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[jedidotflow]

What personally annoys me is the romance-gating Bioware seems to be increasingly fond of, be it either the race kind (no love for you, master dwarf!) or the sexual orientation kind (nope! straight only!).

 

BW says that to make realistic, believable characters, they need to include their sexual orientation. I can agree with this for some characters; for example Dorian would have been very hard to imagine as non-gay; his story revolves around him being homosexual, and that's good! His character was actually one of the few much-appreciated dashes of colour in an otherwise drab and uninspiring DA sequel. The problem, however, is that a- Bioware writing already fell into the [Bottomless Hole of Budget Cuts +5], so the 'solid writing' argument sounds almost unwittingly comical, and that b- it yet again restricts players in their choices without any pressing need. I feel that much could have been gained in this respect if Bioware had simply invested a little more effort (probably most cost-intensive: the VA) into making all characters available to all players (with the occasional exception where writing actually DOES require it, i.e. Dorian). I can see no compelling reason to introduce race-gating or sexual-orientation-gating for the rest, i.e. I fail to see the advantages whereas the disadvantages seem quite clear to me.

 

In this respect, that decision BW made is yet another drop in the 'pffff player choice, we got GOTY' bucket, along with the (admittedly more important) absence of 'dark side' choices, for example. And it is an example where I'd prefer less realism in favour of more player choice.

 

Meh. I think it adds to their character. It's nice to have gay, lesbian, bi, and pan characters in game. The same goes for races; since we're dealing with actually different races, it makes sense that not all would find each other attractive. If you want to romance a specific character, make a PC that's attractive to said character.

[9TailsFox]

Meh. I think it adds to their character. It's nice to have gay, lesbian, bi, and pan characters in game. The same goes for races; since we're dealing with actually different races, it makes sense that not all would find each other attractive. If you want to romance a specific character, make a PC that's attractive to said character.

We still don't have dwarf romance.  And no Fex companion furi under-represent in video games. Bioware are racist.

[Sartoz]

Alas, modding is unsupported.

 

Besides, Bio artistic agend is to remain as Lore friendly as they can be... likes and dislikes not withstanding. Skyrim is more suitable to your way of thinking. Mods there appeal to a broad type of fantasy gamers.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

Alas, modding is unsupported.

 

Besides, Bio artistic agend is to remain as Lore friendly as they can be... likes and dislikes not withstanding. Skyrim is more suitable to your way of thinking. Mods there appeal to a broad type of fantasy gamers.

 

Bioware themselves aren't even good at remaining lore-friendly, in my opinion. All dem retcons and inconsistencies!

[Fireheart]

LMFAOO omg again... I can't :') This guy is hilarious, should be a comedian.

 

Somebody, please lol, they should make some type of meme out of this guy + Cassandra. Inside joke, only known to BSNers.   

[DanteYoda]

You guys do realise that it might not be Brevnau and totally another poster with similar ideas?

 

Honestly while those pics may not be realistic i know which i'd rather be playing Dragon Age with.

 

I really miss the old style Bioware too, i really loved that werewolf quest line.

 

I find the vanilla Aela a lot more attractive than that modded abomination 

Disagree mine was modded, although different to that pic, i kinda like that pic as well though, dammit now i want to play Skyrim again thanks a lot OP....

 

Bioware themselves aren't even good at remaining lore-friendly, in my opinion. All dem retcons and inconsistencies!

Yes this is what cracks me up so much about Dragon Age Fans, Bioware can change the lore every damn game, but modders are harassed and told the LORE people wont someone think of the Lore.... hahaha what lore... Just look at Elves and Qunari then speak about your lore....

 

Bioware are the masters of modding lol...

[SomberXIII]

You guys do realise that it might not be Brevnau and totally another poster with similar ideas?

So.......Brevnau 2.0? Will do. 

[Lumix19]

You guys do realise that it might not be Brevnau and totally another poster with similar ideas?
 
