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Omg it just hit me, the Architect *spoilers*


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Maker's balls, why did I click that haha.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he has a surprise appearance in the dlc that may contain Darkspawn (Not confirmed obviously, but was slyly hinted at.) Then we have Weisshaupt, Darkspawns, then bam, the Architect! 

I hope Utha is there. And the Arhitect says "Utha," which I enjoy as much as when Cass says "So-LAS" in her cute Cass way. 



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I'd love if it turned out the Architect was the High Priest of Urthemiel. "Where's your god? Oh you turned him into an Archdemon"

This is most likely the case, as I recall you could loot the "Robes of Urthemiel" or something along the lines of that in a container in the room where you encountered the Architect in the Mother's Lair. 

 

As for hypothetical other Magisters, I'd like to see one who was never in stasis like Corypheus, but still remembers his/her origins. One likely location in my mind is Kal'Sharok, as the codex in DAI implies that the dwarves there are blighted. Perhaps they survived through the ages with help?  ;)


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As i said DG claimed they don't plan making exception for architect , and in first place Architect didn't possess the warden and his warden companions.

Things can change.

And nobody said he had to jump to the closest tainted being, Seranni remains unaccounted for.

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Things can change.

And nobody said he had to jump to the closest tainted being, Seranni remains unaccounted for.

Indeed they can, that being said, in this particular case I think they won't be doing that. Somehow it makes sense to me that it was an ability unique to Corypheus, who probably was the most powerful one of the bunch, given that he ended up being the antagonist of Inquisition.

 

Not that I'd be against it though, I still feel it's a shame he didn't show up in Inquisition's campaign. I'd be fascinated to see how the Inquisitor and his companions would react to meeting yet another blighted magister who is more civil  :D



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Things can change.

And nobody said he had to jump to the closest tainted being, Seranni remains unaccounted for.

May or may not as far nothing points they will.

 

As i said before it would be idiotic thing to do instead destroying your own enemy you destroy your own ally for no reason.



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I must wonder if being around Darkspawn for so long has caused him to forget who he is, or is going to great length to make sure his identity is kept hidden.



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May or may not as far nothing points they will.

 

As i said before it would be idiotic thing to do instead destroying your own enemy you destroy your own ally for no reason.

If the Architect already tried to defend himself from the warden and failed why would he try again right away after being reborn from Seranni and expect different results? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. At that point he knew he wasnt no match for the Warden and could regroup by using Seranni as a vessel instead of wasting a chance of failing and having took over her in vain. Also take in account maybe the Architect was holding back dying on purpose so they can think he was dead, if he ran he would risk wardens searching for him he wanted them to kill the Mother after all which they cant do if he killed them. So I personally dont think its idiotic because at that moment the architect did not see the warden as his current enemy that title was for the mother at the moment.



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May or may not as far nothing points they will.
 
As i said before it would be idiotic thing to do instead destroying your own enemy you destroy your own ally for no reason.

The Architect doesn't want the Wardens to be his enemies. Bursting out of their chests is kinda a hindrance to that. Then there's the value of faking your own death instead of letting his enemy know his full capability.
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If the Architect already tried to defend himself from the warden and failed why would he try again right away after being reborn from Seranni and expect different results? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. At that point he knew he wasnt no match for the Warden and could regroup by using Seranni as a vessel instead of wasting a chance of failing and having took over her in vain. Also take in account maybe the Architect was holding back dying on purpose so they can think he was dead, if he ran he would risk wardens searching for him he wanted them to kill the Mother after all which they cant do if he killed them. So I personally dont think its idiotic because at that moment the architect did not see the warden as his current enemy that title was for the mother at the moment.

Oh god...  -_-  because he could possess the warden and his party without even fighting ,if he can possess wardens he can kill the warden in an instant .Not to mention as i said why he would stupidly kill his ally ,instead guy that tried to kill him and oppose his plans ,so yes the warden was his enemy .In fact if he killed the warden and his companions in first place wardens wouldn't know about his existence... well save from his activities in the calling

 

 

The Architect doesn't want the Wardens to be his enemies. Bursting out of their chests is kinda a hindrance to that. Then there's the value of faking your own death instead of letting his enemy know his full capability.

