

[snip]

Sexualization:
 

 
Get the difference?

Well I simply don't think it matters, tbh, neither for women nor men. You either like it or you don't...

Speaking of liking, I like that above armor. I don't mind the motivation for creating it at all. In fact, that model is one of the first I could actually see myself playing, considering I always play female protagonists (unless I *really* want to explore the opportunities men get in RPGs, so I did have one Maleshepard) (and provided the voice acting / convo choices are okay, obviously, I hate 'raaar smash' dudes). Dunno, do the ladies here like it?

If I could have a similar armor set for both males and females in DA:I, I would be quite happy.

 

Uuuuuuh edit: Is he actually naked? I thought that was a tight, form-fitting metal armor, but it seems that is his strangely metallic-looking skin >.> --- nah, too skimpy for me, both for males and females, disregard... (though again I wouldn't mind it being available as an option, I would simply not use it.)

[TheRatPack55]

Context is important...

 

>snip<

 

Get the difference?

 

Aaaaaaanddd... that is not exactly what I have been saying in a number of my previous posts?  Are we having a misunderstanding here? I'm confused.

[Mihura]

They didn't seem to care when making the Avvar enemy types:

 

 

I'm pretty sure that's literally body paint.

 

Yup you can see pretty well that there is nothing beneath the mud, so both genders have the same treatment when it comes to the upper body. The only thing I see here is that the male avvar are more sexualise than the female NPCs but hey with so much **** female characters get it is an welcome surprise to me.