Honestly while those pics may not be realistic i know which i'd rather be playing Dragon Age with.
 
I really miss the old style Bioware too, i really loved that werewolf quest line.
 

Disagree mine was modded, although different to that pic, i kinda like that pic as well though, dammit now i want to play Skyrim again thanks a lot OP....
 

Yes this is what cracks me up so much about Dragon Age Fans, Bioware can change the lore every damn game, but modders are harassed and told the LORE people wont someone think of the Lore.... hahaha what lore... Just look at Elves and Qunari then speak about your lore....
 
Bioware are the masters of modding lol...

Considering that Bioware are the creators I think your argument falls rather flat.

[Terodil]

Considering that Bioware are the creators I think your argument falls rather flat.

Eh? What are you trying to say? That since Bioware makes DA, they can mess up the lore however they want?

Well duh, yes. The fact that they can, however, neither means that they can or will make a good job of it, nor that I have to like it.

[Xetykins]

@OP. Strip Cass down to her undies and slap on a long hair, i think she's just as attractive as your fantasy pic. Have you seen how Cass walk? Seductive as hell, and I'm not even lesbian. But considering Cass is a warrior with a very high standing in the chantry, I really won't have her any other way. Just giving an unpopular opinion as a straight female gamer, so disregard this post freely.

Also, wanting a mod to tweak your LI does not make you bad. Alistair is my favourite LI in the whole series, and I still mod him from time to time. Depends totally on how I feel. It's my game and can very well do whatever I want with it! Sorry to say though that you might have to wait forever for your mod as this game is not mod friendly.

[AresKeith]

Disagree mine was modded, although different to that pic, i kinda like that pic as well though, dammit now i want to play Skyrim again thanks a lot OP....

 

Ok?

[AresKeith]

 

Also, wanting a mod to tweak your LI does not make you bad. Alistair is my favourite LI in the whole series, and I still mod him from time to time. Depends totally on how I feel. It's my game and can very well do whatever I want with it! Sorry to say though that you might have to wait forever for your mod as this game is not mod friendly.

 

That isn't the problem, the OP constantly spamming threads about it is the problem

[Xetykins]

That isn't the problem, the OP constantly spamming threads about it is the problem

Sure its the same person though? I kinda get that there's plenty of unsatisfied straight males out there about Cassandra's looks. Though, I can't for the life of me understand why.

[AresKeith]

Sure its the same person though? I kinda get that there's plenty of unsatisfied straight males out there about Cassandra's looks. Though, I can't for the life of me understand why.

 

It's the same person

[Rannik]

Everyone in this thread:

 

[Grieving Natashina]

Okay, not sure what the point of that was.  So, folks that want to turn off the helm graphics and wear otherwise practical armor are exactly the same as those that want to have a flashy style that looks like a cover of Heavy Metal magazine?  I'm a little puzzled.  

 

I'm not giving you a hard time, but I would like you to explain a little more where you are coming from.

[XMissWooX]

Yeah, I'm not really sure how wanting to see your character's face is the same as wanting to see your character's breasts.
One is often vital for basic human communication. The other is not.

[DragonRacer]

Female gamer here.

 

I prefer helmet off. Don't care that such is not realistic.

 

I don't want to see bikini armor - on women OR men. Just my preference.

 

I think Cassandra is just fine the way she is.

 

I think that covers all the bases in this thread currently?

[Rannik]

Okay, not sure what the point of that was.  So, folks that want to turn off the helm graphics and wear otherwise practical armor are exactly the same as those that want to have a flashy style that looks like a cover of Heavy Metal magazine?  I'm a little puzzled.

 
Yes, and especially when the word "realism" is thrown around.
 
Fighting in your average videogame skimpy armour  will get you killed just as easily as fighting with your head, arms, or lower shoulders exposed, people do NOT want realistic armour and weapon designs, they want a specific aesthetic happens to be closer to actual armor than a glorified metal bikini.
 
