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[Revan Reborn]

I'm fairly certain before even DAI was released that BioWare stated they weren't going to have any expansions such as Awakening. They are going more of the Mass Effect route with shorter experiences, but more frequent DLC as a result. Personally, I hate DLC/add-on content that barely adds to the experience and costs $14.99 each. I'm looking at virtually all of the Mass Effect DLC, of which only a few were noteworthy (Shadow Broker and Citadel in particular).

 

I understand it's probably because of EA and restricted funds that BioWare is going the short and more frequent DLC route. However, in my opinion, it's a waste of the customer's money and a waste of BioWare's efforts and time. Awakening was absolutely amazing. Yes, expansions take more time and they are more costly for development, but it is worth it. You cannot tell me BioWare did not make a vast amount of money off of Awakening. It was universally loved by everyone.

 

So why not give gamers what we really want? CDPR is probably the best developer in the industry because of how gamer-friendly they are today. Not only are we receiving 16 free DLC/add-ons over the course of the game's life, but CDPR is making two expansions at the normal price of most season passes, and we are getting much more bang for our buck.

 

Even BGS admitted that small DLC updates compared to expansions ultimately didn't work. Bloodmoon, Tribunal, Shivering Isles, and Dragonborn were exceptional, while all of the many DLC/add-ons in Fallout 3 are forgettable and I can't even name one. As a longtime BioWare fan since the original KotOR, I encourage you to truly give the fans what they want to remain relevant. TW3 is easily looking like it could be game of the year, and had it been finished in 2014, I think it probably could have beaten DAI as it currently stands.

 

You make amazing games BioWare, and I truly believe Mass Effect is one of the greatest trilogy of games ever made, but you've got to step it up. I honestly have zero interest in the DAI DLC you released and I might pick it up at some point if it goes on sale. That's not the kind of response you should be getting from some of your fans. We should WANT to buy your DLC. Not be indifferent to it.

[AlanC9]

You cannot tell me BioWare did not make a vast amount of money off of Awakening. It was universally loved by everyone.

It was? I'm not certain about either of these things.

[Al Foley]

I'm fairly certain before even DAI was released that BioWare stated they weren't going to have any expansions such as Awakening. They are going more of the Mass Effect route with shorter experiences, but more frequent DLC as a result. Personally, I hate DLC/add-on content that barely adds to the experience and costs $14.99 each. I'm looking at virtually all of the Mass Effect DLC, of which only a few were noteworthy (Shadow Broker and Citadel in particular).

 

I understand it's probably because of EA and restricted funds that BioWare is going the short and more frequent DLC route. However, in my opinion, it's a waste of the customer's money and a waste of BioWare's efforts and time. Awakening was absolutely amazing. Yes, expansions take more time and they are more costly for development, but it is worth it. You cannot tell me BioWare did not make a vast amount of money off of Awakening. It was universally loved by everyone.

 

So why not give gamers what we really want? CDPR is probably the best developer in the industry because of how gamer-friendly they are today. Not only are we receiving 16 free DLC/add-ons over the course of the game's life, but CDPR is making two expansions at the normal price of most season passes, and we are getting much more bang for our buck.

 

Even BGS admitted that small DLC updates compared to expansions ultimately didn't work. Bloodmoon, Tribunal, Shivering Isles, and Dragonborn were exceptional, while all of the many DLC/add-ons in Fallout 3 are forgettable and I can't even name one. As a longtime BioWare fan since the original KotOR, I encourage you to truly give the fans what they want to remain relevant. TW3 is easily looking like it could be game of the year, and had it been finished in 2014, I think it probably could have beaten DAI as it currently stands.

 

You make amazing games BioWare, and I truly believe Mass Effect is one of the greatest trilogy of games ever made, but you've got to step it up. I honestly have zero interest in the DAI DLC you released and I might pick it up at some point if it goes on sale. That's not the kind of response you should be getting from some of your fans. We should WANT to buy your DLC. Not be indifferent to it.

