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[Revan Reborn]

You said up front that you considered Dragonborn an expansion.  Whenever I asked you to tell me why it was an expansion as opposed to Jaws of hakkon, you responded that it was due to content.  You never said "It's not an expansion, it's just like one".  So you didn't just say it, you defended it (ineffectively).  Try and change your story all you like, it doesn't change what you've said.

 

I know I can't tell you otherwise.  You're apparently ruled by an internal narrative that has little to do with what's actually true or said.

 

What you proved is a failure in reading comprehension.

I personally do because it has many aspects of what would be a traditional expansion from BGS. They don't even call Dragonborn DLC. They call it a "Game add-on," as a means of separating it. Watch the trailer, yourself, since you don't believe anything I say:

 

I know you are trying to paint me out to be the bad guy here, but I've clearly provided substantial evidene that there was, in the past, a difference between expansions and DLC. That is the focus of this discussion really and nothing else, the fact that CDPR is trying to make a return to expansions and BioWare is sticking to DLCs and admitted they weren't doing expansions for DAI.

 

Using my own lines, cute.

 

I'll let my good friend Corypheus sum up this thread:
 "I once read this thread in order to serve the old gods in person. I found only chaos and corruption. Dead whispers. For more than a dozen pages I was confused. No more! For I have seen the the arguments of the OP and they were empty."

 

Yeah, basically all just random assumptions, completely subjective interpretation sold as certainty and praises for content that hasn't even been released yet (Import function for TW3 will make a huge impact? LOL, I'll only believe that once I see it. The one in TW2 was so bad it made Bioware imports look god-tier like in comparison. And Biowares import has little impact to begin with. Honestly even if it was just put in late in developement as an afterthought I'd say no import function at all would have been better.). Oh and let's not forget constantly passiv-agressivly belittleing the cognitive abilities of other posters whenever someone points out the hilariously faulty argumentation.

 

So in conclusion I say, somebody needs to give this blighted thread the nation and god it requires or something along those lines.

You have an interesting way of interpreting what I've stated. Feel free to do research, recognize why the save import was so minor (it was added in late), and understand what TW3 is actually doing differently. Again, the save import was implemented because fans asked for it as a way to tie the two games together. Your opinion on its effectiveness is irrelevant. All that has transpired is many misconstruing my words or using the Straw Man to derail what is otherwise a valid concern. I have merely corrected those who incorrected stated my points and continued further. I wouldn't even be wasting my time in this thread if I didn't believe this was an honest issue BioWare needs to recognize. You may not care whether BioWare remains relevant for years to come, but I do.

[wolfsite]

 Skyrim DragonBorn was called a DLC right from it release on steam and says so right when you purchase it that it was called a DLC from the beginning. As is Dawnguard and Hearthfire also.

 

Funny thing is they also list The Witcher 3 pass as DLC.

[Revan Reborn]

Found the article I was looking for

 

http://www.gamespot....v/1100-6391019/

 

 

Excerpt

 

"If today's DLCs offered the same amount of content they would be worth paying for, but in most cases players think they are overcharged for what they receive," Tomaszkiewicz said. "That’s why we offer expansions to our game for free. This is also a way of saying 'thank you' to the people who decided to buy our game instead of copying it from an unauthorized source."

 

                                                    CD Projekt Red game director Konrad Tomaszkiewicz

 

 

So this does show that CDProject has changed there stance on things over the years and the people who are complaining have valid criticisms and are concerned that CDPR may decide to do other things that they have originally said was a problem in the industry.

 

 

Now to wait for a certain person to say I can't use this or that it doesn't matter.

I have never claimed CDPR hasn't made PR blunders. All companies do. Unlike you, I will not discount articles and interviews just because there may be "bias" and they are trying to sell a product. Game development is a business. To disregard the word of all developers because they are trying to sell you something is ridiculous and nonsensical. Does that make sense?

 

 Skyrim DragonBorn was called a DLC right from it release on steam and says so right when you purchase it that it was called a DLC from the beginning. As is Dawnguard and Hearthfire also.

Steam (i.e. Valve) did not create Dragonborn, Dawnguard, or Skyrim. The only official source to determine what that content is comes from BGS in their official trailers. I linked the Dragonborn trailer above. You can see the term "DLC" is nowhere to be found.

