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[Winged Silver]

Yes, DA2 Qunari equipment was silly too. But at least we weren't supposed to believe that constituted heavy armour. And you could rationalise it as a consequence of them being shipwrecked.

DA:O on the other hand talked about "Qunari warriors in glittering steel armor".

 

Do you mind sharing the context of that quote? Simply because our view of the Qunari in DA:O was very limited, nor (I assume) the dev's final vision for them, so I tend to take their depiction in Origins with a grain of salt (in the sense that I wasn't surprised to see them radically changed in the later game).

 

Also, from the Dragon Age Wiki, the paint Qunari use, vitaar, has this quality: " It has been stated in the Codex entry regarding Vitaar that it hardens the skin around the face to give it a metal like quality while retaining flexibility." 

So while silly to think that paint (okay, magical paint) would actually do this, I don't view as any more silly than the blue space magic of Mass Effect

 

Relevant links

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Qunari

http://dragonage.wik...x_entry:_Vitaar

[Rannik]

Biotics used to make sense though, if you can control mass you can control gravity and everything about them was based on that premise.

 

It was just a very well established concept (eezo) plus physics, the blue space magic that came with ME2... well, that's a completely different beast.

[Wulfram]

Do you mind sharing the context of that quote? Simply because our view of the Qunari in DA:O was very limited, nor (I assume) the dev's final vision for them, so I tend to take their depiction in Origins with a grain of salt (in the sense that I wasn't surprised to see them radically changed in the later game).

Codex entry.

http://dragonage.wik..._Occupied_North

In the 30th year of the Steel Age, the first Qunari ships were sighted off the coast of Par Vollen in the far north, marking the beginning of a new age of warfare.

History calls this the First Qunari War, but it was mostly a one-sided bloodbath, with the Qunari advancing far into the mainland. Qunari warriors in glittering steel armor carved through armies with ease. Their cannons, the likes of which our ancestors had never seen, reduced city walls to rubble in a matter of seconds.

[In Exile]

The answer to that might be that Qunari sailors and mercenaries don't get the armour swag.

[Winged Silver]

Codex entry.

http://dragonage.wik..._Occupied_North

In the 30th year of the Steel Age, the first Qunari ships were sighted off the coast of Par Vollen in the far north, marking the beginning of a new age of warfare.

History calls this the First Qunari War, but it was mostly a one-sided bloodbath, with the Qunari advancing far into the mainland. Qunari warriors in glittering steel armor carved through armies with ease. Their cannons, the likes of which our ancestors had never seen, reduced city walls to rubble in a matter of seconds.

 

Thanks I guess different kinds of armors for different positions. Perhaps IB's role in the Ben-Hassrath affected what he wore (I would think heavy plate armor would be more intimidating than a harness and Vitaar).

[AlanC9]

Biotics used to make sense though, if you can control mass you can control gravity and everything about them was based on that premise.

 

Well, except for the weird mind-meld stuff that asari could always do. But maybe that's not biotics per se.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Iron Bull has a party banter about the armor. Apparently the Qunari only wear armor when they think they are at war. 

[Shechinah]

Do we know much about the climate in Qun-territories?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Would you say that Iron Bull's outfit "breaks the art style"? I think there's room for somewhat skimpier armor in DA (though certainly not to the extent of bikini armor). It just depends on the character. For a person like Cassandra, I agree that anything other than simple, functional armor would be inappropriate, but I wouldn't rule out more stylized, feminine looks for future characters.

Absolutely his armor breaks the art style. Especially since they also have him basically bash and insult the aesthetically pleasing and/or skimpy armor styles and those who like it, despite the fact he runs around on the battlefield topless. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Do we know much about the climate in Qun-territories?

It's tropical. Par Vollen has rain forests. 

[SnakeCode]

The difference is that the IB (and the Qunari post-DA:O) have a consistent look: sexy chainmaill dude bikini. If we see Qunari women in chainmail bikini's (putting everything else aside) it would be consistent with the view. But a regular woman in Thedas, chainmail bikini is very much dissonant. 

 

You can all but guarantee though that when female Qunari are (finally) introduced as regular characters that they won't be topless or scantily clad like the male Qunari are. It's not a question of consistency, it's that the fanbase react differently to scantily clad men than they do to scantily clad women. One is deemed offensive, the other is not.

[In Exile]

You can all but guarantee though that when female Qunari are (finally) introduced as regular characters that they won't be topless or scantily clad like the male Qunari are. It's not a question of consistency, it's that the fanbase react differently to scantily clad men than they do to scantily clad women. One is deemed offensive, the other is not.

I don't see why we would assume that given Vivene's default low-cut outfit or Isabella's outfit that we wouldn't see equivalently scantly clad women. I say "equivalently" because they obviously won't be topless but that's because IRL topless dudes aren't considered on the same plane as topless women. But we could easily see tight fitting, low cut, mid-riff-revealing tops. 