I do get annoyed when people speak on my behalf, and threaten BioWare on my behalf.  BioWare.  I like your DLC content just fine thank you very much (though Awakenng was quite awesome) Just keep doing what you are doing with your normal high quality.  

[BobZilla84]

I'm fairly certain before even DAI was released that BioWare stated they weren't going to have any expansions such as Awakening. They are going more of the Mass Effect route with shorter experiences, but more frequent DLC as a result. Personally, I hate DLC/add-on content that barely adds to the experience and costs $14.99 each. I'm looking at virtually all of the Mass Effect DLC, of which only a few were noteworthy (Shadow Broker and Citadel in particular).
 
I understand it's probably because of EA and restricted funds that BioWare is going the short and more frequent DLC route. However, in my opinion, it's a waste of the customer's money and a waste of BioWare's efforts and time. Awakening was absolutely amazing. Yes, expansions take more time and they are more costly for development, but it is worth it. You cannot tell me BioWare did not make a vast amount of money off of Awakening. It was universally loved by everyone.
 
So why not give gamers what we really want? CDPR is probably the best developer in the industry because of how gamer-friendly they are today. Not only are we receiving 16 free DLC/add-ons over the course of the game's life, but CDPR is making two expansions at the normal price of most season passes, and we are getting much more bang for our buck.
 
Even BGS admitted that small DLC updates compared to expansions ultimately didn't work. Bloodmoon, Tribunal, Shivering Isles, and Dragonborn were exceptional, while all of the many DLC/add-ons in Fallout 3 are forgettable and I can't even name one. As a longtime BioWare fan since the original KotOR, I encourage you to truly give the fans what they want to remain relevant. TW3 is easily looking like it could be game of the year, and had it been finished in 2014, I think it probably could have beaten DAI as it currently stands.
 
You make amazing games BioWare, and I truly believe Mass Effect is one of the greatest trilogy of games ever made, but you've got to step it up. I honestly have zero interest in the DAI DLC you released and I might pick it up at some point if it goes on sale. That's not the kind of response you should be getting from some of your fans. We should WANT to buy your DLC. Not be indifferent to it.

Well I just want Dlc thats up to Lair of The Shadow Broker and Citadel quality wise Jaws of Hakkon was ok but it was weak in the one area that DAI greatly suffers in its Story.
It was just more run around,collect stuff and Finish thats bad this game needs more Story not a collectathon.

[Navasha]

Full Disclosure : I love the witcher series too.  

 

That said, I would be VERY prepared for the hate and storm that will come with TW3.   You see there is a trend in this industry called expectations.  Every title is expected by the fans to be better than the one that proceeds it.   Developers though are also simultaneously trying to expand their customer base, which is where dumbing down and feature removal start to come into play.

 

As much build up as people put on TW3 to live up to and exceed TW2, it is almost guaranteed to disappoint many people.   So before you go building up a comparison to a game no one has played yet, you might just want to wait until the game is released before making recommendations on it. 

[Revan Reborn]

It was? I'm not certain about either of these things.

Hey, if you are one of the few who didn't like Awakening, more power to you. Based on the fact BioWare created an ultimate edition with the main game and Awakening included that sold very well and the fact I've never heard others criticize the expansion, I believe you'd be in the minority on that one.

 

I do get annoyed when people speak on my behalf, and threaten BioWare on my behalf.  BioWare.  I like your DLC content just fine thank you very much (though Awakenng was quite awesome) Just keep doing what you are doing with your normal high quality.  

I don't believe I ever explicitly stated I speak for you. However, that doesn't mean my point isn't speaking for quite a few fans of BioWare who have just not bothered to make a thread. You are more than willing to disagree. Personally, I believe small DLC/add-ons are a waste of time and money.