[wolfsite]

I have never claimed CDPR hasn't made PR blunders. All companies do. Unlike you, I will not discount articles and interviews just because there may be "bias" and they are trying to sell a product. Game development is a business. To disregard the word of all developers because they are trying to sell you something is ridiculous and nonsensical. Does that make sense?

 

Steam (i.e. Vale) did not create Dragonborn, Dawnguard, or Skyrim. The only official source to determine what that "game add-on" content is comes from BGS in their official trailers. I liked the Dragonborn trailer above. You can see the term "DLC" is nowhere to be found.

 

 

and the fact you keep missing the point is just adorable.

[MisterJB]

while all of the many DLC/add-ons in Fallout 3 are forgettable and I can't even name one. 

Point Lookout was great all around. It presented a large area that was vastly different from the Capital Wasteland, it created an actually scary atmosphere worthy of both slasher movies and Lovecraftian fiction and it even gave us gameplay that differed from anything Fallout 3 itself had.

The Pitt was also decent. The story was dreadfully short and sidequests are non existent but the atmosphere and scenery were memorable.

[Revan Reborn]

Point Lookout was great all around. It presented a large area that was vastly different from the Capital Wasteland, it created an actually scary atmosphere worthy of both slasher movies and Lovecraftian fiction and it even gave us gameplay that differed from anything Fallout 3 itself had.

The Pitt was also decent. The story was dreadfully short and sidequests are non existent but the atmosphere and scenery were memorable.

All I personally remember was Liberty Prime, merely because of how over-the-top it was. The point that was being made is DLC packs are more prone to be forgettable or have less of an impact. That's not true with all of them, but it is with many of them. Whereas Bloodmoon, Tribunal, and Shivering Isles were massive successes. Part of it is because they were just high quality, but because they also offered a substantial experience at a reasonable price. They added new campaigns to the base game.

[Heimdall]

I personally do because it has many aspects of what would be a traditional expansion from BGS. They don't even call Dragonborn DLC. They call it a "Game add-on," as a means of separating it. Watch the trailer, yourself, since you don't believe anything I say:

 

I know you are trying to paint me out to be the bad guy here, but I've clearly provided substantial evidene that there was, in the past, a difference between expansions and DLC. That is the focus of this discussion really and nothing else, the fact that CDPR is trying to make a return to expansions and BioWare is sticking to DLCs and admitted they weren't doing expansions for DAI.

Now you're moving the goal post.  That has never been the argument.

 

Right when this discussion first started Exile elaborated that there was a historical distinction between DLC and expansions due to the necessity of the distribution method.  DLCs had to be small.  Larger content was always sold in hard copies.  I agreed with him.  What we've been arguing is that the term doesn't hold any significant meaning now and the distinction you cling to is quite trivial, purely relating the quantity of content, which by the second article you insisted on citing relates the same thing we've been saying: the term expansion is synonymous with a big DLC offering.  That's what we're telling you, the distinction is entirely arbitrary.  What you insist on labeling it doesn't matter, its the same thing.

 

If you agreed with that, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but you insist this distinction is relevant now.  Your stubborn insistence on a distinction that has meaning only in nostalgia hasn't proven anything.  Declaring those articles as proof does not make them so, they actually contradict your points.

 

I don't think you're the bad guy.  I just think you're making a distinction that's not worth making, nor relevant to the modern industry.

[Revan Reborn]

Now you're moving the goal post.  That has never been the argument.

 

Right when this discussion first started Exile elaborated that there was a historical distinction between DLC and expansions due to the necessity of the distribution method.  DLCs had to be small.  Larger content was always sold in hard copies.  I agreed with him.  What we've been arguing is that the term doesn't hold any significant meaning now and the distinction you cling to is quite trivial, purely relating the quantity of content, which by the second article you insisted on citing relates the same thing we've been saying: the term expansion is synonymous with a big DLC offering.  That's what we're telling you, the distinction is entirely arbitrary.  What you insist on labeling it doesn't matter, its the same thing.

 

If you agreed with that, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but you insist this distinction is relevant now.  Your stubborn insistence on a distinction that has meaning only in nostalgia hasn't proven anything.  Declaring those articles as proof does not make them so, they actually contradict your points.

 

I don't think you're the bad guy.  I just think you're making a distinction that's not worth making, nor relevant to the modern industry.

