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[ZeroMystic]

[quote name="BansheeOwnage" post="18967473" timestamp="1428812572"]And what's wrong with doing whatever we feel like in our little single-player game? You play your way, I'll play mine.[/quote
How someone chooses to play the game, has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

This is about following what the directions say. If the quest uses the word graveyard, then that means it is specifically instructing the player to go to an actual area on the map titled graveyard not something like it.

[Lady Artifice]

It's called following directions as written instead of just doing whatever you feel like, and then trying to argue why you did it. The fact is everybody arguing against this, did not follow the directions, because the directions use the word graveyard. Going anyplace else, means you didn't follow directions, and just did whatever you wanted to.

 

Or, alternatively, it's being adaptable and using critical thinking skills.

[AresKeith]

Or, alternatively, it's being adaptable and using critical thinking skills.

 

Get your logic outta here

[Cespar]

Or, alternatively, it's being adaptable and using critical thinking skills.

He made a whole youtube video about this "issue." A couple of minutes later, his account was shut down. 

[jedidotflow]

Sorry pal, but it doesn't matter if you think burial ground = graveyard. The quest specifically uses the word "graveyard" not burial ground. So This means you're supposed to look for an area on that map labeled "Graveyard".

If you're boss asked you to bring him a pen, you would bring a pencil and then argue how a pen and pencil are the same thing because they can both write, totally ignoring that you're boss asked you to bring him a pen.

 

But pen and pencil are not synonyms...

[Grieving Natashina]

Yeah... I don't think the creators of "Dumb and Dumber" were too happy.. copyright laws, and what not.

Wait, what's this now?  

[TaHol]

You're all trying to argue petty differences and then trying to say they're facts.

 

[BansheeOwnage]

 

And what's wrong with doing whatever we feel like in our little single-player game? You play your way, I'll play mine.

1. How someone chooses to play the game, has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

2. This is about following what the directions say. If the quest uses the word graveyard, then that means it is specifically instructing the player to go to an actual area on the map titled graveyard not something like it.

 

1. You said:

It's called following directions as written instead of just doing whatever you feel like

To me, that sounds like you're implying your way is the "proper way" and we should all do the same thing. How else am I supposed to interpret that? If you didn't mean what I thought, why say it in the first place?

 

2. You apparently did not read my other post. If the quest uses the word "graveyard", it does not mean that it is telling the player to go to an actual area called "Graveyard", only that you have to go to an actual graveyard on the map somewhere. Just like how you can follow treasure maps to a "waterfall" even though there is no area on the map called "Waterfall".

[Sartoz]

Bioware Games are too hard to learn.

 

source: http://www.gameskinn...es-are-too-hard

[LonewandererD]

^And unfortunately its threads like these that lend credence to such articles

 

-D-

[AmberDragon]

This isn't about if people think they're similar, this is about what the quest text says, does the quest text use graveyard, or burial ground? Both the area on the map, and the quest text are inconsistent with each other. You're being instructed to go a graveyard which is a non-existent area on the map. If there is no place titled graveyard on the map, then the word graveyard should not be in the quest text for any reason.

It's exactly like saying stream and river are the same thing. If the quest text says stream people say oh I just went to the river because stream and river are synonyms. No, no, no! If it says stream it means stream. Not something similar to it, not something that represents it. So, if there's no stream on the map, but there is a river, then the quest text is telling you to go to a non-existent place on the map.

Really?  You must find life in the real world very difficult and you very obviously don't read many maps. The FACT is no one else has any problem understanding and following the instructions in the game. We all manage to understand that in English a graveyard and a burial ground can be the same thing, we all understand that a schematic is a plan for creating armour, runes or weapons, and we all manage to find the booksellers. People often use synonyms in real life, some are even regional, get used to it!

 

I am personally still waiting for you to answer a question someone asked you in one of your other threads, what games out there give you as exacting instructions and hold your hand as much as you are stating this one should?  

 

I can't decide if you are very young (as in way under the recommended age for this game), if you have some sort of learning or developmental difficulty, or if you are just trolling. Whatever the problem is people like you are the reason EA thinks all games should be dumbed down, do us all a favour please put this game down, go exchange it for something you like better or that holds your hand every tiny step because we really don't want Dragon Age to be dumbed down any further than it already has been!  Nothing in the OP needs to be or should be changed, with the exception of possibly your stealth problem, which I have never seen in several playthroughs as a rogue when I used stealth.

[ZeroMystic]

Or, alternatively, it's being adaptable and using critical thinking skills.

You and everyone else can save that line of critical thinking crap for your lectures on work.
I got news for people, this is a game, not work. If you want critical thinking, then go to school.