 

Well I just want Dlc thats up to Lair of The Shadow Broker and Citadel quality wise Jaws of Hakkon was ok but it was weak in the one area that DAI greatly suffers in its Story.
It was just more run around,collect stuff and Finish thats bad this game needs more Story not a collectathon.

Just based on your explanation alone I have zero interest in Jaws of Hakkon. How can BioWare release a DLC that doesn't focus on story? All of their best post-release content has involved creating new and compelling stories. I enjoy the open world and exploration side of DAI, but it's the story that ultimately many BioWare fans want to experience the most. I can play Skyrim if I want to explore a large, open world.

 

Full Disclosure : I love the witcher series too.  

 

That said, I would be VERY prepared for the hate and storm that will come with TW3.   You see there is a trend in this industry called expectations.  Every title is expected by the fans to be better than the one that proceeds it.   Developers though are also simultaneously trying to expand their customer base, which is where dumbing down and feature removal start to come into play.

 

As much build up as people put on TW3 to live up to and exceed TW2, it is almost guaranteed to disappoint many people.   So before you go building up a comparison to a game no one has played yet, you might just want to wait until the game is released before making recommendations on it. 

There has been a hate storm with every Witcher game since the original in 2007. In my personal opinion, CDPR has improved in almost every way with each game. TW3 seems to be doing what TW2 did with the original by building and expanding in every way conceivable. It may not live up to the hype, but the point is at least CDPR puts in the effort to start.

 

I am not "making recommendations on" TW3. I am merely stating they are releasing 16 free DLC/add-ons and two expansions for the price of a normal season pass. Regardless of whether the base game is good or bad, that is unheard of and incredible for any developer to pull off. That is the kind of service and quality gamers expect and want from developers.

[Andraste_Reborn]

You cannot tell me BioWare did not make a vast amount of money off of Awakening.

 

They didn't. Their stated reason for not doing full expansions for DA2 or Inquisition is that Awakening took too long to make and was too expensive. (Mark Darrah said so in an interview here.)

 

I mean, I'd prefer full-length expansions over DLC too, but if they don't sell, they don't sell.

[Revan Reborn]

They didn't. Their stated reason for not doing full expansions for DA2 or Inquisition is that Awakening took too long to make and was too expensive. (Mark Darrah said so in an interview here.)

 

I mean, I'd prefer full-length expansions over DLC too, but if they don't sell, they don't sell.

That sounds more like EA speaking for BioWare than anything else. It also sounds like typical PR to make excuses for not giving gamers what they want. Regardless of how factually accurate Mr. Darrah's words are, does anybody actually remember the DLC in DA2? That is my point. Make it too short and sweet and it will often be forgettable. The expansion wouldn't even necessarily need to be as large as Awakening. Take cues from BGS with Dawnguard and Dragonborn. They were big and massive, yet probably not too much to the detriment of development. There is a fine line to walk.

 

I don't believe the myth that expansions don't sell and DLC does. That is nothing more than investors spinning reality to justify giving us very little at bloated prices. EA, Ubisoft, and Activision are infamous for their "season passes" that provide very little content and ridiculous prices. CDPR has the luxury of being independent and not owned by one of the large publishers, while BGS has full autonomy as well because ZeniMax Media Inc. is a private corporation and not public. Thus, it's not surprising they are able to make massive and impressive expansions while everybody else is charging $5-15 for barely any content. It's a matter of politics.

[katerinafm]

Full Disclosure : I love the witcher series too.  

 

That said, I would be VERY prepared for the hate and storm that will come with TW3.   You see there is a trend in this industry called expectations.  Every title is expected by the fans to be better than the one that proceeds it.   Developers though are also simultaneously trying to expand their customer base, which is where dumbing down and feature removal start to come into play.

 

As much build up as people put on TW3 to live up to and exceed TW2, it is almost guaranteed to disappoint many people.   So before you go building up a comparison to a game no one has played yet, you might just want to wait until the game is released before making recommendations on it. 