I completely understand the point you are trying to make. However, CDPR is trying to make that distinction clear again, and many are jumping on the bandwagon calling foul. Whether that's true or not is yet to be seen, but there did used to be a difference, and if CDPR is genuine in their intent, it's something for BioWare to watch closely. That is all I'm suggesting.

 

If the two "expansions" in the "expansion pass" are nothing more than "big dlcs," then you can say "told you so" and we'll see how BioWare responds. However, I'm merely making a point that some of the community misses traditional expansions and that DLCs haven't always been as successful in more recent times.

[wolfsite]

Okay here are the main issues that people have with this Expansion pass as it is quite clear things have went off track, collided with some boulders, while carrying some radioactive waste, then getting caught on fire......is the Internet great for debates and discussion or what..

 

 

-CDPR has stated in the past that charging for DLC and expansions is bad as consumers feel they are getting overcharged, but they start changing there message to "Well we might if it's big enough", to "Okay we are charging for content".  this can be seen as a slap in the face for people who first started supporting them for all there pro-consumer business choices as they have slipped back on those favouring profitable business choices.  I see no wrong in a company making money but they have for years banged the free content drum and even made fun of other companies for making Season Passes to buy content not even made yet. which is what they are now doing.

 

-CDPR has also gotten bad Pr from there sister site GOG due to them backpeddling on some of there principles such as regional pricing which they added and region locking of some games which they also started along with losing fixed pricing and introducing a game client which people are afraid will bring in DRM.

 

So for a lot of people they are more afraid that CDProject is going down a slippery slope to being more about profit than consumer satisfaction and are cancelling there pre-orders as a matter of principle in hopes to show them how they feel about it.

 

 

Also in the end It doesn't matter what you feel constitutes an Expansion and DLC as size restrictions on the previous console gen which limited the file size of content(about 2 gigs was the max allowed though some companies got around that like EA releasing Citadel as a two part DLC where you could purchase part 1 and then get Part 2 for free.), with this size limit gone in the current gen console that will hopefully allow for larger DLC which will more closely resemble the scope of what people see an expansion as.

[Revan Reborn]

Okay here are the main issues that people have with this Expansion pass as it is quite clear things have went off track, collided with some boulders, while carrying some radioactive waste, then getting caught on fire.

 

 

-CDPR has stated in the past that charging for DLC and expansions is bad as consumers feel they are getting overcharged, but they start changing there message to "Well we might if it's big enough", to "Okay we are charging for content".  this can be seen as a slap in the face for people who first started supporting them for all there pro-consumer business choices as they have slipped back on those favouring profitable business choices.  I see no wrong in a company making money but they have for years banged the free content drum and even made fun of other companies for making Season Passes to buy content not even made yet. which is what they are now doing.

 

-CDPR has also gotten bad Pr from there sister site GOG due to them backpeddling on some of there principles such as regional pricing which they added and region locking of some games which they also started along with losing fixed pricing and introducing a game client which people are afraid will bring in DRM.

 

So for a lot of people they are more afraid that CDProject is going down a slippery slope to being more about profit than consumer satisfaction and are cancelling there pre-orders as a matter of principle in hopes to show them how they feel about it.

 

 

Also in the end It doesn't matter what you feel constitutes an Expansion and DLC as size restrictions on the previous console gen which limited the file size of content, with this size limit gone in the current gen console that will hopefully allow for larger DLC which will more closely resemble the scope of what people see an expansion as.

To my knowledge, CDPR always stated they would charge for massive expansions. I believe they even said this as early as the release of TW2 back in 2011 on PC. What they always stated would be free is "DLC," which could be a few quests, gear, hair styles, or even as large as new difficulties, an entire tutorial, an expansion of the ending, and even an arena mode all added in TW2 free of charge. I don't believe they have backpedaled and changed their story. I believe there message has been spun and twisted in a way they never intended.

 

Again, I believe GOG gives store credit to those who buy certain games, like TW3, so that everybody around the globe is paying the same price. This was the only feasible way of doing it without GOG breaking various laws of different countries around the world. This policy hasn't changed as far as I'm aware. GOG is completely DRM free. They have an optional client you can download. I believe it's called "galaxy," but you are in no way required to use it like Steam, UPlay, or Origin.