:blink:  The warden already opposed his plans and tried to kill him in that scenario and by that is his enemy ,not to mention if he killed the warden then no one would know about him and what he did in first place ,as well his full capabilities would be mystery as there would be no witness .

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Oh god...  -_-  because he could possess the warden and his party without even fighting ,if he can possess wardens he can kill the warden in an instant .Not to mention as i said why he would stupidly kill his ally ,instead guy that tried to kill him and oppose his plans ,so yes the warden was his enemy .In fact if he killed the warden and his companions in first place wardens wouldn't know about his existence... well save from his activities in the calling

 

 

:blink:  The warden already opposed his plans and tried to kill him in that scenario and by that is his enemy ,not to mention if he killed the warden then no one would know about him and what he did in first place ,as well his full capabilities would be mystery as there would be no witness .

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I think he thought it was worth of the risk, having Warden commander in his side is worth risking Velanna's sister's or Utha's lives, because he wouldn't really lose much in terms of power, resources etc. I think he's well prepared to sacrifice his allies to get something more important.



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I think he thought it was worth of the risk, having Warden commander in his side is worth risking Velanna's sister's or Utha's lives, because he wouldn't really lose much in terms of power, resources etc. I think he's well prepared to sacrifice his allies to get something more important.

He doesn't have warden commander on his side ,he has warden commander against him in this scenario. :lol:

Literally there is no reason to off your ally when you can off guy that decided to oppose you and have knowledge of what you did.

Little logic pls.



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:blink: The warden already opposed his plans and tried to kill him in that scenario and by that is his enemy ,not to mention if he killed the warden then no one would know about him and what he did in first place ,as well his full capabilities would be mystery as there would be no witness .
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That doesn't mean he isn't holding out hope that he and the wardens can one day be allies. Not to mention, whether they kill him or ally with him, he still needs them to kill the Mother.

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That doesn't mean he isn't holding out hope that he and the wardens can one day be allies. Not to mention, whether they kill him or ally with him, he still needs them to kill the Mother.

It doesn't change fact the warden commander flat out refused his offer and tried to kill him ,and thus is his enemy and danger to his plan ,even if he has his weird dream the warden was in that case obstacle to this dream.No he doesn't ,in first place if he has abilities you are talking about he would be invincible and the mother wouldn't be threat to him. 



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It doesn't change fact the warden commander flat out refused his offer and tried to kill him ,and thus is his enemy and danger to his plan ,even if he has his weird dream the warden was in that case obstacle to this dream.No he doesn't ,in first place if he has abilities you are talking about he would be invincible and the mother wouldn't be threat to him. 

 

The Mother however isn't thread only to Architect, but also to his followers and his plans. He might not have enough power to kill the Mother or he might not want to do it, since he seems to avoid fighting in general so regardless if Warden commander wants to ally with him he still needs warden to kill the Mother. Also even if he possessed Warden Commander, companions of Warden would attack him. If he was able to body hop, he could have faked his death and so he and his plans would be safe even if Warden didn't want to ally with him. What I'm saying that if he is immortal like Cory, it was worthy risk to take to ask Warden Commander to ally with him, cause Warden already knew he existed anyways and would hunt him down after the Mother if he didn't ally himself with Warden or faked his death.



