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[Panda]

That's only true for helms with full masks, which the majority of helms don't have. Even Cole shows his emotions just fine despite his absurdly large hat.

 

Well seeing what helmets I used with character, majority of them were pretty covering. Venatori mask, Orleasian mask, Grey Warden mask etc, cover whole face of characters.

 

I'm saying that I don't think it's same to not have helmets on cutscenes to have bikini armor. Characters heads showing doesn't really break art style like bikini armor would if it was brought to DA universe. Those things should be reserved to more extravagant art styles as general like Final Fantasy, that hopefully also provides similar armours to male characters as well, and not to games that want to mix realism and European middle-ages with fantasy and want their art style to be somewhat seriously taken.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd prefer aesthetically pleasing armor over both skimpy armor and "realistic" armor. 

[Rannik]

Aesthetically pleasing and skimpy are not exclusive though.

[Panda]

Aesthetically pleasing and skimpy are not exclusive though.

 

Neither is realistic and aesthetically pleasing, since that can be many different things and art styles.

[FKA_Servo]

They knocked it out of the park with Cassandra. But... if we had modding support, at least then clownshoes like the OP would shut up.

[Terodil]

Neither is realistic and aesthetically pleasing, since that can be many different things and art styles.

 

Yeah. DA:I is neither though

 

Anyway, I think we can discuss without end where our individual 'sweet spots' are on the scale from full plate armor to bikini mail. I think we can all agree that more choice is better, right? I'd say that the clothing situation is not that different from the hair situation. Give us some long hair, some short hair. Give us some more 'agile' armor and some tin can armor. Not 8 buzz cuts.

[MyKingdomCold]

There are some helmets I think that would make communication difficult. Unless really close to the person you're talking to, it might be hard for them to hear you. During In Hushed Whispers for example when talking to Alexius, he'd be like, "I can't hear you!"

[Rannik]

I'm sure making an animation that removes the current helmet in "city areas" or before dialogue would be simpler than let's say... a sex scene.

[DomeWing333]

Characters heads showing doesn't really break art style like bikini armor would if it was brought to DA universe.

Would you say that Iron Bull's outfit "breaks the art style"? I think there's room for somewhat skimpier armor in DA (though certainly not to the extent of bikini armor). It just depends on the character. For a person like Cassandra, I agree that anything other than simple, functional armor would be inappropriate, but I wouldn't rule out more stylized, feminine looks for future characters.

[Winged Silver]

Would you say that Iron Bull's outfit "breaks the art style"? I think there's room for somewhat skimpier armor in DA (though certainly not to the extent of bikini armor). It just depends on the character. For a person like Cassandra, I agree that anything other than simple, functional armor would be inappropriate, but I wouldn't rule out more stylized, feminine looks for future characters.

 

This makes me think of Vivienne's armor (I think someone else mentioned it earlier).

 

I always thought her look was very elegant, showing skin but not completely breaking immersion for DA, with her being a high fashion mage of Orlais. I agree with the posters who feel that a chainmail bikini might be going a little far, but there are definitely some looks that would fit well with the established lore that bare skin (the Dalish armor is one such example that comes to mind). 

 

Anyhow, I agree with the matter of the choice itself being important. PCs should have the option to dress scantily

 

(On a slightly separate note, I always thought it was weird how mages seemed to always have sleeves and/or wrist adornments. Like wouldn't those catch on fire? Where are my sleeveless mage robes)

[Lady Artifice]

Would you say that Iron Bull's outfit "breaks the art style"? I think there's room for somewhat skimpier armor in DA (though certainly not to the extent of bikini armor). It just depends on the character. For a person like Cassandra, I agree that anything other than simple, functional armor would be inappropriate, but I wouldn't rule out more stylized, feminine looks for future characters.

 

Good point. It worked pretty well for Isabela, right? 

 

Exactly as you say. Relatively realistic and functional armor is ideal for someone as utterly practical as Cassandra, but I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for the sake of aesthetics without any qualm at all. 

[Silcron]

You should still try her romance. The scene with the poetry is unintentionally hilarious. If you haven't noticed the Inquisitor isn't holding the book. The Devilish Book of Demonic Poetry is stuck to his hand and forcing him to spout those lines. The worst part is that Cass likes that poetry so she doesn't realize what the Inq's look really means: "Help! Cass, you need to use your seeker abilities on the book! It's possesed!"

Anyway, you're not attracted to Cass? You don't find her face attractive? Well, I don't either. I don't like any of the DA:I romances because they hit the jackpot and created characters I'm not attracted to unlike Morrigan, Liara, Isabela, Kira Carsen...it also has to do with personality. I can't stand Sera, Jossie is the sweet girl who could have a crush on me and I'd friendzone at most and Cass, well she'd be a coworker. I wouldn't even try to befriend her.

So what? No romance option I'm attracted to in this game? Whoop de doo. I'm not going to rage on that. I'll get something next game and if I don't I'll just leave a suggestion. "Hey Bio, maybe next game we could have a romance option like this. I'd appreaciate a lot."

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

You should still try her romance. The scene with the poetry is unintentionally hilarious. If you haven't noticed the Inquisitor isn't holding the book. The Devilish Book of Demonic Poetry is stuck to his hand and forcing him to spout those lines. The worst part is that Cass likes that poetry so she doesn't realize what the Inq's look really means: "Help! Cass, you need to use your seeker abilities on the book! It's possesed!"

 

Reminds me of when Shepard meets with Narl and has to put his hands behind his back, and Narl just epoxies a pistol to Shepard's hand. In the future, everyone has sticky fingers.

