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[Abyss108]

So... What's the actual difference between a graveyard and burial ground?

 

I just googled it and got...

 

 

 

burial ground

noun 

1.

a graveyard or cemetery

 

[ZeroMystic]

So... What's the actual difference between a graveyard and burial ground

A graveyard actually has things burried in it, a burial ground does not. So if there's nothing buried there, then it's not a graveyard.
In mythology, a burial ground has mystical powers which allows certain rituals to be performed on.
A lot of cultures hold a burial ground sacred, and a graveyard nothing but a final resting place.

[Abyss108]

A graveyard actually has things burried in it, a burial ground does not. So if there's nothing buried there, then it's not a graveyard.
In mythology, a burial ground has mystical powers which allows certain rituals to be performed on.
A lot of cultures hold a burial ground sacred, and a graveyard nothing but a final resting place.

 

Got a link to that definition? Every dictionary I've check says a burial ground is land for burying the dead, and that's the commonly used definition of the word too. It's kinda right there in the name.

 

http://dictionary.re...e/burial ground

[Digger1967]

Burial ground and graveyard are not the same thing. It's like saying a tomb and a grave are the same thing. The quest text should have the word burial ground because that's where the tomb actually is, and that's where you're supposed to go.

There is a reason why maps and directions for those maps are precise in what they're talking about. If the directions say stream, then it doesn't mean river.

People can go back and forth arguing about how river and stream are the same in the same way they're arguing how burial ground and graveyard the same, but in the end these are text directions to an area on a map, and the text specifically stated graveyard not burial ground.

Whomever in BIOWARE wrote the directions for the burial ground tomb part of this quest, has absolutely no idea how to read a map as well as the importance of using the exact names of the places in the quest text for that map. Anyone that seriously thinks and or tries to say or argue on how there is nothing wrong with the way this quest is explained, not only doesn't know how to read a map, but doesn't know how to follow directions either.

If the quest text for a map uses the phrase go find the graveyard tomb's treasure, then that means the tomb is in an actual graveyard. Not something similar, not something that is kind of this same, not something that represents a graveyard, but an actual graveyard.

 

Just curious, have you ever seen maps from the medevil time period?  Precise is hardly a word that could be used to describe them.  There are a lot of maps, for example, that show California as an island - because it was pretty common practice at the time for map makers to use other maps as reference material, and if the first map was flawed, well those flaws would show up in the next map as well.

 

Also keep in mind that your looking at the possibility of a map maker that speaks one language using a map written in a different language as source material.  Translations can often be very imprecise, because sometimes a word in one language might have slightly different connotations or meanings than they do i another language.  For example, the words "brother" and "sister" in the modern english language have some pretty specific meanings, however in ancient Aramaic and Hebrew they are not nearly so precise, they can and were often used to refer to not so distant relatives like cousins.  

 

Personally I'd suggest Bioware leave it as it is, it adds more color to the game.  YMMV of course.

[Panda]

That's not my take on real patch, though I hope that Bioware does make a real patch. DAI still is so buggy and lot of things should be fixed.

[Shechinah]

The definitions I have come across seem to support burial grounds as, well, being places where people can be buried: "a tract of land for burial of the dead, often a small or primitive one" meaning it is not a term used only in the case of people laid to rest above ground. It should be noted that it seems to differ from culture to culture, time to time and language to language in some cases as I found it seemingly said burial grounds had the meaning of being a place for the unbaptised. That said, this is something that has create several discussions online. "Graveyard" and "cemetary" is also discussed.

 

In other news: Your ashes can be legally used to create a firework display in certain countries.  

[lynroy]

Burial ground and graveyard are not the same thing. It's like saying a tomb and a grave are the same thing. The quest text should have the word burial ground because that's where the tomb actually is, and that's where you're supposed to go.

There is a reason why maps and directions for those maps are precise in what they're talking about. If the directions say stream, then it doesn't mean river.

People can go back and forth arguing about how river and stream are the same in the same way they're arguing how burial ground and graveyard the same, but in the end these are text directions to an area on a map, and the text specifically stated graveyard not burial ground.

Whomever in BIOWARE wrote the directions for the burial ground tomb part of this quest, has absolutely no idea how to read a map as well as the importance of using the exact names of the places in the quest text for that map. Anyone that seriously thinks and or tries to say or argue on how there is nothing wrong with the way this quest is explained, not only doesn't know how to read a map, but doesn't know how to follow directions either.

If the quest text for a map uses the phrase go find the graveyard tomb's treasure, then that means the tomb is in an actual graveyard. Not something similar, not something that is kind of this same, not something that represents a graveyard, but an actual graveyard.

Tomb and grave are near enough to the same meaning that if a quest sent me looking for a grave and I find myself in front of a tomb, I'd figure out "Hey, this is the place.". Let me remind you of what a synonym is. A synonym is word that has the same meaning or near the same meaning as another word.

It's funny that EVERYONE else was able to figure this out, read the map, and find the location. Synonym. Learn it. Love it.

 

A graveyard actually has things burried in it, a burial ground does not. So if there's nothing buried there, then it's not a graveyard.
In mythology, a burial ground has mystical powers which allows certain rituals to be performed on.
A lot of cultures hold a burial ground sacred, and a graveyard nothing but a final resting place.