 

Agreed, though I also think that CDPR has gained a pretty fanatic fanbase that would be blind to any faults the game might have and would still worship it no matter what. See now with the expansions.

Before, everyone was whining about being able to buy expansion passes and pre-ordering stuff when you didn't know if the game and DLC were worth it, and how that was the developers trying to make gamers give them more money.

People also go crazy mad when devs talk about DLC before the full game is even out.

CDPR announced two DLC, and an expansion pass before the game has been released. There are zero complaints and everyone who points out how this is basically the same is shut down. That comes from someone that really likes the Witcher series. I'm not saying they shouldn't do this, but I just find it extremely interesting how everyone is jumping to CDPR's defense when they are technically doing exactly the same as other devs. If you also want to talk about TW3's free dlc (which will be outfits), then you could argue that, hey, DAI (and ME3) do that as well with the free MP dlc. Because they used the word 'expansion', it's suddenly different, while Jaws of Hakkon also literally provides an expansion of the game (a large map with hours worth of content). But it doesn't count because they called it DLC instead of the magic word ~expansion~?

And the most important thing to remember is that whatever selling practices you disagree with, it's EA you should be mad at, not Bioware. Bioware is the dev team. EA is in charge of how much they'll sell it, and what they want the devs to make and DLC plans. CDPR doesn't have an 'overlord' as far as I know?

[Shechinah]

From what I've seen and my own personal experiences people do remember the DLC of DA2.

 

"Legacy" and "Mark of the Assassin" were seen by some as an improvement of DA2 and characters as well as elements from both of them are mentioned on the forums. There was a thread not too long ago about Tallis and Corypheus, well, Corypheus.

 

I'm not just talking about his appearance and role in this game but that people on the forums references things from "Legacy" about him like his battle, his "death" and so forth meaning he is memorable enough for people to recall those things. Sure, some use information or refresh memories by using the Wikipedia but most who bring up his fight does so in conjunction with their own experiences, feelings and thoughts relating to it. This suggest to me that both of the DLC were memorable enough to be remembered, not to and by all but still to a fair amount of people.

[Al Foley]

Agreed, though I also think that CDPR has gained a pretty fanatic fanbase that would be blind to any faults the game might have and would still worship it no matter what. See now with the expansions.

Before, everyone was whining about being able to buy expansion passes and pre-ordering stuff when you didn't know if the game and DLC were worth it, and how that was the developers trying to make gamers give them more money.

People also go crazy mad when devs talk about DLC before the full game is even out.

CDPR announced two DLC, and an expansion pass before the game has been released. There are zero complaints and everyone who points out how this is basically the same is shut down. That comes from someone that really likes the Witcher series. I'm not saying they shouldn't do this, but I just find it extremely interesting how everyone is jumping to CDPR's defense when they are technically doing exactly the same as other devs. If you also want to talk about TW3's free dlc (which will be outfits), then you could argue that, hey, DAI (and ME3) do that as well with the free MP dlc. Because they used the word 'expansion', it's suddenly different, while Jaws of Hakkon also literally provides an expansion of the game (a large map with hours worth of content). But it doesn't count because they called it DLC instead of the magic word ~expansion~?

And the most important thing to remember is that whatever selling practices you disagree with, it's EA you should be mad at, not Bioware. Bioware is the dev team. EA is in charge of how much they'll sell it, and what they want the devs to make and DLC plans. CDPR doesn't have an 'overlord' as far as I know?

On this subject Ialways thought Dragonborn was a DLC, not an expansion...point, people can seem to make other things fit their definition of something when it is 'good' then when it is not.

[Revan Reborn]

Agreed, though I also think that CDPR has gained a pretty fanatic fanbase that would be blind to any faults the game might have and would still worship it no matter what. See now with the expansions.

Before, everyone was whining about being able to buy expansion passes and pre-ordering stuff when you didn't know if the game and DLC were worth it, and how that was the developers trying to make gamers give them more money.

