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[ZeroMystic]

Sorry if people don't get the problem with directions for a place on a map, not having the actual name of the place used on the map in the directions. But if people here are so in love with school and work so much, to the point they're actually trying to apply that to games where it doesn't belong, and then actually saying games are work and scool, then anyone who thinks that way, should either be in school or at work applying that process where it belongs, instead of on a game forum trying to apply it where it doesnt belong.

Unless this is work or school (Which its not), then comments such as "figure it out", or that use the word "thinking" have no acknowledgemen to me because they don't belong attched to games, want to pull that crap then I go to school and or work where it belongs.

[Shechinah]

Depending on which of the Mario games you play, applying thought would significantly benefit your play.

 

I remember when I was a kid and playing an old Wario game, I would use a jet hat to fight the end-boss genie because it benefited me in the fight. Granted, that was not the case and was done to make the battle easier but it was still a sort of thinking.

[LonewandererD]

Sir, I am still trying to grasp why this is such a problem here. My brother with autism is able to just skip through the game completing all quests without trouble and was very easily able to find the graveyard without it having to be marked "graveyard" on the map. I phrase this problem to him and his answer was "I fail to see the problem, burial ground and graveyard are the same thing".

 

Also, thinking can be a huge part of video games, are you aware of the whole strategy and puzzle genre?

 

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[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

It's clear to me now that the OP isn't actually serious. He's a Bethesda staffer attempting to coax a rival developer into dumbing down their games even further so that Bethesda games can come off as highly sophisticated by comparison. A clever tactic sir, I salute you.

[LonewandererD]

^Such evil genius!

 

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[ZeroMystic]

Wow, and I though the fact that the game crashes 90% of the time it starts a cut scene or brings up the dialog wheel was something worth being frustrated about. But, you are right, this is a pretty big deal.

There is only .1% of actual crashes due to bad programming.
99.9% of game crashes are proven to be user error due to attempting to run the game at settings their comp can't handle and running mods and other programs in the bavkground. And then pthose people actually argue about how they have all this high end hardware, because they don't get it, then they argue about that as well. Well if they really knew what they were talking about, then their game wouldn't be crashing. They even argue against that too. So there is no talking to them.

So turn the settings down, quit running crap in the background, or continue deal ingwith the game crashing. My game plays fine because I know my computers limits. Try doing the same instead of arguing invalid points like you and others probably will.

[LonewandererD]

So how do you explain the games crashing on consoles? Or the massive, well documented bugs and game glitches that the devs are properly spending their time patching?

 

-D-

[Monster20862]

Wow, and I though the fact that the game crashes 90% of the time it starts a cut scene or brings up the dialog wheel was something worth being frustrated about. But, you are right, this is a pretty big deal.

Is that you John Wayne?

[Winged Silver]

If you all love work, that's perfectly fine, but pay for a game to actually play it, not have to learn how to play it by doing tons and tons of outside research and thinking. If I wanted to do research and thinking, I would pay for classes and go to school where that applies.

Apparently gamers seem to think games are supposed to be work and that's sad.

 

You seem to be the only one who's had to do 'tons and tons of outside research'. The majority of the populace seems to have had little to no difficulty in reasoning that a graveyard and a burial ground are more or less the same thing. 

 

And...thinking. Really? What games do you play that don't require at least some form of thinking? I mean, I doubt there's many games out there that have you doing calculus for points, but most games do require at least some form of mental reasoning. Like...if you're not thinking, you're sleeping. 

[AmberDragon]

Sorry if people don't get the problem with directions for a place on a map, not having the actual name of the place used on the map in the directions. But if people here are so in love with school and work so much, to the point they're actually trying to apply that to games where it doesn't belong, and then actually saying games are work and scool, then anyone who thinks that way, should either be in school or at work applying that process where it belongs, instead of on a game forum trying to apply it where it doesnt belong.

Unless this is work or school (Which its not), then comments such as "figure it out", or that use the word "thinking" have no acknowledgemen to me because they don't belong attched to games, want to pull that crap then I go to school and or work where it belongs.

OK YOU are definitely a troll! Name the games that you usually play that require no thought at all and have the extremely high amount of hand holding that you demand. Go on list them please, it is very obvious that none of them are rpg's or action/adventure type games at all even ones made for little kids require thought and some amount of reasoning ability. You certainly shouldn't be trying to play rpg's which are designed for adults and have a pegi rating of 18.

[Digger1967]

Fact 1:
The quest text uses the word graveyard, which means there is an area titled "Graveyard" somewhere on that map.

Fact 2:
There is no graveyard in the Hissing Wastes.

Fact 3:
The quest text is 100% incorrect due to using a non-existent place.

Fact 4:
In order for the quest text to be correct, it must use burial ground because that's the actual name of the area it's in.

Fact 5:
Games are not work, nor are they school. So qoute all the sources you want about that, none of them will ever be correct as soon as anything work/school related gets applied, it's no longer a game.