 

Those who are cancelling their pre-orders and crying wolf merely do not have all the facts. I've been following CDPR since 2007, and while they may not always accurate convey their message (English isn't their first language), I have not seen this nefarious and condescending tone you suggest in their PR. They certainly make a big deal to say how gamer-friendly they are and how they try to do what's best for the community. This isn't an overstatement when they have delivered time and time again. They removed the DRM from TW2, they gave all owners of the game a free copy of GOG, plus extra content, they made all the DLC and extra content in TW2 free, and they continued to support and improve the game in many ways, such as modding, updates, etc.

 

I won't say CDPR is a victim, but I wouldn't call them hypocrites either. Regardless, their message and PR is not germane to the call of the topic. It is the substance of their content that matters, and if they truly do release two traditional expansions, that will be a challenge to all AAA developers in the industry to step their game up. I personally hope CDPR does deliver on their promise of two expansions as that will force others to actually counter their policies and deliver equally-competitive content. Competition is good. I don't see why anybody would be against that.

[Void-Creature]

How about we all hold off on the Witcher 3 vs. DA: I debates until the Witcher 3 actually comes out. I'm excited as hell for it, but all we have right now is the advertising campaign. Until we pick it up an play it, debating the finer points of both is impossible.

[Heimdall]

I completely understand the point you are trying to make. However, CDPR is trying to make that distinction clear again, and many are jumping on the bandwagon calling foul. Whether that's true or not is yet to be seen, but there did used to be a difference, and if CDPR is genuine in their intent, it's something for BioWare to watch closely. That is all I'm suggesting.

 

If the two "expansions" in the "expansion pass" are nothing more than "big dlcs," then you can say "told you so" and we'll see how BioWare responds. However, I'm merely making a point that some of the community misses traditional expansions and that DLCs haven't always been as successful in more recent times.

That's the thing.  They're trying to make a distinction that doesn't exist.  The only difference between "big dlc" and "expansion" is the label.  Wake up.  CDPR is using the term as a marketing ploy to get your attention, because it knows that old school fans have a nostalgic attachment to the term.  It doesn't indicate anything as to the quality of the content, or whether it will be worth your money.

 

Bioware should take note, only if the model turns out to be financially successful.  Until it does, it doesn't matter.

 

Also "DLCs haven't always been as successful in more recent times." 

Individual DLCs, maybe, but as a whole Bioware's franchise DLC has sold pretty well.

[wolfsite]

To my knowledge, CDPR always stated they would charge for massive expansions. I believe they even said this as early as the release of TW2 back in 2011 on PC. What they always stated would be free is "DLC," which could be a few quests, gear, hair styles, or even as large as new difficulties, an entire tutorial, an expansion of the ending, and even an arena mode all added in TW2 free of charge. I don't believe they have backpedaled and changed their story. I believe there message has been spun and twisted in a way they never intended.

 

Again, I believe GOG gives store credit to those who buy certain games, like TW3, so that everybody around the globe is paying the same price. This was the only feasible way of doing it without GOG breaking various laws of different countries around the world. This policy hasn't changed as far as I'm aware. GOG is completely DRM free. They have an optional client you can download. I believe it's called "galaxy," but you are in no way required to use it like Steam, UPlay, or Origin.

 

Those who are cancelling their pre-orders and crying wolf merely do not have all the facts. I've been following CDPR since 2007, and while they may not always accurate convey their message (English isn't their first language), I have not seen this nefarious and condescending tone you suggest in their PR. They certainly make a big deal to say how gamer-friendly they are and how they try to do what's best for the community. This isn't an overstatement when they have delivered time and time again. They removed the DRM from TW2, they gave all owners of the game a free copy of GOG, plus extra content, they made all the DLC and extra content in TW2 free, and they continued to support and improve the game in many ways, such as modding, updates, etc.

 

I won't say CDPR is a victim, but I wouldn't call them hypocrites either. Regardless, their message and PR is not germane to the call of the topic. It is the substance of their content that matters, and if they truly do release two traditional expansions, that will be a challenge to all AAA developers in the industry to step their game up. I personally hope CDPR does deliver on their promise of two expansions as that will force others to actually counter their policies and deliver equally-competitive content. Competition is good. I don't see why anybody would be against that.

 

-I just linked you an article where they stated all content would free so in that respect you are wrong in your assumption.

 

-For the regional price stuff I suggest you visit the GOG forums as it is clear the store credit is not really balancing out in a few aspects.