People also go crazy mad when devs talk about DLC before the full game is even out.

CDPR announced two DLC, and an expansion pass before the game has been released. There are zero complaints and everyone who points out how this is basically the same is shut down. That comes from someone that really likes the Witcher series. I'm not saying they shouldn't do this, but I just find it extremely interesting how everyone is jumping to CDPR's defense when they are technically doing exactly the same as other devs. If you also want to talk about TW3's free dlc (which will be outfits), then you could argue that, hey, DAI (and ME3) do that as well with the free MP dlc. Because they used the word 'expansion', it's suddenly different, while Jaws of Hakkon also literally provides an expansion of the game (a large map with hours worth of content). But it doesn't count because they called it DLC instead of the magic word ~expansion~?

And the most important thing to remember is that whatever selling practices you disagree with, it's EA you should be mad at, not Bioware. Bioware is the dev team. EA is in charge of how much they'll sell it, and what they want the devs to make and DLC plans. CDPR doesn't have an 'overlord' as far as I know?

Who is defending CDPR? Have you been to their official forums? All half the community does is bash and attack CDPR for announcing DLC or expansions before the game has even been released. Please tell me what other developer today has released 16 free DLC/add-ons as well as making not one, but two expansions in this day and age? It doesn't happen, and it's largely because major publishers don't want it to happen. That's the point.

 

This isn't another "CDPR is amazing thread." This is about pointing out that massive difference in terms of providing content at a reasonable price for gamers. There is actually a difference between an expansion and DLC. An expansion is essentially a complete, standalone game. Look at MMORPGs for guidance. DLC, is merely an extension of the main game. Who is attacking BioWare? The OP made it rather explicit that it falls to EA as they supply BioWare the money to make games.

 

From what I've seen and my own personal experiences people do remember the DLC of DA2.

 

"Legacy" and "Mark of the Assassin" were seen by some as an improvement of DA2 and characters as well as elements from both of them are mentioned on the forums. There was a thread not too long ago about Tallis and Corypheus, well, Corypheus.

 

I'm not just talking about his appearance and role in this game but that people on the forums references things from "Legacy" about him like his battle, his "death" and so forth meaning he is memorable enough for people to recall those things. Sure, some use information or refresh memories by using the Wikipedia but most who bring up his fight does so in conjunction with their own experiences, feelings and thoughts relating to it. This suggest to me that both of the DLC were memorable enough to be remembered, not to and by all but still to a fair amount of people.

Legacy doesn't count for the simple fact that Corypheus is the main villain in DAI. Mark of the Assassin might be memorable because Felicia Day was the star character, but there was nothing else of note. Perhaps I should use Fallout 3 or all the other DLC in DAO that wasn't Awakening as an example. How much of those do you remember?

 

On this subject Ialways thought Dragonborn was a DLC, not an expansion...point, people can seem to make other things fit their definition of something when it is 'good' then when it is not.

Dragonborn was considered "add-on content" by BGS. I don't believe they ever stated it was DLC and admittedly they did not call it an expansion either. The main reason I phrased it as such is because it was essentially a standalone game adding a large, new area and plenty of content. It was similar to Bloodmoon, Tribunal, and Shivering Isles, which BGS called expansions.

 

Again, there is a difference between the two. Expansions are massive in size and generally can be independent from the main game. DLCs are merely extensions and add to what is already in the base game. We see very few expansions these days outside of MMORPGs.

[Shechinah]

You mean like "Warden's Keep", a DLC people brings into discussions when it comes to matters of curing the Taint (because of Avernus' research) or talking about Wardens' involvement in political matters (because of Sophia Dryden)?

 

You mean like "Return to Ostagar", a DLC where people brings into discussions amongst others when it comes to Celene in regards to her letters and supposed intend towards Cailan or Cailan's crucified body which is still a morbid joke on the forums due to a "Natural Body" mod which has a certain part of his body... stand tall?