 

So, fingers are made for clasping, yet making hands grasp things has never been Bioware's strong suit. They can do it when they need to, but often times, they won't even try. The day they grasp the concept of effort is the day their hands will actually grasp things. If only they'd kept this quote in mind during the development of DAI:

 

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."

--Ron Swanson

[FKA_Servo]

Good point. It worked pretty well for Isabela, right? 

 

Exactly as you say. Relatively realistic and functional armor is ideal for someone as utterly practical as Cassandra, but I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for the sake of aesthetics without any qualm at all. 

 

It works for Isabela and it works for Bull. What's important (to paraphrase Gaider, I think - I don't for sure remember where I read this) is that a given character looks like they dressed themselves. As opposed to, you know, being dressed by a child who wants to play with bikini barbies.

[In Exile]

Would you say that Iron Bull's outfit "breaks the art style"? I think there's room for somewhat skimpier armor in DA (though certainly not to the extent of bikini armor). It just depends on the character. For a person like Cassandra, I agree that anything other than simple, functional armor would be inappropriate, but I wouldn't rule out more stylized, feminine looks for future characters.

 

The difference is that the IB (and the Qunari post-DA:O) have a consistent look: sexy chainmaill dude bikini. If we see Qunari women in chainmail bikini's (putting everything else aside) it would be consistent with the view. But a regular woman in Thedas, chainmail bikini is very much dissonant. 

[Panda]

The difference is that the IB (and the Qunari post-DA:O) have a consistent look: sexy chainmaill dude bikini. If we see Qunari women in chainmail bikini's (putting everything else aside) it would be consistent with the view. But a regular woman in Thedas, chainmail bikini is very much dissonant. 

 

I think Iron Bull's outfit goes well with his character. Reckless and huge warrior covered with scars, little "barbaric" approach to fighting. If DAI had Cullen or Blackwall in the field topless I'd think it's 100% fanservice and it would break my immersion at least. Those moments are better reserved to romances with their characters, as with Cassandra's nudeness as well is better in romance scenes than in battlefield.

[Wulfram]

Would you say that Iron Bull's outfit "breaks the art style"?

Yes.

I can give a fair bit of leeway for light armour, but for heavy armour he's ridiculous.

[In Exile]

I think Iron Bull's outfit goes well with his character. Reckless and huge warrior covered with scars, little "barbaric" approach to fighting. If DAI had Cullen or Blackwall in the field topless I'd think it's 100% fanservice and it would break my immersion at least. Those moments are better reserved to romances with their characters, as with Cassandra's nudeness as well is better in romance scenes than in battlefield.

 

Hey, we got some naked Cullen abs & ass in that Wicked Grace game

[Iakus]

Would you say that Iron Bull's outfit "breaks the art style"

Yes.  Iron Bull's flashing his 'bosomy man-pillows" was rather eye-rolling, even if they did lampshade it a bit.

 

Fortunately I could craft armor for him which actually looked like armor.  And he only had to wear that silly "harness and one pauldron" thing around Skyhold.

[Panda]

Hey, we got some naked Cullen abs & ass in that Wicked Grace game

 

Yea, but I think that is 50% fanservice and 50% humour and fits to the scene

 

If he ever went to battle topless, I'd get worried if the lyrium withrawal made him forgot to dress up in the morning.

[KaiserShep]

Yes.  Iron Bull's flashing his 'bosomy man-pillows" was rather eye-rolling, even if they did lampshade it a bit.

 

Fortunately I could craft armor for him which actually looked like armor.  And he only had to wear that silly "harness and one pauldron" thing around Skyhold.

 

I feel compelled to give Bull a pass, mainly because he's a giant quasi-minotaur that should be more durable than your average humanoid, but also because it's not totally unheard of that warriors entered combat partially nude, albeit very rarely. To the credit of his character design, his body is also battle-scarred rather than looking totally perfect like the Spartans from 300.

 

But yeah, at least you have an option here, though I find that some of the best schematics for him have him bare-chested. Thankfully, upgrading his abilities to increase guard more than makes up for less than optimal armor mats.

[Wulfram]

A naked warrior isn't necessarily a problem. A naked warrior who is supposed to be wearing heavy armour is.

[Winged Silver]

Weren't the Qunari warriors in DA2 also relatively shirtless? The Iron Bull's armor doesn't seem to stray too far away from that depiction. Additionally, if I'm remembering correctly, the tattoos/paint the Qunari wear is meant to have specific properties, and the Iron Bull does have some tattoo/paint designs on his torso with certain armors. 

 

I do prefer his armor schematics that have him wearing solid plate, but that might just be my own bias as to what a 'proper' warrior is meant to wear, rather than making allowances that the relative lack of armor might have more to do with the in game realities. Just as well, there have been ancient societies that had warriors going into battle with relatively little armor, so it's not a complete stretch I think.

[AlanC9]

So, fingers are made for clasping, yet making hands grasp things has never been Bioware's strong suit. They can do it when they need to, but often times, they won't even try. The day they grasp the concept of effort is the day their hands will actually grasp things. If only they'd kept this quote in mind during the development of DAI:
 

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."

--Ron Swanson

OK, so what would you have cut to get gripping right?

[Wulfram]

Weren't the Qunari warriors in DA2 also relatively shirtless? The Iron Bull's armor doesn't seem to stray too far away from that depiction. Additionally, if I'm remembering correctly, the tattoos/paint the Qunari wear is meant to have specific properties, and the Iron Bull does have some tattoo/paint designs on his torso with certain armors.

Yes, DA2 Qunari equipment was silly too. But at least we weren't supposed to believe that constituted heavy armour. And you could rationalise it as a consequence of them being shipwrecked.

DA:O on the other hand talked about "Qunari warriors in glittering steel armor".