If this was on a test, you all would fail miserably because no real world official map in existence, will ever, ever, have anything on it that says one thing while meaning something synonymous. Where do you people get that crap from?

If a map uses the word "trail" it's not asking what you think trail means, and trail does not mean path, dirt road, or anything else that might come close to what it could be. If it says trail and there isn't one, then the direction using trail is 100% wrong and only someone who doesn't know how to follow directions would go to a place that's kind of the same. Arguing against that means you don't have a clue on how to read a map correctly Real maps are made by people who know to say and use exactly what they say.

Fact is that the directions say graveyard and there isn't one.

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 12 avril 2015 - 01:05 .

[BountyhunterGER]

*tries to find a graveyard*

 

Well, this looks like a graveyard.

 

*reads that it's a burial ground*

 

This can't be the right place! Bioware patch this!

 

(This thread and every thread the OP has opened and will open make me laugh, hah!)

[LonewandererD]

Go to school, maybe you should then you'd find the terminology of this game far less frustrating. I don't mean to attack but seriously guy you just nitpicking at this point, these aren't really a problem (certainly nowhere of significance of things to be patched) but if you're so offended by it have you considered a thesaurus?

 

-D-

[Sartoz]

You and everyone else can save that line of critical thinking crap for your lectures on work.
I got news for people, this is a game, not work. If you want critical thinking, then go to school.

 

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So, are you saying that Richard Hilleman,  EA's Chief Creative Officer, is right when he says

"We've asked for too much time, too much skill, too much money"

 

Date of article: 25 Sep 2013

source: http://www.gamesindu...-too-much-money

 

 

 

An interesting  statistic from Hilleman.  "85 percent of the people who play games never play a console."

 

Date of article: 3/7/2014

source: http://kotaku.com/su...t-ea-1538708191

 

 

 

On learning games

 

Date of article: Feb 6, 2015

http://www.mcvuk.com...o-learn/0144855

[ZeroMystic]

Fact 1:
The quest text uses the word graveyard, which means there is an area titled "Graveyard" somewhere on that map.

Fact 2:
There is no graveyard in the Hissing Wastes.

Fact 3:
The quest text is 100% incorrect due to using a non-existent place.

Fact 4:
In order for the quest text to be correct, it must use burial ground because that's the actual name of the area it's in.

Fact 5:
Games are not work, nor are they school. So qoute all the sources you want about that, none of them will ever be correct as soon as anything work/school related gets applied, it's no longer a game.

If you all love work, that's perfectly fine, but pay for a game to actually play it, not have to learn how to play it by doing tons and tons of outside research and thinking. If I wanted to do research and thinking, I would pay for classes and go to school where that applies.

Apparently gamers seem to think games are supposed to be work and that's sad.

[LonewandererD]

Where in the game has it irrefutably stated that what is said in the journal has to be perfectly word-for-word represented on the map. I have gone to many places named in the journal and not named on the map, I am directed to a stable that is not marked as stables on the map, someone tells me to go to Cassandra's quarters and I found my way there without any signage. I have attended many missions in which to judge prisoner without once noticing that there seems to be no "throne" written on the map.

 

If you know enough to be able to find the graveyard and not mark it as such (by the way graveyards take on many different appearances [like my mother's grave] and there is one in the hissing wastes) then you obviously where able to find it and since no one else has pointed out this so called problem it can hardly be called a problem as such. I laugh at the notion that you seem to try and "educate" Bioware on mistake in the usage of words and yet scoff at the idea that other educated individuals are able to show how such a correction is not needed.

 

Fact 1: Only you seem to find it a problem

 

Fact 2: You were able to find it anyway

 

Fact 3: No one else has this problem

 

Fact 4: Bioware hardly frequents these forums anymore

 

Fact 5: The "point" to this thread is questionable beyond nit picking

 

-D-

[BountyhunterGER]

Apparently gamers seem to think games are supposed to be work and that's sad.

[Monster20862]

Bioware needs to listen to everything I say and do everything I tell them to do for I am the god of reason and none shall defy me.

[Shechinah]

It may be different in other countries and cultures but where I'm from, we are taught to, amongst other things, research and apply thinking to what we do and how we do it because after leaving school we are expected to use it in our daily lives regardless of our pursuit in careers. 

[Monster20862]

It may be different in other countries and cultures but where I'm from, we are taught to, amongst other things, research and apply thinking to what we do and how we do it because after leaving school we are expected to use it in our daily lives regardless of our pursuit in careers.

So you're expected to think? That's so weird. Culture shock!