 

You mean like "The Stone Prisoner", a DLC featuring a character that is asked about and who some people want to know the faith of?

 

You mean like "The Darkspawn Chronicles", a DLC that is sometimes brought up when people dicuss characters and how said characters fare and develope without the Warden's involvement?

 

You mean like "Leliana's Song", a DLC that is sometimes brought up when people discuss Leliana's character?

 

You mean like "Witch Hunt", a DLC which elements are often mentioned in discussions pertaining to amongst other things Morrigan?

 

People still wonder what happened to random encounter characters like the Starmetal baby who is from the "Warden's Keep" DLC.

 

I will give you, however, that no one talks very much, if at all, about "The Golems of Amgarrak".

[9TailsFox]

Agreed, though I also think that CDPR has gained a pretty fanatic fanbase that would be blind to any faults the game might have and would still worship it no matter what. See now with the expansions.

Before, everyone was whining about being able to buy expansion passes and pre-ordering stuff when you didn't know if the game and DLC were worth it, and how that was the developers trying to make gamers give them more money.

People also go crazy mad when devs talk about DLC before the full game is even out.

CDPR announced two DLC, and an expansion pass before the game has been released. There are zero complaints and everyone who points out how this is basically the same is shut down. That comes from someone that really likes the Witcher series. I'm not saying they shouldn't do this, but I just find it extremely interesting how everyone is jumping to CDPR's defense when they are technically doing exactly the same as other devs. If you also want to talk about TW3's free dlc (which will be outfits), then you could argue that, hey, DAI (and ME3) do that as well with the free MP dlc. Because they used the word 'expansion', it's suddenly different, while Jaws of Hakkon also literally provides an expansion of the game (a large map with hours worth of content). But it doesn't count because they called it DLC instead of the magic word ~expansion~?

And the most important thing to remember is that whatever selling practices you disagree with, it's EA you should be mad at, not Bioware. Bioware is the dev team. EA is in charge of how much they'll sell it, and what they want the devs to make and DLC plans. CDPR doesn't have an 'overlord' as far as I know?

When I saw DLC pass I was like " No not you you were the chosen one  " but then I saw it will be like next year And I was "Oh good luck more Witcher "

And Witcher 2 improved in everything. DA each game worse DA:I have big levels "good" graphics "plastic hair  " 2 thinks I don't even care. And downgraded everything else "no tactics really?"

 

And your last point BiowarEA, I am tired of this argument blame throw, Like EA an Bioware 2 separate thinks. I am not sorry I am customer and I judge end product an it's price. And if cake cost 14.99 and other sell 2 even much bigger and better cakes for 22.89. It's not my problem one seller greedy.

And CDPR is "overlord"

[Revan Reborn]

You mean like "Warden's Keep", a DLC people brings into discussions when it comes to matters of curing the Taint (because of Avernus' research) or talking about Wardens' involvement in political matters (because of Sophia Dryden)?

 

You mean like "Return to Ostagar", a DLC where people brings into discussions amongst others when it comes to Celene in regards to her letters and supposed intend towards Cailan or Cailan's crucified body which is still a morbid joke on the forums due to a "Natural Body" mod which has a certain part of his body... stand tall?

 

You mean like "The Stone Prisoner", a DLC featuring a character that is asked about and who some people want to know the faith of?

 

You mean like "The Darkspawn Chronicles", a DLC that is sometimes brought up when people dicuss characters and how said characters fare and develope without the Warden's involvement?

 

You mean like "Leliana's Song", a DLC that is sometimes brought up when people discuss Leliana's character?

 

You mean like "Witch Hunt", a DLC which elements are often mentioned in discussions pertaining to amongst other things Morrigan.

 

People still wonder what happened to random encounter characters like the Starmetal baby who is from the "Warden's Keep" DLC.

 

I will give you, however, that no one talks very much, if at all, about "The Golems of Amgarrak".

