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[Revan Reborn]

I never claimed any of this... PLEASE READ MY POSTS BEFORE YOU RESPOND.

 

I clearly stated that these are people concerns and fears.

 

For someone sticking to the facts you are missing a lot that people are pointing you directly to,.

http://www.gamespot....v/1100-6391019/

 

This article (which you conveniently decided not to read) clearly had CDPR stating they would not charge for Expansions.  So You are wrong in this regard

 

So in the future please read the topics and clicking the links to read the articles as it will make things much easier than just assuming everyone is just against CDPR.

 

 

I am also very aware that GOG has no DRM.  I clearly stated that people are afraid that they may implement DRM not that they are going to be implementing it, which you would have realized if you actually read my posts.

 

Also I am not making any scare tactics.  You are just trying to paint me into a corner so you can just dismiss me.  Again please read the posts before you respond.

I'll say this one last time. Expansions mean "DLC" in your article whereas when he's talking about something entirely different, he specifies "expansion packs" which were worth the price. Really, and you were accusing me of not reading what I link...

[Equalitas]

CD is doing it very fair and good for the consumer. Two expansions thats is around 40 hours long for 25USD. Thats about all the Mass effect SP dlc combined for me. And how much did ME dlc cost a piece.  And they are doing PR that is good PR and without saying a ****** word to me.



 

[Revan Reborn]

I did, you are just trying to twist something to fit your viewpoint, again please stop this.

I linked an article showing CDPR would charge for expansion packs in 2011 and make DLC free. You disregard this and post your own article, which was published a year later, saying the same exact thing. Yet, you cry foul because he used the word "expansions of the game" to describe DLC when he later says "expansion packs" which he states are worth the money.

 

This discussion is clearly over. Your own evidence is against you and yet you are still arguing and blatantly attacking CDPR with no cause. I don't care anymore. Believe what you want and crucify who you will. You seem to easily jump to conclusions. All I care about is BioWare improving their model and watching a developer who is not nearly as bad nor as contradictory as you claim. Good day to you.

[badboy64]

I have never claimed CDPR hasn't made PR blunders. All companies do. Unlike you, I will not discount articles and interviews just because there may be "bias" and they are trying to sell a product. Game development is a business. To disregard the word of all developers because they are trying to sell you something is ridiculous and nonsensical. Does that make sense?

 

Steam (i.e. Valve) did not create Dragonborn, Dawnguard, or Skyrim. The only official source to determine what that content is comes from BGS in their official trailers. I linked the Dragonborn trailer above. You can see the term "DLC" is nowhere to be found.

But Bethesda would of said to steam to list it as a expansion from the beginning when it was released in stead of a DLC. I bought the this on the day it was released and it was listed as a DLC right from the start.

[Revan Reborn]

CD is doing it very fair and good for the consumer. Two expansions thats is around 40 hours long for 25USD. Thats about all the Mass effect SP dlc combined for me. And how much did ME dlc cost a piece.  And they are doing PR that is good PR and without saying a ****** word to me.



 

Yep. Speak the truth. BioWare, and most AAA developers, nickels and dimes us for short DLCs. CDPR is actually giving us a third of their game at a normal season pass price. It doesn't take the average person to recognize which developer has the better post-release business model for gamers. As long as BioWare is watching, that's all that matters.

[Revan Reborn]

But Bethesda would of said to steam to list it as a expansion from the beginning when it was released in stead of a DLC. I bought the this on the day it was released and it was listed as a DLC right from the start.

Dawnguard and Dragonborn aren't expansions either. As BGS stated, they are "game add-ons." Call it semantics if you will. My point is BGS has never officially used that term with their post-release content. Just because others do doesn't mean it's accurate or right. Again, when dealing with issues of post-release content, I will go to the primary source, not a 3rd party retailer trying to make a profit.

[wolfsite]

I'll say this one last time. Expansions mean "DLC" in your article whereas when he's talking about something entirely different, he specifies "expansion packs" which were worth the price. Really, and you were accusing me of not reading what I link...

Wow, when it comes to missing the point you are truly a master.  All you are doing is attacking me when I am merely pointing out evidence that supports the concerns that people have with these policy changes.  I have shown that they have gone from all additional expansion and content is free to some is free while other is pay.

 

I have no problem with this as I have said many, many, many, many times - a company does need to bring in income to support future projects.  I am again pointing out to you that people are concerned but you seem to think I have a problem with them which I don't.  Only person who seems to want to crucify anything is you as you are just jumping to conclusions and assuming everyone is against CDPR just because they are looking at peoples concerns with an open mind.

 

People don't want CDPR to go the way of certain triple AAA developers and publishers so they are showing this with there wallets in hopes that it will show them that these current practices are not what they want to support.

 

So once again I am just pointing out people's valid concerns about this.  You just seem to enjoy dismissing anything that goes against your assumptions and labeling those who state anything against it, whether or not it is there opinion or merely stating the concerns of others, as trolls or people wanting the fall of CDPR.

 

If the content turns out to be good content that is great for the people who bought it.  But to other people it represents a company they believe in leaving there founding principles behind.