If you all love work, that's perfectly fine, but pay for a game to actually play it, not have to learn how to play it by doing tons and tons of outside research and thinking. If I wanted to do research and thinking, I would pay for classes and go to school where that applies.

Apparently gamers seem to think games are supposed to be work and that's sad.

 

Ok, so lets try this - you obviously now know that when the quest refers to a graveyard they are actually talking about the area of the map called burial ground.  Since obviously the vast majority of the people playing the game didn't have nearly as much difficulty as you did in working their way through this, what logical reason would BW have for releasing a patch to fix this since, it doesn't appear to be an issue to anyone other than yourself?

[Digger1967]

You're all trying to argue petty differences and then trying to say they're facts. The bottom line comes down to this, the place the quest text says to go, and the place on the map are inconsistent with each other. Either the map should have the word graveyard on it, or the quest text should have burial ground in it. If the quest text uses the word graveyard, then it's not relevant if you find a burial ground, because the quest text specifically uses the word graveyard not burial ground.

This is exactly like trying to use the word bookseller in the specialization quest. They can't put the word bookseller above the merchants name Val Royeaux, but can put bookseller above the merchants name in Redcliff village (Dwarven Bookseller).

I can easily argue that a tomb and a cave are the same thing because they both have the same symbol representing them on the map.

 

Ok, so the merchant that sells books being a bookseller isn't obvious enough either?

 

Why do I get the impression that your one of those folks who owns one of those label making machines and you insist on labeling everything, including all the tupperware in the fridge with leftovers in it?

 

Just FYI, my favorite bookstore is called the Antiquarium, it doesn't have the word bookstore anywhere in the title of the store or on the sign out front.  Yet somehow people still seem to realize it's a bookstore and go there to buy books.  I'm guessing it's probably because it has a bunch of books clearly visible in the front window of the store.  Sort of makes it pretty easy to discern what it is they sell.

 

Also one other thing you might want to consider before continuing your rant, symbols were often used to represent more than one thing on maps made prior to the invention of the printing press.  You need to realize that prior to the printing press, maps, indeed all documents had to be copied and reproduced by hand.  This was a very time consuming, very expensive process.

[ZeroMystic]

Ok, so lets try this - you obviously now know that when the quest refers to a graveyard they are actually talking about the area of the map called burial ground.  Since obviously the vast majority of the people playing the game didn't have nearly as much difficulty as you did in working their way through this, what logical reason would BW have for releasing a patch to fix this since, it doesn't appear to be an issue to anyone other than yourself?

No, the quest does not refer to a graveyard, it actually says graveyard. So show me where the actual word graveyard is in the Hissing Wastes is then.

[Syre297]

ZeroMystic, why don't you just go return the game and get a refund since it's so poorly designed and obviously not what you expected or wanted? Clearly you are not able to achieve any amount of enjoyment from it. Why torture yourself with this awful piece of garbage that claims to be a game, but requires you to use critical thinking skills outside of work or school. You seem to have a mystical life where outside of work or school you require absolutely ZERO use of thinking (critical or otherwise). I am going to assume that this is where your choice of username comes from.

[SofaJockey]

ZeroMystic, why don't you just go return the game and get a refund since it's so poorly designed and obviously not what you expected or wanted? Clearly you are not able to achieve any amount of enjoyment from it. Why torture yourself with this awful piece of garbage that claims to be a game, but requires you to use critical thinking skills outside of work or school. You seem to have a mystical life where outside of work or school you require absolutely ZERO use of thinking (critical or otherwise). I am going to assume that this is where your choice of username comes from.

 

There are no in-game instructions on how to get a refund...

[drummerchick]

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If a map uses the word "trail" it's not asking what you think trail means, and trail does not mean path, dirt road, or anything else that might come close to what it could be. If it says trail and there isn't one, then the direction using trail is 100% wrong and only someone who doesn't know how to follow directions would go to a place that's kind of the same. Arguing against that means you don't have a clue on how to read a map correctly Real maps are made by people who know to say and use exactly what they say.

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You've obviously never been hiking. Trail maps are notoriously subjective as to what constitutes a trail. Sometimes it is a path, a dirt road, a paved road, a gravel road, a game trail where the grass is all smushed down, and sometimes the actual hiking trail is a nothing more than the path worn by water trickling down the mountain.

I would consider it a personal favor if you contact American Hiking Society and convince them to standardize their definition of trail and update all their guides. 

[TaHol]

Folks, think that you might be a teacher. Think that this OP could be your student. Think the sheer amount of Prozac and Diapam you would have to take daily basis. Now thank God you can just put him on ignore. There are actually people who have to live with him.

[Sartoz]

Let's see.

 

Chess

Checkers

Othello

Hearts

Solitaire

Blackjack

etc....  are NOT games according to you?