That's why you also have huge "hammers" that fail to grasp to basic concept of what a hammer is supposed to do (hint: p = F / A), completely rigid two handed "swords" that are actually metal paddles, skinny elves shooting bows (in the middle of a backflip!) that even Qunari would have a hard time drawing... and don't even get me started on the fighting styles, there's nothing more stupid than holding a greatsword like a baseball ball or trying to swinging it at a dude in full plate armour (hint: you won't do ****).
 
This debate has nothing to do with "realism", is aesthetics, nothing more.
 

One is often vital for basic human communication. The other is not.

Being alive is absolutely mandatory for human communication.

[Grieving Natashina]

I generally avoid the term "realistic" for that reason.  I prefer terms like "more grounded" or "more down-to-earth" when it comes to character design, as well for armor design.  As I've mentioned, skimpy armor (or extremely tight armor) and a more flashy over-the-top art style are just fine for some games.  Bayonetta is a good example of this.  That style and that look fit the world as well as the character.  I think that series would lose some of it's identity if it decided to take an art approach closer to DA.  I think the reverse is true as well; I feel that part of what makes up DA's identity is the art style (among many other factors,) and to take such an approach would be a disservice to the series as presented to date.

 

If someone wishes to use that style in a mod for the game, I don't care.  Some of them come off as a little stupid to me, but how someone mods and plays their single player game doesn't effect me.  Want a chainmail bikini mod for Cassandra?  I don't care.   Want to remove Dorian's mustache?  Knock yourself out.  It doesn't affect my game, and I do find it a little silly when folks take such mods like that too personally.

 

I think that BioWare going in that artistic direction would be a poor idea for this IP.  If they decide to include that Heavy Metal/JRPG art style in a different series (like whatever new IP that David Gaider is now working on,) I honestly wouldn't care then either.  If it fits the aesthetic for that game world, then that's great.   I just don't feel it would work well for Thedas. 

[XMissWooX]

Being alive is absolutely mandatory for human communication.

Ultimately, I have to make a decision - do I have my character wear a helmet, which looks more practical but obscures her face, or do I have her not wear the helmet, which looks impractical but allows me to see her face?

My call is to not wear/to hide the helmet because I find it allows me to connect to my character on an emotional level. I get to see her look sad when she is sad, angry when she is angry and happy when she is happy. Her facial expressions help bring her to life, and thus, give me a reason to care about whether she lives or dies.



I would also like to say that in games where seeing my character's face isn't very important to me (e.g. Skyrim, where I play almost exclusively in first person), I do actually have my (female) Dovahkiin decked out in full dragonscale armour, in addition to being swaddled in a heavy fur coat, scarf and hood.

[Panda]

I guess it's supposed to show how hypocritical people are for supporting their case against bikini armor with realism, when fighting without helmet isn't realistic, well it's probaply way more realistic than with bikini armor, but not 100% realistic.

 

However the difference between covering armor and no helmet is that without helmet you can see expressions on people's faces that's needed to keep story and characters intresting.

 

Also, it's not like everyone here even toggles helmets away, because I at least don't.

[Rannik]

Also, it's not like everyone here even toggles helmets away, because I at least don't.

There's no toggle in Inquisition, helmet is magically removed during cutscenes.

[Panda]

There's no toggle in Inquisition, helmet is magically removed during cutscenes.

 

There is toggle, it doesn't just affect cutscenes. That's Bioware's design decision however. Like I said, with helmets on it would be hard to show emotions and expressions which would sacrifice story and characters.

[DomeWing333]

There is toggle, it doesn't just affect cutscenes. That's Bioware's design decision however. Like I said, with helmets on it would be hard to show emotions and expressions which would sacrifice story and characters.

That's only true for helms with full masks, which the majority of helms don't have. Even Cole shows his emotions just fine despite his absurdly large hat.