[Revan Reborn]

Wow, when it comes to missing the point you are truly a master.  All you are doing is attacking me when I am merely pointing out evidence that supports the concerns that people have with these policy changes.  I have shown that they have gone from all additional expansion and content is free to some is free while other is pay.

 

I have no problem with this as I have said many, many, many, many times - a company does need to bring in income to support future projects.  I am again pointing out to you that people are concerned but you seem to think I have a problem with them which I don't.  Only person who seems to want to crucify anything is you as you are just jumping to conclusions and assuming everyone is against CDPR just because they are looking at peoples concerns with an open mind.

 

People don't want CDPR to go the way of certain triple AAA developers and publishers so they are showing this with there wallets in hopes that it will show them that these current practices are not what they want to support.

 

So once again I am just pointing out people's valid concerns about this.  You just seem to enjoy dismissing anything that goes against your assumptions and labeling those who state anything against it, whether or not it is there opinion or merely stating the concerns of others, as trolls or people wanting the fall of CDPR.

 

If the content turns out to be good content that is great for the people who bought it.  But to other people it represents a company they believe in leaving there founding principles behind.

You have consistently lied about CDPR's policy towards DLC and expansion packs. I linked you an article at the release of TW2 in 2011 to invalidate all of your erroneous claims. Yet, you still continue to ignore the facts and ramble on about how CDPR is falling apart at the seams and everybody has a right to criticize and cancel their pre-orders. Just admit you were wrong about CDPR's post-release content philosophy and we can all move on. I won't think lesser of you.

 

Until CDPR actually does something to warrant concern, there is no reason to panick. I've already proven you were patently wrong about their DLC and expansion policy. GOG is a better online retailer with more flexibility than anybody else. The only moment you will have the right and legitimacy to complain about CDPR is if their expansion pass is trash and not worth the $24.99 being asked when it's released.

 

Until then, all of your points are purely hearsay with no support nor reason, other than to bash on CDPR for no rational purpose. Really, you should hope the expansion pass is a smashing success, as that will hopefully motivate BioWare to be even better.

[badboy64]

Dawnguard and Dragonborn aren't expansions either. As BGS stated, they are "game add-ons." Call it semantics if you will. My point is BGS has never officially used that term with their post-release content. Just because others do doesn't mean it's accurate or right. Again, when dealing with issues of post-release content, I will go to the primary source, not a 3rd party retailer trying to make a profit.

Try and buy it from their site directly and this what happens. It can only be purchased through Steam store only and it is list it as a DLC. You obviously don't have the game period or never played it and the DragonBorn DLC. Skyrim can only be installed by installing steam along side it.

http://bethsoft.com/...ames/dragonborn

[Giantdeathrobot]

You have consistently lied about CDPR's policy towards DLC and expansion packs. I linked you an article at the release of TW2 in 2011 to invalidate all of your erroneous claims. Yet, you still continue to ignore the facts and ramble on about how CDPR is falling apart at the seams and everybody has a right to criticize and cancel their pre-orders. Just admit you were wrong about CDPR's post-release content philosophy and we can all move on. I won't think lesser of you.

 

Until CDPR actually does something to warrant concern, there is no reason to panick. I've already proven you were patently wrong about their DLC and expansion policy. GOG is a better online retailer with more flexibility than anybody else. The only moment you will have the right and legitimacy to complain about CDPR is if their expansion pass is trash and not worth the $24.99 being asked when it's released.

 

Until then, all of your points are purely hearsay with no support nor reason, other than to bash on CDPR for no rational purpose.

 

Yes, you are the only rational person and everyone else is bashing CDPR for no reason. That's how the world works. Keep on fighting the good fight.

 

Or you could just admit that things aren't as black and white as you claim them to be. That we can criticize certains aspects of their policy without being ''haters''. But I guess that would break the ''I am a lone light shining in the darkness'' narrative you have going.

[Revan Reborn]

Try and buy it from their site directly and this what happens. It can only be purchased through Steam store only and it is list it as a DLC. You obviously don't have the game period or never played it and the DragonBorn DLC. Skyrim can only be installed by installing steam along side it.

http://bethsoft.com/...ames/dragonborn

Yep. I haven't been playing TES games since Morrowind in 2002 and I clearly don't have every numbered TES title (Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim). Yep. I obviously don't know that you can only play Skyrim via Steam and clearly I have not invested hundreds upon hundreds of hours on nexusmods improving the game and having the time of my life... You got me. Good for you.

 

I went to BGS' official website for TES, by the way. I looked where you could buy the game add-ons, and guess what BGS called it: add-ons.

 

http://www.elderscro...skyrim/add-ons/

 

Nice try. Clearly, you haven't played a TES game, nor do you know anything about them.

[Revan Reborn]

Yes, you are the only rational person and everyone else is bashing CDPR for no reason. That's how the world works. Keep on fighting the good fight.

 

Or you could just admit that things aren't as black and white as you claim them to be. That we can criticize certains aspects of their policy without being ''haters''. But I guess that would break the ''I am a lone light shining in the darkness'' narrative you have going.