 

- The people cancelling there pre-orders are not crying wolf so please don't just dismiss them because they go against your preconceived viewpoint.  They have every right to be concerned about these practices as what if they start charging for DLC they normally gave for free (for some people they feel they are already doing this if you factor in expanded Editions of the first 2 Witcher games which were free and offered content that could equal what they are claiming is in the expansion pass though we will not know for sure until it is released).  Also what if they decide to release other paid DLC that is not included in the Expansion pass (2K has done this in the past).  They have valid concerns and they have every right to cancel there pre-order if they do not feel they want to support the company with these new policies in place.

[Revan Reborn]

That's the thing.  They're trying to make a distinction that doesn't exist.  The only difference between "big dlc" and "expansion" is the label.  Wake up.  CDPR is using the term as a marketing ploy to get your attention, because it knows that old school fans have a nostalgic attachment to the term.  It doesn't indicate anything as to the quality of the content, or whether it will be worth your money.

 

Bioware should take note, only if the model turns out to be financially successful.  Until it does, it doesn't matter.

 

Also "DLCs haven't always been as successful in more recent times." 

Individual DLCs, maybe, but as a whole Bioware's franchise DLC has sold pretty well.

I'm not suggesting that isn't part of CDPR's marketing strategy. That being said, I have no reason to be overly-suspicious of CDPR either. They went above and beyond to fix, improve, and add to TW2. I have never played a game in which a developer supported a game for so long and offered so much free content in a variety of ways, not to mention eradicating the DRM. I recognize others may not have the same positive experience I've had with CDPR (perhaps they haven't been there since the beginning on PC), but until CDPR gives me reason to doubt them, I have no reason to.

 

Regardless of the term, if the content they deliver is massive, impressive, and has large amounts of detail, it's something everybody has to consider especially at the price they are asking.

[Revan Reborn]

-I just linked you an article where they stated all content would free so in that respect you are wrong in your assumption.

 

-For the regional price stuff I suggest you visit the GOG forums as it is clear the store credit is not really balancing out in a few aspects.

 

- The people cancelling there pre-orders are not crying wolf so please don't just dismiss them because they go against your preconceived viewpoint.  They have every right to be concerned about these practices as what if they start charging for DLC they normally gave for free (for some people they feel they are already doing this if you factor in expanded Editions of the first 2 Witcher games which were free and offered content that could equal what they are claiming is in the expansion pass though we will not know for sure until it is released).  Also what if they decide to release other paid DLC that is not included in the Expansion pass (2K has done this in the past).  They have valid concerns and they have every right to cancel there pre-order if they do not feel they want to support the company with these new policies in place.

The question would be when was that article was published? How can my assumption be wrong when CDPR stated they would charge for large expansions four years ago? You may want to reconsider your statement.

 

I'd have to look into that. Even if they weren't able to equalize prices entirely, the fact they are doing something, unlike Steam and every other digital retailer, is better than nothing.

 

They are crying wolf because CDPR has no history of nefarious practices, which is why they have the gamer-friendly reputation they always make an effort to promote. If you want to assume to worst and crucify CDPR on things that could happen rather than what is actually happening, then feel free. I'd call that borderline insane and being out of touch with the reality. But, if you want to reject a game because "there might be DLC later that might cost money they aren't talking about," that's rather ridiculous.

[KaiserShep]

How about we all hold off on the Witcher 3 vs. DA: I debates until the Witcher 3 actually comes out. I'm excited as hell for it, but all we have right now is the advertising campaign. Until we pick it up an play it, debating the finer points of both is impossible.

True enough. It seems weird how it's already being held in high regard before it's even been played. It could turn out to be the cat's sexy pajamas, but the jury's still out.

[wolfsite]

The question would be when was that article was published? How can my assumption be wrong when CDPR stated they would charge for large expansions four years ago? You may want to reconsider your statement.

 

I'd have to look into that. Even if they weren't able to equalize prices entirely, the fact they are doing something, unlike Steam and every other digital retailer, is better than nothing.

 

They are crying wolf because CDPR has no history of nefarious practices, which is why they have the gamer-friendly reputation they always make an effort to promote. If you want to assume to worst and crucify CDPR on things that could happen rather than what is actually happening, then feel free. I'd call that borderline insane and being out of touch with the reality. But, if you want to reject a game because "there might be DLC later that might cost money they aren't talking about," that's rather ridiculous.

Again please stop assuming things.