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If he body hopped inside the warden and killed them along with there allies you don't think it would raise a flag that the warden commander of a country did not return from a important mission. i guess you forgot we still left other allies behind who have knowledge of the mother and the architect thus they would now be enemies of the entire warden order. So being a genius he knew he had two options try make allies of the warden or fake a death so those a vigil's keep would think that threat has ended. He is not a direct villain more of a schemer so yeah

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The Mother however isn't thread only to Architect, but also to his followers and his plans. He might not have enough power to kill the Mother or he might not want to do it, since he seems to avoid fighting in general so regardless if Warden commander wants to ally with him he still needs warden to kill the Mother. Also even if he possessed Warden Commander, companions of Warden would attack him. If he was able to body hop, he could have faked his death and so he and his plans would be safe even if Warden didn't want to ally with him. What I'm saying that if he is immortal like Cory, it was worthy risk to take to ask Warden Commander to ally with him, cause Warden already knew he existed anyways and would hunt him down after the Mother if he didn't ally himself with Warden or faked his death.

:rolleyes: i see asking for logic is too much.If he has abilities he is talking about architect is immortal so the mother wouldn't be threat to him in first place because he can't die. So no he doesn't need the warden deal with the mother in that scenario because the mother can't kill him and he can kill her in first place if the mother can even match him.

 

Facepalm ,and who his companions were ,little help:

a)Klingons

b ) bartenders

c)grey wardens

So no ,even if his companions would be able defeat architect he would just jump on another companion and then the same untill are all dead.

 

And how the warden would be able hunt him down if s/he was dead not mention that the warden knew about his plans , what he did and about awakened darkspawn and he was further threat to his plans. 

 

 

If he body hopped inside the warden and killed them along with there allies you don't think it would raise a flag that the warden commander of a country did not return from a important mission. i guess you forgot we still left other allies behind who have knowledge of the mother and the architect thus they would now be enemies of the entire warden order. So being a genius he knew he had two options try make allies of the warden or fake a death so those a vigil's keep would think that threat has ended. He is not a direct villain more of a schemer so yeah

S/he went kill the mother into darkspawn lair and died there killed by darkspawn.In first place no one would know about architect part in it as all witnesses would be dead killed in darkspawn lair where architect told the warden everything in first place.At best companions left behind would be alive with very little knowledge at worst companions are dead and people have even less information.Darkspawn attacks would stop and things would went quiet.If warden alive not only your enemy stays alive but also have knowledge about what you have did but also about awakened darkspawn that are still there.    



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:rolleyes: i see asking for logic is too much.If he has abilities he is talking about architect is immortal so the mother wouldn't be threat to him in first place because he can't die. So no he doesn't need the warden deal with the mother in that scenario because the mother can't kill him and he can kill her in first place if the mother can even match him.

 

Facepalm ,and who his companions were ,little help:

a)Klingons

b ) bartenders

c)grey wardens

So no ,even if his companions would be able defeat architect he would just jump on another companion and then the same untill are all dead.

 

And how the warden would be able hunt him down if s/he was dead not mention that the warden knew about his plans , what he did and about awakened darkspawn and he was further threat to his plans. 

 

 

I'm thinking of this logically, but you missed my point. The Mother might not be threat to Architect's life, but she is threat to awakened darkspawn, grey wardens and Architect plans.

 

You are right that he might just keep body hopping, but faking his death seems more likely to me thinking of his character and that he wants to use Warden to kill the Mother. Killing Warden and their companions would serve no purpose to him.



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My thoughts on the Architect:

 

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I'm thinking of this logically, but you missed my point. The Mother might not be threat to Architect's life, but she is threat to awakened darkspawn, grey wardens and Architect plans.

 

You are right that he might just keep body hopping, but faking his death seems more likely to me thinking of his character and that he wants to use Warden to kill the Mother. Killing Warden and their companions would serve no purpose to him.

No you don't ,if you were thinking logically you wouldn't have said that the warden companions would kill architect ,what if he could possess wardens would be completely irrelevant.

As i said thing you say completly doesn't matter as he can kill the mother as he is immortal in that scenario plain and simple...

 

No as i said 10000 times at this point it is idiotic and completly doesn't make any sense in that scenario he kills his own ally , let his enemy go with knowledge what they did , his plans , what was going on and about his people just to pointlessly fake his own death what he could simple do by leaving his body.Not mention there was no point to fake his death as no one would have any important information about him in first place as i have said he explains everything in mothers lair.