Perhaps the minority hardcore Dragon Age fans, who also read all the comics and novels, will randomly discuss these more obscure stories. I'm looking at what the normal gamer and BioWare fan will probably remember. I doubt most will remember any of these, especially since Awakening largely overshadows all of them. Outside of Warden's Keep and Witch Hunt, which was directly relevant to DAI, I personally can't say the rest were that memorable.

 

That's not to suggest that somebody doesn't remember, but you should keep in mind that the BioWare forums are largely a haven for BioWare diehards who do not represent most of the gamers buying their games. We are a niche group who take the experience to the extreme. My point still stands that Awakening far surpasses, in terms of impact, any of the others.

[9TailsFox]

Perhaps the minority hardcore Dragon Age fans, who also read all the comics and novels, will randomly discuss these more obscure stories. I'm looking at what the normal gamer and BioWare fan will probably remember. I doubt most will remember any of these, especially since Awakening largely overshadows all of them. Outside of Warden's Keep and Witch Hunt, which was directly relevant to DAI, I personally can't say the rest were that memorable.

 

That's not to suggest that somebody doesn't remember, but you should keep in mind that the BioWare forums are largely a haven for BioWare diehards who do not represent most of the gamers buying their games. We are a niche group who take the experience to the extreme. My point still stands that Awakening far surpasses, in terms of impact, any of the others.

This, I can't stress how bad DA:I as game is gameplay alone is abomination. But I still play it to see everything and experience story. Because I like story. Do we really compeering practically full game awakening is, with few hours addons.

[Shechinah]

(to Revan Reborn) We'll have to agree to disagree since I've played these DLCs long before I began participating on the forums and before I became interested in more of Bioware's games and the lore of said games but I remember the DLC just fine.   

 

I do question why you consider these stories "obscure" or why you think only those who read all the comics and novels randomly discuss them since a lot of those discussions I've seen in regards to them has been in relation to the games and not the additional materials.  

[Revan Reborn]

(to Revan Reborn) We'll have to agree to disagree since I've played these DLCs long before I began participating on the forums and before I became interested in more of Bioware's games and the lore of said games but I remember the DLC just fine.   

 

I do question why you consider these stories "obscure" or why you think only those who read all the comics and novels randomly discuss them since a lot of those discussions I've seen in regards to them has been in relation to the games and not the additional materials.  

Again, outside of maybe the BioWare forums, I never see anyone talk about "The Stone Prisoner DLC," for example. It's similar to the Zaeed DLC and Kasumi DLC in ME2 and Javik DLC in ME3. They were there and certainly some may remember them, but they are largely overshadowed by Lair of the Shadow Broker, Arrival, Citadel, Omega, Leviathan, etc. This is less about knowledge and more about popularity, and it's a fact that larger DLCs with a compelling story are received better than smaller experiences.

 

I am happy you have enjoyed virtually every DLC BioWare has released with Origins. I would be under the impression you are in the minority, however, when it would come to comparing "Warden's Keep" to Awakening, for example. Again, this isn't about suggesting DLC is bad, but expansionsn are better, and more gamers are likely to want expansions rather than small DLC add-ons.

[AlanC9]

Who is defending CDPR? Have you been to their official forums? All half the community does is bash and attack CDPR for announcing DLC or expansions before the game has even been released. Please tell me what other developer today has released 16 free DLC/add-ons as well as making not one, but two expansions in this day and age? It doesn't happen, and it's largely because major publishers don't want it to happen. That's the point.

This actually makes me feel a bit better about gamers. I always figured that if Bio tried something like that DLC plan, these boards would be clogged with people whining. Something like "Bio's selling us an incomplete game and finishing it later!"

[AlanC9]

Again, outside of maybe the BioWare forums, I never see anyone talk about "The Stone Prisoner DLC," for example. It's similar to the Zaeed DLC and Kasumi DLC in ME2 and Javik DLC in ME3.