 

CDPR has gone from:

 - not charging for DLC (this is where people jumped on board as they liked this)

 - thinking about it but still focusing on free DLC

 - charging for DLC

 

This right clearly shows that they have gone against there founding principles and leaves the door wide open for them to backpeddle on other ideals they have long touted.  So I am not making an assumption on this as CDPR has clearly went back on one of the fundamental principles that people loved them for.

 

Part two people are concerned that they are turning into every other digital retailer which goes against what a lot of people moved to GOG for, this is again a valid concern.

 

Part three they are not crying wolf as CDPR is changing there stance on polices which not that long ago they were against, so people have every right to cancel a pre-order if a policy changed to something they no longer agree with.  They have every right to be concerned if CDPR and GOG are slowly turning into another Activision or Ubi-soft.  Many are also upset because they have gone on record several times stating they would never forget there founding principles but they have been slowly changing these principles which can be a deal breaker if someone first began purchasing from them because of those principles.

 

Please also do not make me look like I'm assuming the worse or wanting to crucify CDPR as I am merely pointing out issues that people are currently having with them.  The fact I run the GOG sales thread on this very forum shows I support the GOG platform.

[Revan Reborn]

True enough. It seems weird how it's already being held in high regard before it's even been played. It could turn out to be the cat's sexy pajamas, but the jury's still out.

It's not as if we don't know "anything" about TW3. Extensive gameplay has been shown, more than many probably realize. This thread, in particular, isn't even focusing on the game, itself. What the thread is considering is CDPR's alleged return to expansions and how BioWare and others should respond. I just made a note that I enjoyed expansions in the past more so than I have enjoyed DLCs of today. If CDPR really does make two expansions at such an affordable price, it should put BioWare and others on their toes. 16 free DLC updates and two expansions (or big DLC updates if that makes you feel better) for $24.99 is far better than what BioWare has offered with any of their current games since DAO.

[wolfsite]

It's not as if we don't know "anything" about TW3. Extensive gameplay has been shown, more than many probably realize. This thread, in particular, isn't even focusing on the game, itself. What the thread is considering is CDPR's alleged return to expansions and how BioWare and others should respond. I just made a note that I enjoyed expansions in the past more so than I have enjoyed DLCs of today. If CDPR really does make two expansions at such an affordable price, it should put BioWare and others on their toes. 16 free DLC updates and two expansions (or big DLC updates if that makes you feel better) for $24.99 is far better than what BioWare has offered with any of their current games since DAO.

 

So you are saying that two DLC/Expansions that have not even made it out of planning stage yet is better than any DLC has offered in games since DAO...... Half-Life 3 confirmed.

[Revan Reborn]

Again please stop assuming things.

 

CDPR has gone from:

 - not charging for DLC (this is where people jumped on board as they liked this)

 - thinking about it but still focusing on free DLC

 - charging for DLC

 

This right clearly shows that they have gone against there founding principles and leaves the door wide open for them to backpeddle on other ideals they have long touted.  So I am not making an assumption on this as CDPR has clearly went back on one of the fundamental principles that people loved them for.

 

Part two people are concerned that they are turning into every other digital retailer which goes against what a lot of people moved to GOG for, this is again a valid concern.

 

Part three they are not crying wolf as CDPR is changing there stance on polices which not that long ago they were against, so people have every right to cancel a pre-order if a policy changed to something they no longer agree with.  They have every right to be concerned if CDPR and GOG are slowly turning into another Activision or Ubi-soft.  Many are also upset because they have gone on record several times stating they would never forget there founding principles but they have been slowly changing these principles which can be a deal breaker if someone first began purchasing from them because of those principles.

 

Please also do not make me look like I'm assuming the worse or wanting to crucify CDPR as I am merely pointing out issues that people are currently having with them.  The fact I run the GOG sales thread on this very forum shows I support the GOG platform.

Alright. I'm going to have to embarass you if you keep lying about CDPR. Here is proof that during the release of TW2 on PC, they have been rather transparent that DLC would be free, but an "expansion pack" would not. The reason I'm disregarding your statement is because you are patently wrong. I apologize for being harsh, but you continue to slander CDPR without cause or evidence to support your claim.

 

http://www.giantbomb...ansi/1100-3203/

 

GOG has no DRM. GOG has comparable sales to Steam, if not better, that are happening all of the time. GOG offers games you can't get anywhere else. I fail to see how GOG is becoming more like Steam, UPlay, and Origin.