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

OK, so what would you have cut to get gripping right?

 

How 'bout all the unnecessary crap. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )

[Terodil]

I don't see why we would assume that given Vivene's default low-cut outfit or Isabella's outfit that we wouldn't see equivalently scantly clad women. I say "equivalently" because they obviously won't be topless but that's because IRL topless dudes aren't considered on the same plane as topless women. But we could easily see tight fitting, low cut, mid-riff-revealing tops. 

 

<in HK voice>

 

Statement of opinion: I would hope so.

 

Conjecture: I think Bioware has '(d)evolved' past that though. I can virtually see the shitstorm that would be kicked up if we ever got an outfit like Isabela's again. 'Pandering to the straight male gamer' would be the least of the allegations.

[DomeWing333]

I don't see why we would assume that given Vivene's default low-cut outfit or Isabella's outfit that we wouldn't see equivalently scantly clad women. I say "equivalently" because they obviously won't be topless but that's because IRL topless dudes aren't considered on the same plane as topless women.

In real life, no. In Fereldan and Orlais, no. But among the Qunari and other cultures? I wouldn't be surprised. For instance, if we ever encounter an aqun-athlok in game, I would expect her to be dressed exactly like others in her role.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

You can all but guarantee though that when female Qunari are (finally) introduced as regular characters that they won't be topless or scantily clad like the male Qunari are. It's not a question of consistency, it's that the fanbase react differently to scantily clad men than they do to scantily clad women. One is deemed offensive, the other is not.

 

I dunno, Bull's gross moobs and beer gut offended my eyes a tad. (And his sh!tty fashion sense, especially compared to the nice outfits of the much better-looking DA2 Qunari.) Not to mention, I don't recall a moment in DAI where the Qunari Inquisitor had the chance to dress like an actual Qunari. I'm sure the females' outfits will reflect their concept art, just as the DA2 males' did.

[Panda]

I doubt Bioware will show steel bikinis for female Qunaris. I'm quite doubtful Bioware will even show much of Qunaris in the future, since only Qunari apart from PC we saw in DAI was Iron Bull. There were no other Qunari in the game. What I think Bioware will show for Qunaris females outfits is something close to their previous art work:

 

 

 

However since Bioware seem to have changed Qunari design quite lot for DAI, I'm not sure what new Qunari would look. Body proportions for example seem to be different for Qunaris comparing to DAI and DA2 and faces as well. It can be positive thing though, since concept art Qunari female seems much closer to human female than her counterpart when in DAI both seem to be equally far from humans, which is positive thing in my opinion. I wonder how it translates to DA4 though and whole Qunari design, will they keep changing it up like in they did in previous games or did they finally find their Qunari style with DAI. And I wonder how this affects outfits as well or will it affect them.

[BraveVesperia]

You can all but guarantee though that when female Qunari are (finally) introduced as regular characters that they won't be topless or scantily clad like the male Qunari are. It's not a question of consistency, it's that the fanbase react differently to scantily clad men than they do to scantily clad women. One is deemed offensive, the other is not.

Perhaps because in plenty of societies, people will see a topless man outside and think "maybe it's hot outside" or even just "seriously dude?" Meanwhile seeing a topless woman outside and it's "call the police, it's public indecency". Thedas doesn't seem any different, since Isabela gets frap for having a skimpy outfit. Morrigan too (her 'covered in eels' banter with Sten). I haven't noticed any similar ones about topless men (like Bull).

 

Maybe if topless women wasn't treated like nudity and sexual irl, there wouldn't be such a big deal about it in games/TV/films. Same goes with 'near nudity' (e.g. a breast strap/bikini top).

[Panda]

Perhaps because in plenty of societies, people will see a topless man outside and think "maybe it's hot outside" or even just "seriously dude?" Meanwhile seeing a topless woman outside and it's "call the police, it's public indecency". Thedas doesn't seem any different, since Isabela gets frap for having a skimpy outfit. Morrigan too (her 'covered in eels' banter with Sten). I haven't noticed any similar ones about topless men (like Bull).

 

Maybe if topless women wasn't treated like nudity and sexual irl, there wouldn't be such a big deal about it in games/TV/films. Same goes with 'near nudity' (e.g. a breast strap/bikini top).

 

It's also noticeable that often muscular man without shirt is made for male audience and not for female audience, since it can be more about masculine power fantasy than sexual fantasy of straight women. Though it can be also both and it's not always easy to say which it is if product isn't clearly meant for one gender over another.

 

EDIT: Straightforward example of what I'm talking about, both have same actor.

 

- Masculine power fantasy for male audience.

 

 

- Sexual? (or maybe more romantic) fantasy for female audience.

