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[ObserverStatus]

The way I've always seen it is that MRAs is that they're a lot like copyright lobbyists. Piracy may be a real problem, but for most people, pircacy isn't as big of a problem as copyright lobbyists.

[Billy-the-Squid]

I prefer this video about Matt Lees as opposed to the videos he puts out.
 

 Lol, thankfully I've got none of those hipster or feminist types at work, I'd have caved their head in months ago.

[Angry_Elcor]

Let me check what I think of them:

 

 

Hmm. That function always fails whenever I use it. My Give a Damn software has been on the fritz for years.

[Jock Cranley]

Feminism of a certain sort seems to have degraded into a combination of hate rants and masturbatory bs... 

 

MRM.. frankly I never see it. I've seen a few things here and there, but it mostly seems to be more of a myth than an actuality. Just a handful of active figures and not much else.

 

 

 

Frankly its mostly ruthless egotism. It be one thing if they said "We are going to believe this." I'd say fine. It is not my right nor my concern to tell you what to believe about anything from gender roles to gender orientation to politics, and so on. Where the message goes overboard is when they essentially say "we are going to believe this, and you're going to like it and agree with it regardless of what it is."  That is raw stupidity. Your opinion can be objectively wrong. Your opinion can be subjectively asinine. People want to run around shouting stuff from the rooftops and expect no criticism for it. Furthermore, if you do not support them, you are automatically a sexist/bigot/whatever label they fabricated over a bong 3 weeks ago and ruthlessly publicized as absolute fact. They ruthlessly cling to stupid crap that makes them feel good and call you all sorts of stuff if you call them out on it.

 

So...

If I were to make in intellectual outline of basic tenets that would trigger the daylights out of many activists (but is actually just common sense), it'd be something like this.

 

1.) You have a right to your own opinion.

     a.) Everyone else also has a right to their own opinion.

     b.) No one's opinion is INHERENTLY superior to others.

     c.) An opinion can BECOME superior to another if it has substantial evidence (facts, repeat observations, etc.) or the opposite opinion has lack thereof or substantial evidence to disprove it.

     

2.) You have the right to speak your opinion.

     a.) The fact that you have the right to speak your opinion is not a shield against criticism. 

     b.) The fact that you have the right to speak your opinion is not a shield against consequences.

     c.) Everyone else also has the right to speak their opinion. 

     

3.) You have the right to peaceably take action on the basis of your opinion.

     a.) You are not permitted to do anything that would be otherwise unjustifiable or illegal on the basis of your opinion.

     b.) Everyone else has the right to take action on the basis of your opinion. 

     c.) Other people have the right to challenge, condemn, or refute your course of action on the basis of their opinion, provided they abide by 3a.

 

And here is an SJW version:

 

1.) YouI have a right to yourmy own opinion.

     a.) Everyone else also has a right to their own opinion as long as it aligns with mine or I don't take offense to it.

     b.) No one'sMY opinion is INHERENTLY superior to others.

     c.) An opinion can BECOME superior to another if it has substantial evidence (facts, repeat observations, etc.) or the opposite opinion has lack thereof or substantial evidence to disprove it.My opinion requires no proof and cannot be challenged or disproven.

     

2.) YouI have the right to speak yourmy opinion.

     a.) The fact that you have the right to speak your opinion is not a shield against criticism. Criticism represents hatred and intolerance.

     b.) The fact that you have the right to speak your opinion is not a shield against consequences. Consequences represent oppression.

     c.) Everyone else also has the right to speak their opinion. <-LIE

     

3.) You have the right to peaceably take action on the basis of your opinion.

     a.) You are not permitted to do anything that would be otherwise unjustifiable or illegal on the basis of your opinion.

     b.) Everyone else has the right to take action on the basis of your opinion. 

     c.) Other people have the right to challenge, condemn, or refute your course of action on the basis of their opinion, provided they abide by 3a.

[Althix]

... i like basketball.

[Abraham_uk]

Feminism of a certain sort seems to have degraded into a combination of hate rants and masturbatory bs... 

 

MRM.. frankly I never see it. I've seen a few things here and there, but it mostly seems to be more of a myth than an actuality. Just a handful of active figures and not much else.

SNIP!

 

That post is full of misogyny. Please tell me why you hate women so much.

 

... i like basketball.

 

The amount of misogyny in that post is unbelievable. Don't you realise that basketball is a sport of the patriarchy?

Of course you don't, because you're a man.