Would the vast majority of players even think of Zaeed and Shale as DLC characters? They come with the game if you bought it new. I discuss Zaeed or Shale in the right context, but the only time I can recall discussing the Stone Prisoner DLC per se is when we're talking about Bio's regrettable practice of putting overpowered items in DLCs.

[Revan Reborn]

This actually makes me feel a bit better about gamers. I always figured that if Bio tried something like that DLC plan, these boards would be clogged with people whining. Something like "Bio's selling us an incomplete game and finishing it later!"

The problem with gamers is they are ignorant of how game development works. The moment they hear DLC/expansion content is announced before release of the game, they instantly jump to the conclusion content has been cut from the base game. That's not how it works. In the case of The Witcher 3, the base game has been content complete for a few months. The reason it was delayed was for polishing and bug fixing. Regardless of the two delays, dlc and expansions were always planned further down the road. How people can rationalize a 10-hour story and a 20-hour story with a brand new environment as being cut from the base game is beyond me.

 

What's funny is BioWare obviously had the same process with Jaws of Hakkon. The difference is that BioWare did not announce they were working on this DLC add-on. Don't fool yourself into believing they hadn't started development on this before DAI was released. Had BioWare stated this was coming before launch, people would have been up and arms as well. It's just a lack of understanding how long it takes to make something go from concept into actual being.

[9TailsFox]

This actually makes me feel a bit better about gamers. I always figured that if Bio tried something like that DLC plan, these boards would be clogged with people whining. Something like "Bio's selling us an incomplete game and finishing it later!"

But this is true. Bioware marketing is only lies. And CDPR give no reason to distrust. Only opposite. Witcher 2 was good full complete game they still made extended cut.

[Il Divo]

Hey, if you are one of the few who didn't like Awakening, more power to you. Based on the fact BioWare created an ultimate edition with the main game and Awakening included that sold very well and the fact I've never heard others criticize the expansion, I believe you'd be in the minority on that one.

 

 

Well, I'd say that's pretty weak reasoning as it is. I've seen deals in the past offered for both Deus Ex and Invisible War. I guess everyone really must have loved that sequel, eh? 

 

As it is, I'd say "universally loved" is a gross overstatement. 

[Revan Reborn]

Would the vast majority of players even think of Zaeed and Shale as DLC characters? They come with the game if you bought it new. I discuss Zaeed or Shale in the right context, but the only time I can recall discussing the Stone Prisoner DLC per se is when we're talking about Bio's regrettable practice of putting overpowered items in DLCs.

This isn't entirely accurate. With Zaeed and Javik, I'm fairly certain you had to purchase the limited editions of ME2 and ME3. If you just bought the base game, you had to buy them as separate DLC. With Shale, I'm pretty sure you had to at least pre-order DAO. Otherwise, why is he a separate DLC for purchase if he comes with a new purchase of the base game?

 

Either way, you are playing semantics. We don't even need to discuss companion DLC. We can focus on other DLC like the two added for ME1. Neither one was well-received and nobody talks about them. The only DLC from ME2 that was talked about immensely was Lair of the Shadow Broker for obvious reasons. Arrival would come in second as it was a mere bridge between ME2 and ME3.

 

Lastly, size of the content and the impact of the story matter. While many may have appreciated the many little updates in DAO, most will always look to Awakening as the shining example of how to do post-release content right.

[Revan Reborn]

Well, I'd say that's pretty weak reasoning as it is. I've seen deals in the past offered for both Deus Ex and Invisible War. I guess everyone really must have loved that sequel, eh? 

Not really. EA doesn't do something if it's not profitable. Including Awakening with the base game was obviously profitable, so they went ahead and did it. This isn't rocket science. The only reason Awakening probably even happened is because it was likely already a concept before EA bought out BioWare in 2007. BioWare had been working on Dragon Age since as early as 2004 after they finished KotOR I.