 

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[xkg]

It's also noticeable that often muscular man without shirt is made for male audience and not for female audience, since it can be more about masculine power fantasy than sexual fantasy of straight women. Though it can be also both and it's not always easy to say which it is if product isn't clearly meant for one gender over another.

 

Often bikini wearing women is made for female not male audience

 

 

 

So what is your point exactly. You sound very suspiciously close to that laughable propaganda of this one particular group:

 

 

masculine power fantasy than sexual fantasy of straight women

 

at 5:00

https://youtu.be/qbGQuYvgENw?t=304

 

Haha sounds familiar?

[Terodil]

It's also noticeable that often muscular man without shirt is made for male audience and not for female audience, since it can be more about masculine power fantasy than sexual fantasy of straight women.

Dunno. I'm pretty certain I'm further away from what is generally considered 'the typical man' than most. That said, I can't stand Rambo-types. I don't identify with them, I don't feel a 'power fantasy', and I don't find them attractive either. They are one of the reasons why I generally don't watch Rambo-esque movies or why I never play a male protagonist in games that allow me to pick a female one.

I do not, however, feel the need to run around and clamor for getting such stuff (morally) banned 'because sexist' or 'because indecent' or whatever other ridiculous argument pops up in such discussions. In fact, I don't begrudge men the option to enjoy a '(power) fantasy' (any kind of fantasy) or straight women or gay men to simply enjoy the looks of them. Quite the contrary, they should be able to do so and if games don't offer such choices they are the lesser for it, imo. The same applies for women too. Women should be able to enjoy their (power) fantasies, and straight men or homosexual women to enjoy the looks of them. I'll never stop railing against sexism that tries to paint choice as something inherently evil because it is 'wrong', 'sexist', 'indecent', yadda yadda, see above.

By way of example, I'll explode both at men laughing at Isabela and calling her '****' (wha? so she likes being promiscuous, if she were a man you'd congratulate him for being such a 'stud', congrats for having shitty double standards) and at women rolling their eyes and calling her **** or a 'sexist 16-yo-boy-fantasy' (wha? so you don't like her clothing and sexual potential? guess what, some women do, who are you to tell them how to behave. I thought you were fighting for women to make their own choices. But apparently they're only allowed as long as they conform to *your* standards). Sigh. Happens in MMOs all the time too. If there was one word that should earn people an auto-fist-to-the-face then it is the word 's-l-u-t'. *rages*

[xkg]

Please stop posting images.

 

 

Unless you consider this widely available magazine's cover to be an adult content then ... bolded part:

 

http://forum.bioware...c/3-site-rules/

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[Panda]

Often bikini wearing women is made for female not male audience

 

<snip>

 

 

So what is your point exactly. You sound very suspiciously close to that laughable propaganda of this one particular group:

 

at 5:00

https://youtu.be/qbGQuYvgENw?t=304

 

Haha sounds familiar?

 

I pointed out that male character can be topless and muscular for male audience as well as female audience, this happens in superhero comics, games, shonen anime/manga, action movies etc. I haven't really seen female nudity used similarly though in popular media. I guess bikini fitness still might be form of power fantasy for women though, idk not really popular with it.

 

Should I be suprised that some person who sees themselves as feminist has similar views as I have?

 

Dunno. I'm pretty certain I'm further away from what is generally considered 'the typical man' than most. That said, I can't stand Rambo-types. I don't identify with them, I don't feel a 'power fantasy', and I don't find them attractive either. They are one of the reasons why I generally don't watch Rambo-esque movies or why I never play a male protagonist in games that allow me to pick a female one.

I do not, however, feel the need to run around and clamor for getting such stuff (morally) banned 'because sexist' or 'because indecent' or whatever other ridiculous argument pops up in such discussions. In fact, I don't begrudge men the option to enjoy a '(power) fantasy' (any kind of fantasy) or straight women or gay men to simply enjoy the looks of them. Quite the contrary, they should be able to do so and if games don't offer such choices they are the lesser for it, imo. The same applies for women too. Women should be able to enjoy their (power) fantasies, and straight men or homosexual women to enjoy the looks of them. I'll never stop railing against sexism that tries to paint choice as something inherently evil because it is 'wrong', 'sexist', 'indecent', yadda yadda, see above.

 

Ideal situation would be where power fantasies and sexual fantasies meet I guess, but that seems to be hard to achieve in way that everyone is satisfied. You see, Cassandra is power fantasy to me, but many feel like that she isn't enough sexual fantasy for  them the way she is and want to Bioware to not make characters like her so that they could have their sexual fantasies (well sexual fantasy can be bit strong here, but just think it as attractive female character). Truthfully, I doubt any art take of any character could satisfy everyone in terms of different fantasies ^^;