I have no idea what world you live in where a BURIAL GROUND is not a...well, burial ground.  
The difference between Graveyard and Burial Ground is how they are spelled
G-R-A-V-E-Y-A-R-D
Burial Ground has more letters:
B-U-R-I-A-L G-R-O-U-N-D

Synonyms are a beautiful thing.

[lynroy]

In other news: Your ashes can be legally used to create a firework display in certain countries.  

So I really can go out with a bang? Hell yeah!

[lynroy]

 

This is fun 

I admit to enjoying it way more than I should.
 

I missed you, ZeroMystic!  Your topics always brighten my day!

Same here.

[SofaJockey]

Has anyone else noticed that a tutorial card has been added to the war table the first time you use it?

 

Perhaps in a recent patch and also perhaps in response to threads like this one? 

 

[BansheeOwnage]

Anyone that seriously thinks and or tries to say or argue on how there is nothing wrong with the way this quest is explained, not only doesn't know how to read a map, but doesn't know how to follow directions either.

Explain please, because I was able to find it. In fact, I've even found all of the treasure map loot as well. Those barely have any directions at all! I literally had to read maps!

[AlanC9]

A graveyard actually has things burried in it, a burial ground does not. So if there's nothing buried there, then it's not a graveyard.
In mythology, a burial ground has mystical powers which allows certain rituals to be performed on.
A lot of cultures hold a burial ground sacred, and a graveyard nothing but a final resting place.

We're talking about standard English usage, where there is no difference.

Is English not your first language, perhaps?

[Syre297]

 

It had to be done. 

[Shechinah]

It is always enjoyable to see the journey a thread can undergo and what the end result will be. In this case, it has blossomed into a lovely discussion about language.

[uzivatel]

BSN keeps delivering.

[ZeroMystic]

You're all trying to argue petty differences and then trying to say they're facts. The bottom line comes down to this, the place the quest text says to go, and the place on the map are inconsistent with each other. Either the map should have the word graveyard on it, or the quest text should have burial ground in it. If the quest text uses the word graveyard, then it's not relevant if you find a burial ground, because the quest text specifically uses the word graveyard not burial ground.

This is exactly like trying to use the word bookseller in the specialization quest. They can't put the word bookseller above the merchants name Val Royeaux, but can put bookseller above the merchants name in Redcliff village (Dwarven Bookseller).

I can easily argue that a tomb and a cave are the same thing because they both have the same symbol representing them on the map.

[BansheeOwnage]

You're all trying to argue petty differences and then trying to say they're facts.

That's exactly right. They are petty differences. We're saying they're synonymous, and you should be able to understand the meaning with either phrasing.

[ZeroMystic]

That's exactly right. They are petty differences. We're saying they're synonymous, and you should be able to understand the meaning with either phrasing.

This isn't about if people think they're similar, this is about what the quest text says, does the quest text use graveyard, or burial ground? Both the area on the map, and the quest text are inconsistent with each other. You're being instructed to go a graveyard which is a non-existent area on the map. If there is no place titled graveyard on the map, then the word graveyard should not be in the quest text for any reason.

It's exactly like saying stream and river are the same thing. If the quest text says stream people say oh I just went to the river because stream and river are synonyms. No, no, no! If it says stream it means stream. Not something similar to it, not something that represents it. So, if there's no stream on the map, but there is a river, then the quest text is telling you to go to a non-existent place on the map.

[Lady Artifice]

Ladies and Gentlemen, the most literal person in the world. 

[ZeroMystic]

Ladies and Gentlemen, the most literal person in the world.

It's called following directions as written instead of just doing whatever you feel like, and then trying to argue why you did it. The fact is everybody arguing against this, did not follow the directions, because the directions use the word graveyard. Going anyplace else, means you didn't follow directions, and just did whatever you wanted to.

[BansheeOwnage]

This isn't about if people think they're similar, this is about what the quest text says, does the quest text use graveyard, or burial ground? Both the area on the map, and the quest text are inconsistent with each other. You're being instructed to go a graveyard which is a non-existent area on the map. If there is no place titled graveyard on the map, then the word graveyard should not be in the quest text for any reason.

It's exactly like saying stream and river are the same thing. If the quest text says stream people say oh I just went to the river because stream and river are synonyms. No, no, no! If it says stream it means stream. Not something similar to it, not something that represents it. So, if there's no stream on the map, but there is a river, then the quest text is telling you to go to a non-existent place on the map.

You could interpret it a different way: Instead of assuming the quest is telling you which area of the map to go to by name, what if it's simply describing where you need to go? That way, it's not actually inconsistent. In addition, you can't see which area of the map is which when looking at it, only when you enter said area (which I find annoying). So, unless you've been there before and remember the name and where it is, it doesn't matter. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the quest give you a quest-marker in the place you need to go anyway? Why do you even need a description?

[AresKeith]

dafuq am I reading?

[BansheeOwnage]

It's called following directions as written instead of just doing whatever you feel like, and then trying to argue why you did it. The fact is everybody arguing against this, did not follow the directions, because the directions use the word graveyard. Going anyplace else, means you didn't follow directions, and just did whatever you wanted to.

And what's wrong with doing whatever we feel like in our little single-player game? You play your way, I'll play mine.