 

That is the crux of the whole argument, there is no evidence to suggest CDPR is turning into Ubisoft, Activision, or EA. It's purely hearsay and scare tactics from folks, like yourself, who are rationalizing and fear-baiting for reasons I don't understand. You want to be suspicious and treat everything CDPR does as a crime? More power to you. I'm going to stick with the facts and what they've actually done in the past eight years. Thanks.

[Revan Reborn]

So you are saying that two DLC/Expansions that have not even made it out of planning stage yet is better than any DLC has offered in games since DAO...... Half-Life 3 confirmed.

I'm stating 30 hours of content for $24.99 is a better offer than any developer has done for many years. Keep trolling.

[wolfsite]

Alright. I'm going to have to embarass you if you keep lying about CDPR. Here is proof that during the release of TW2 on PC, they have been rather transparent that DLC would be free, but an "expansion pack" would not. The reason I'm disregarding your statement is because you are patently wrong. I apologize for being harsh, but you continue to slander CDPR without cause or evidence to support your claim.

 

http://www.giantbomb...ansi/1100-3203/

 

GOG has no DRM. GOG has comparable sales to Steam, if not better, that are happening all of the time. GOG offers games you can't get anywhere else. I fail to see how GOG is becoming more like Steam, UPlay, and Origin.

 

That is the crux of the whole argument, there is no evidence to suggest CDPR is turning into Ubisoft, Activision, or EA. It's purely hearsay and scare tactics from folks, like yourself, who are rationalizing and fear-baiting for reasons I don't understand. You want to be suspicious and treat everything CDPR does as a crime? More power to you. I'm going to stick with the facts and what they've actually done in the past eight years. Thanks.

I never claimed any of this... PLEASE READ MY POSTS BEFORE YOU RESPOND.

 

I clearly stated that these are people concerns and fears.

 

For someone sticking to the facts you are missing a lot that people are pointing you directly to,.

http://www.gamespot....v/1100-6391019/

 

This article (which you conveniently decided not to read) clearly had CDPR stating they would not charge for Expansions.  So You are wrong in this regard

 

So in the future please read the topics and clicking the links to read the articles as it will make things much easier than just assuming everyone is just against CDPR.

 

 

I am also very aware that GOG has no DRM.  I clearly stated that people are afraid that they may implement DRM not that they are going to be implementing it, which you would have realized if you actually read my posts.

 

Also I am not making any scare tactics.  You are just trying to paint me into a corner so you can just dismiss me.  Again please read the posts before you respond.

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Found the article I was looking for

 

http://www.gamespot....v/1100-6391019/

 

 

Excerpt

 

"If today's DLCs offered the same amount of content they would be worth paying for, but in most cases players think they are overcharged for what they receive," Tomaszkiewicz said. "That’s why we offer expansions to our game for free. This is also a way of saying 'thank you' to the people who decided to buy our game instead of copying it from an unauthorized source."

 

                                                    CD Projekt Red game director Konrad Tomaszkiewicz

 

 

So this does show that CDProject has changed there stance on things over the years and the people who are complaining have valid criticisms and are concerned that CDPR may decide to do other things that they have originally said was a problem in the industry.

 

 

Now to wait for a certain person to say I can't use this or that it doesn't matter.

By the way, just to come full circle and show you how silly you look, you are misinterpreting Tomaszkiewicz's words. Watch closely.

 

When referring to DLC, he quickly states afterwards that all expansions (not expansion packs) of the game would be free. Later in the same article, he even explicitly states "expansion packs" were worth the price given what they offered the player. You aren't reading closely enough to see he really means to say "DLC" when he said expansions. Whereas, when he's referring to expansion backs in the good old days, he makes that rather clear.

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I'm stating 30 hours of content for $24.99 is a better offer than any developer has done for many years. Keep trolling.

not if that 30 hours is of very poor quality.  Again stop assuming.

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By the way, just to come full circle and show you how silly you look, you are misinterpreting Tomaszkiewicz's words? Watch closely.

 

When referring to DLC, he quickly states afterwards that all expansions (not expansion packs) of the game would be free. Later in the same article, he even explicitly states "expansion packs" were worth the price given what they offered the player. You aren't reading closely enough to see he really means to say "DLC" when he said expansions. Whereas, when he's referring to expansion backs in the good old days, he makes that rather clear.

I did, you are just trying to twist something to fit your viewpoint, again please stop this.