 

Just kidding. Feminists are cool. Most of them anyway.

[BroBear Berbil]

I'm sick of identity politics in general. To hear feminists talk, you'd think women were a completely different species. You get some feminists that have really disgusting views about boys and men, as if they're defective girls who need to be fixed. Phrases like "teach boys not to rape" are just so far out there that I feel bad for a boy that would be raised by a woman who would say something like that; it has to instill a serious guilt complex into a boy. I also empathize with all the fathers who send their daughters to college only to have them come out of it with a massive chip on their shoulder, paranoia, and no marketable skills.

 

To answer the question in the OP, I'd say society is heavily weighed in womens' favor in general. Just look at how much they control the narrative of gender issues. "Rape culture" is actually becoming a topic in the news and not as a subject of ridicule. "Manspreading" got enough traction to have signs put up in NY subways.

 

Feminism is so powerful in the West, and so powerless in places where it really matters that they focus on trivial issues and inconveniences. It leaves a person like me with the impression of a very spoiled and entitled group of people. I mean, ffs I read stuff like this https://archive.today/k9e6Cand I'm blown away by the lack of self awareness and multiple instances of hypocrisy.

 

Then you just have women put on a pedastal in general, which probably has a lot to do with the fact that women spend most of a household's money and being the primary demographic for a good chunk of television. Watch a morning news show and you're more likely to hear stories about womens' specific health issues than mens'. The dumb dad stereotype is pervasive in commercials and shows, and society generally has very positive predispositions when it comes to women. http://en.wikipedia....nderful”_effect

I fall into this as well, as I'd prefer a woman to a man in many situations but at least I'm honest about it.

 

Modern feminism doesn't have a lot of widespread appeal and it clings to the false narrative of equality to have any. Coupled with trans issues, "intersectionality", sex negative, sex positive, fat shaming, and any other subissues they create on a weekly basis and I can see 3rd wave feminism collapsing under its own weight in the near future.

 

Onto MRAs, I think the fact that they get so easily dismissed such as in this thread is pretty unfortunate. For what I've seen there are very real issues to deal with, especially in relation to Family Law. The current culture with feminism has bred reactionary ideas like pickup artists and TheRedPill which hopefully will die out when feminism does. They paint a very depressing and unhealthy picture of the relationship between men and women.

[General TSAR]

Contemporary Feminism in the 1st world is toxic (salute to Feminists in hellholes like Afghan). No opinion on MRM.

[o Ventus]

I just know that Thunderf00t is the second coming.

[Abraham_uk]

So here are a few things about MRM (not to be confused with Market Resource Management).

 

[Abraham_uk]

I just know that Thunderf00t is the second coming.

I bet you saw that video where he claims that Feminism Poisons Everything.

If not here it is.

 

[Riven326]

Well, they've never done anything to me directly, so, I guess I don't really have any issues with feminists. That said, from what I've read about them, they sound almost like a militant group that sees everything in black and white and have an amazing ability to make everything about them and their cause.

[o Ventus]

I bet you saw that video where he claims that Feminism Poisons Everything.

If not here it is.

 

I've seen close to all of his videos on the topic, and most of his science videos too (since he is an actual physicist and chemist). I never learned the name of the red-haired woman who screams obscenities at people, but she's so comedically over-the-top in her representation of modern feminism, she's practically a cartoon character.

[Cunning Villain]

No. I'm tired of talking about this. I've been exhausted more than a Saudi oil well.

[o Ventus]

I see peoples' list of good feminist viewpoints to look at, and I keep seeing FemFreq on the lists. 

 

Have we forgotten that Anita Sarkeesian doesn't actually research any of her points, and is a known liar who falsifies her "research"? And maybe it's just me, but I don't put much stock into a woman who says she'll make a series of 12 videos over the course of a year with $160,000 from crowdfunding, only to put out not even half the videos after 2 years.

 

She's at 4 episodes out of 12 of her Tropes vs. Women series, and she started it back in March of 2013. It's been 25 months.

 

It doesn't help that her speeches are written by Jonathan "FullMcIntosh" McIntosh. I.E. the guy who compared male gamers to ISIS.

[Abraham_uk]

I see peoples' list of good feminist viewpoints to look at, and I keep seeing FemFreq on the lists. 

Yep she appeared on my list. It's mostly because she is good at showing the Feminist Viewpoint on video games.