 

And of course killing your enemy and person that oppose your plans ,also have information about you and your plans serves no purpose at all.



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As i said thing you say completly don't matter as he can kill the mother as he is immortal in that scenario plain and simple...

 

No as i said 10000 times at this point it is idiotic and completly doesn't make any sense in that scenario he kills his own ally , let his enemy go with knowledge what they did , his plans , what was going on and about his people just to pointlessly fake his own death what he could simple do by leaving his body.Not mention there was no point to fake his death as no one would have any important information about him in first place as i have said he explains everything in mothers lair.

 

And of course killing your enemy and person that oppose your plans ,also have information about you and your plans serves no purpose at all.

A: According to the Architect, he is unable to physically approach the Mother thanks to enchantments in place.  That's why he needed the Warden's help in the first place.

 

B: You're assuming that he wouldn't consider Seranni a necessary sacrifice to his greater agenda.  She was his follower, she may even be willing to give her life for him (And really, she isn't actually very valuable to him from a pragmatic standpoint).

 

C: Faking his death means that nobody will come looking for him, no Wardens hunting the Deeproads for his followers, and he'll be able to continue operating in complete secrecy.

 

D: You're assuming he sees the Wardens as enemies.  Even if so, if he leaves them alive they serve as witnesses to his apparent demise.  If he just killed them, the Wardens at Vigil's Keep would still report his existence to the Wardens at Weissaupt and the Mother would remain a threat.  We're back to status quo and the Mother now has time to regroup.

 

Then again, there's also the scenario where the Architect is not aware of his body jumping ability (If he hasn't died before) and simply leapt to the living tainted individual most closely connected to him and willing to help him through the taint when he was killed: Seranni.


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A: According to the Architect, he is unable to physically approach the Mother thanks to enchantments in place.  That's why he needed the Warden's help in the first place.

 

B: You're assuming that he wouldn't consider Seranni a necessary sacrifice to his greater agenda.  She was his follower, she may even be willing to give her life for him (And really, she isn't actually very valuable to him in and of herself).

 

C: Faking his death means that nobody will come looking for him, no Wardens hunting the Deeproads for his followers, and he'll be able to continue operating in complete secrecy.

 

D: You're assuming he sees the Wardens as enemies.  Even if so, if he leaves them alive they serve as witnesses to his apparent demise.  If he just killed them, the Wardens at Vigil's Keep would still report his existence to the Wardens at Weissaupt and the Mother would remain a threat.  We're back to status quo and the Mother now has time to regroup.

 

Then again, there's also the scenario where the Architect is not aware of his body jumping ability (If he hasn't died before) and simply leapt to the living tainted individual most closely connected to him and willing to help him through the taint when he was killed: Seranni.

A:He says he can't approach her not because any enchantments only because her children protect her (yes those small darkspawn)... ,what in first place wouldn't matter if he was immortal.  

 

B:Necessary and pointless sacrifice are 2 different things.

 

C:In First place the warden knows about his followers and his plans ,so even if s/he thinks architect is dead hunting still would be there , also the warden and companions present in mother lair were only one who knew what was going on as architect explained that and what he plans to do.Grey wardens know about architect at least for 20 years before daa ,plus there would be no problem at all with faking his death by just leaving his body so yeah see pointless sacrifice part..

 

D:Don't even bother with that ,the warden is his enemy as i said s/he oppose his plans in first place ,so yes the warden is his enemy in that scenario ,unless you want to tell me that person that oppose your plans and killed you is your friend.Wardens knew about architect long before daa in first place ,second simple he could just leave his corpse with same effect , third as i said if he was immortal the mother wouldn't be problem.  

 

Also in that scenario he either would be just dead as he wouldn't be able use that ability as he wouldn't know about it ,or if it is automatic (and it rather it isn't) he would just jump into closest warden be it the warden or his companion not "person that trusts him". 