[BansheeOwnage]

Fact 1:
The quest text uses the word graveyard, which means there is an area titled "Graveyard" somewhere on that map.

Fact 2:
There is no graveyard in the Hissing Wastes.

Fact 3:
The quest text is 100% incorrect due to using a non-existent place.

Fact 4:
In order for the quest text to be correct, it must use burial ground because that's the actual name of the area it's in.

Fact 5:
Games are not work, nor are they school. So qoute all the sources you want about that, none of them will ever be correct as soon as anything work/school related gets applied, it's no longer a game.

If you all love work, that's perfectly fine, but pay for a game to actually play it, not have to learn how to play it by doing tons and tons of outside research and thinking. If I wanted to do research and thinking, I would pay for classes and go to school where that applies.

Apparently gamers seem to think games are supposed to be work and that's sad.

1. Incorrect. As I've stated twice before, and others have: Just because the journal tells you to go to a graveyard does not mean there is an area called "Graveyard". I likened this to finding a waterfall despite no area being called "Waterfall". Honestly, I thought you would have figured that out yourself. "But the journal didn't say go to the area called Graveyard, it just said go to a graveyard!" sounds like something you would say, because the game did not explicitly tell you it was an area.

 

2. There is no graveyard in the Hissing Wastes? Then how did you find it?

 

3. The quest text is not incorrect, because it is a very existent place indeed. Are you now arguing that the place you managed to find doesn't exist?

 

4. In order for the quest text to be correct, it only needs to use "Burial Ground" if it's telling you which area of the map to go to! Not if it's telling you where to go using any other set of descriptions.

 

5. I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with your arbitrary separation of work, school and games. They're just things. You do them, and you're supposed to think while doing all of them. I played at school, and learn while I play games. Technically, they're also both work.

 

6. I don't even.

 

7. Who cares even if it was supposed to say "Burial Ground" instead? It would be a tiny error creating a tiny problem that can be solved by using your head or just following a quest marker since you're so opposed to the idea that thinking should be involved in games.

[BansheeOwnage]

No, the quest does not refer to a graveyard, it actually says graveyard. So show me where the actual word graveyard is in the Hissing Wastes is then.

So, the word has to appear for it to exist? Does everything have to be described in some text or dialogue in the area? Are there no trees in the Hinterlands because there is no area which has the word "tree" in it?

 

This reminds me of the (admittedly ridiculous) clue quest in the Emerald Graves. The OP would have absolutely no way of solving it, because it uses riddles. Should that be taken out of the game? Might as well give you instructions on how to do the puzzles too. Step on this plate, then this one... Oh, wait, that would turn the game into work, because it removes that really cool mechanic games have, you know - the one that allows you to do things yourself, unlike TV or books? I think it's called "playing". It's a revolutionary concept.

 

You should just watch movies.

[lynroy]

Fact 1:
The quest text uses the word graveyard, which means there is an area titled "Graveyard" somewhere on that map.

Fact 2:
There is no graveyard in the Hissing Wastes.

Fact 3:
The quest text is 100% incorrect due to using a non-existent place.

Fact 4:
In order for the quest text to be correct, it must use burial ground because that's the actual name of the area it's in.

Fact 5:
Games are not work, nor are they school. So qoute all the sources you want about that, none of them will ever be correct as soon as anything work/school related gets applied, it's no longer a game.

If you all love work, that's perfectly fine, but pay for a game to actually play it, not have to learn how to play it by doing tons and tons of outside research and thinking. If I wanted to do research and thinking, I would pay for classes and go to school where that applies.

Apparently gamers seem to think games are supposed to be work and that's sad.

LOL at the 'facts'. What games do you play?  Dot to dots?

 

Sorry if people don't get the problem with directions for a place on a map, not having the actual name of the place used on the map in the directions. But if people here are so in love with school and work so much, to the point they're actually trying to apply that to games where it doesn't belong, and then actually saying games are work and scool, then anyone who thinks that way, should either be in school or at work applying that process where it belongs, instead of on a game forum trying to apply it where it doesnt belong.

Unless this is work or school (Which its not), then comments such as "figure it out", or that use the word "thinking" have no acknowledgemen to me because they don't belong attched to games, want to pull that crap then I go to school and or work where it belongs.

Seriously, I want to know what other games you play. Most of the games I play require a bit of critical thinking to figure out puzzles and stuff.

 

There is only .1% of actual crashes due to bad programming.
99.9% of game crashes are proven to be user error due to attempting to run the game at settings their comp can't handle and running mods and other programs in the bavkground. And then pthose people actually argue about how they have all this high end hardware, because they don't get it, then they argue about that as well. Well if they really knew what they were talking about, then their game wouldn't be crashing. They even argue against that too. So there is no talking to them.

So turn the settings down, quit running crap in the background, or continue deal ingwith the game crashing. My game plays fine because I know my computers limits. Try doing the same instead of arguing invalid points like you and others probably will.

I can't hold it in anymore