 

Have we forgotten that Anita Sarkeesian doesn't actually research any of her points, and is a known liar who falsifies her "research"? And maybe it's just me, but I don't put much stock into a woman who says she'll make a series of 12 videos over the course of a year with $160,000 from crowdfunding, only to put out not even half the videos after 2 years.

All of that is true. Sadly true. You see, she once said she doesn't like video games because they're violent, but she also played video games from a young age.

 

 

She's at 4 episodes out of 12 of her Tropes vs. Women series, and she started it back in March of 2013. It's been 25 months.

I am getting a bit impatient. She recently uploaded a video on a female hero called The Scythian though. The wait is a bit on the long side.

 

It doesn't help that her speeches are written by Jonathan "FullMcIntosh" McIntosh. I.E. the guy who compared male gamers to ISIS.

He is an interesting personality. He has views about gamers that are controversial. However I guess they're view points I've never considered. I don't agree with these points of view, but hey when it comes to opinions, variety is the spice of life.

[Abraham_uk]

Are there any Pro MRM and Pro Feminists here?

 

I'd love to read their points of view...

[o Ventus]

It's like she's too busy cancelling speeches at universities because of nonexistent threats to make her videos like she promised. 2 years ago. 

 

I can't stress that enough. How can one trust someone who claims to "research", and then openly lie and falsify what they say? On top of taking $160,000 in donations and not doing the work she promised to do? It takes her MONTHS to put out each new video, and her most recent one is less than 10 minutes long. If I can go onto ChannelAwesome and see the Nostalgia Critic post videos that are longer and better edited (and have comedy skits in between the commentary and review, so he isn't just sitting in front of a green screen like Anita) every single week, why does it take half a year for Anita to post an 8-minute video of her sitting in front of a green screen and reading from a teleprompter, occasionally interspersed with gameplay footage that isn't hers? It's not like she's playing the games she claims to be talking about, since the gameplay footage she uses in her videos isn't even from her. It's ripped from other channels.

 

She set the deadline herself (12 videos over the course of 12 months), and then promptly ignored it. If making those videos were her actual job, she'd be fired for incompetence and neglecting to do her work. But no, since she's a moderately attractive woman who claims to be a "social critic" (with her degree in communications, lol) who makes clickbait-worthy headlines for her speeches and online appearances, people flock to her and give credence to what she says, no matter how stupid and illogical it actually is. Of course, since I'm a white male and I disagree with her, that makes me a misogynistic pig who moonlights as a rapist.

[Abraham_uk]

It's like she's too busy cancelling speeches at universities because of nonexistent threats to make her videos like she promised. 2 years ago. 

 

I can't stress that enough. How can one trust someone who claims to "research", and then openly lie and falsify what they say? On top of taking $160,000 in donations and not doing the work she promised to do? It takes her MONTHS to put out each new video, and her most recent one is less than 10 minutes long. If I can go onto ChannelAwesome and see the Nostalgia Critic post videos that are longer and better edited (and have comedy skits in between the commentary and review, so he isn't just sitting in front of a green screen like Anita) every single week, why does it take half a year for Anita to post an 8-minute video of her sitting in front of a green screen and reading from a teleprompter, occasionally interspersed with gameplay footage that isn't hers?

 

She set the deadline herself (12 videos over the course of 12 months), and then promptly ignored it. If making those videos were her actual job, she'd be fired for incompetence and neglecting to do her work. But no, since she's a moderately attractive woman who claims to be a "social critic" (with her degree in communications, lol) who makes clickbait-worthy headlines for her speeches and online appearances, people flock to her.

 

 

You love Nostalgia Critic! HIGH FIVE!!!!

[o Ventus]

You love Nostalgia Critic! HIGH FIVE!!!!

Seen every single one of his videos, ever since he did the Transformers review back in 2007. I kinda liked it better when it was TGWTG though. A lot of the newer guys on ChannelAwesome just aren't funny or very interesting.

[breakdown71289]

He should be in control and take charge, he is the stronger sex for a reason.

 

I agree with you on the being in control and taking charge part, but the stronger sex? I mean sure, men are physically stronger, but mentally, spiritually, and emotionally? It's all subjective. Men and women are both strong for various reasons, but I highly doubt a "stronger" sex exists in all facets of life lol.

[Althix]

The amount of misogyny in that post is unbelievable. 

what can i say? brevity the soul of wit.

[Voxr]

But Tumblr is the platform, nay, the rallying point for the virtuous and hard fought struggle that is, The Third Wave! 

 

 

#notalltumbls 

 

 

 

 

#nah