 

Not to mention that there is ton of stuff that show architect don't have abilities that corypheus had ,like for example ability to influence and control grey wardens.



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No his soul would seek a willing host, which was stated by flemeth herself is the way these things work. Since the warden isn't a soulless husk like darkspawn. If he was aware maybe he could force himself on the warden but as you seen in DAI the last magister who got complacent with his immortality died. Architect can potentially awaken more darkspawn especially with the mother out the way now they can all follow him. Even being immortal or semi immortal it is better to have a massive army then try to be a on man army. What your saying out of the architects character or the character he displays. Better to fake a death and plan for years then risk your plans being ruined again.

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No his soul would seek a willing host, which was stated by flemeth herself is the way these things work. Since the warden isn't a soulless husk like darkspawn. If he was aware maybe he could force himself on the warden but as you seen in DAI the last magister who got complacent with his immortality died. Architect can potentially awaken more darkspawn especially with the mother out the way now they can all follow him. Even being immortal or semi immortal it is better to have a massive army then try to be a on man army. What your saying out of the architects character or the character he displays. Better to fake a death and plan for years then risk your plans being ruined again.

LoL, flemeth and corypheus way to possess were entirely different ,don't even compare it .In first place corypheus possession was based on taint flemeth possession wasn't , corypheus proved he could do that regardless if host is willing or not and his host for certain wasn't willing to do that.Corypheus died because of his pride and because of it he created weakness that allowed to kill him ,if he didn't create dragon he wouldn't be able to die.

 

I don't even get what you are talking about ,it doesn't have absolutely anything to taking down the mother and being immortal ,as neither affects ability to create an army...

Only if architect was an idiot then yes it would be out off character .I already have pointed he could fake his death while not killing his ally pointlessly just to spare his enemy that have knowledge about his plans and doings.



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A: According to the Architect, he is unable to physically approach the Mother thanks to enchantments in place.  That's why he needed the Warden's help in the first place.

 

B: You're assuming that he wouldn't consider Seranni a necessary sacrifice to his greater agenda.  She was his follower, she may even be willing to give her life for him (And really, she isn't actually very valuable to him from a pragmatic standpoint).

 

C: Faking his death means that nobody will come looking for him, no Wardens hunting the Deeproads for his followers, and he'll be able to continue operating in complete secrecy.

 

D: You're assuming he sees the Wardens as enemies.  Even if so, if he leaves them alive they serve as witnesses to his apparent demise.  If he just killed them, the Wardens at Vigil's Keep would still report his existence to the Wardens at Weissaupt and the Mother would remain a threat.  We're back to status quo and the Mother now has time to regroup.

 

Then again, there's also the scenario where the Architect is not aware of his body jumping ability (If he hasn't died before) and simply leapt to the living tainted individual most closely connected to him and willing to help him through the taint when he was killed: Seranni.

 

Or he just used Utha's corpse, but it took him time to do it since he's potentially not aware of his own power. We see corypheus use dead Warden meatsuits at in the Arbor Wilds. 


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He obviously kidnapped her and infected her with the taint for a reason. She won't survive long because she has the taint so you really think he cares about body hopping into her? What's stopping him from sending his darkspawn to kidnapped someone else the infect them with the taint? unless you can provide a reason She was such a valued ally to him when he has numerous allies back at his base. The architect was not trying to start a war he was trying to free all darkspawn his motivate for doing so may or may not be real but that obviously was his plan. Grey wardens have knowledge of the taint and idk if your aware how people gain knowledge but its usually by sharing. by adding what he knew with what the wardens knew he would be closer to his goal. now if he wanted to directly kill the warden order since there his enemy then i can see him trying to do so but clearly there is better things he has planned for darkspawn then just fighting wardens hence why he would never try kill them directly mainly out of self defense. He gave us a olive branch and if we attack is he suppose to just change get his plans because you think its idiotic? he kidnapped a non warden and tainted them instead of kidnapping wardens themselves who he allowed to leave unless you think that was stupid to.