You are certainly more than welcome to criticize when the actual facts corroborate with your points. Unfortunately, I have already proven that CDPR's PR policy in fact is not contradicting what they said years ago. They've been rather transparent that expansion packs would cost money whereas DLC would be free. Nothing has changed. So yes, you can "criticize," but there really is no reason for you to do so other than for the sake of doing it.

[Giantdeathrobot]

You are certainly more than welcome to criticize when the actual facts corroborate with your points. Unfortunately, I have already proven that CDPR's PR policy in fact is not contradicting what they said years ago. They've been rather transparent that expansion packs would cost money whereas DLC would be free. Nothing has changed. So yes, you can "criticize," but there really is no reason for you to do so other than for the sake of doing it.

 

Your definition of ''proven'' is interesting, is all I'm going to say to that. And my beef isn't even in any perceived contradiction anyway, it's in trying to pass off 2 DLCs as expansions as a marketing move, and then telling people that it's totally not DLC and that they should totally wait before buying their season pass. Then put it up for sale anyway.

 

Had CDPR owned up to the fact that it is, indeed, a season pass designed to sell DLC before release, I would have no complaints at all. Standard industry practice and all that, and some season passes have turned out to be quite worthwhile. But pissing in my cup and calling it wine, is not the sort of message I appreciate, to be quite honest. And season passes are most definitely not a model I'm in any rush for Bioware to adopt either.

[AlanC9]

Had CDPR owned up to the fact that it is, indeed, a season pass designed to sell DLC before release, I would have no complaints at all. Standard industry practice and all that, and some season passes have turned out to be quite worthwhile. But pissing in my cup and calling it wine, is not the sort of message I appreciate, to be quite honest. And season passes are most definitely not a model I'm in any rush for Bioware to adopt either.

I gotta go the other way on this. No harm, no foul, and it's not like we were confused for a second about what CDPR was actually up to with the pass. Most gamers are idiots, and if this stuff works for them, good for CDPR. (Their ability to ship an incomplete game and finish it later, while getting praised for doing it, actually fills me with something like awe.)

[Revan Reborn]

Your definition of ''proven'' is interesting, is all I'm going to say to that. And my beef isn't even in any perceived contradiction anyway, it's in trying to pass off 2 DLCs as expansions as a marketing move, and then telling people that it's totally not DLC and that they should totally wait before buying their season pass. Then put it up for sale anyway.

 

Had CDPR owned up to the fact that it is, indeed, a season pass designed to sell DLC before release, I would have no complaints at all. Standard industry practice and all that, and some season passes have turned out to be quite worthwhile. But pissing in my cup and calling it wine, is not the sort of message I appreciate, to be quite honest. And season passes are most definitely not a model I'm in any rush for Bioware to adopt either.

Well, again, CDPR said before TW2 was even released that DLC would be free and that they would charge for expansion packs. Now, you can argue semantics and try to determine to what degree something is just DLC and to what degree something is just an expansion pack. The way CDPR has described both, DLC is just a few quests, hair styles, gear, etc. Whereas expansion packs are a substantial amount of new content, such as a brand new main story, that expands the game drastically and is worth a fee.

 

You are more than welcome to criticize CDPR for their PR even if they have been clear for four years. Again, this thread here isn't to promote "season passes." This thread is meant to bring awareness that CDPR wants to revive "expansions packs," and that I preferred BioWare's expansion packs to their current DLC scheme. Again, you can argue the usage of words, but BioWare has also made a clear distinction between the two, as has BGS, CDPR, and other major AAA developers. The only ones who seem to argue there is no difference are gamers themselves.

[Sunnie]

OMG... seriously....

 

DLC means DownLoad Content.

 

Expansions and DLC or not mutually exclusive.

 

Expansions in video games is really defined by the developer releasing the content. Technically, anything released that adds content to an existing game IS an expansion of the product. All this BS I keep seeing here is nothing more than Semantic Olympics.

[Revan Reborn]

OMG... seriously....

 

DLC means DownLoad Content.

 

Expansions and DLC or not mutually exclusive.

 

Expansions in video games is really defined by the developer releasing the content. Technically, anything released that adds content to an existing game IS an expansion of the product. All this BS I keep seeing here is nothing more than Semantic Olympics.

You are entitled to your opinion, even if expansion packs have been clearly defined and established. Feel free to search the internet and you can find plenty of expansion packs and DLC. You'll notice expansion packs almost always add brand new stories, new environments, new levels, and much more. DLC can be anything from new hair styles, new armor, new weapons, a house, or anything else that is a minor addition to the game. Thus, there definitely is a difference as an expansion pack has never just been horse armor, for example.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Oh, and while you're busy learning from CDPR, learn how to make one dimentional characters with terrible voice acting

[KaiserShep]

You are entitled to your opinion, even if expansion packs have been clearly defined and established. Feel free to search the internet and you can find plenty of expansion packs and DLC. You'll notice expansion packs almost always add brand new stories, new environments, new levels, and much more. DLC can be anything from new hair styles, new armor, new weapons, a house, or anything else that is a minor addition to the game. Thus, there definitely is a difference as an expansion pack has never just been horse armor, for example.

 

I feel like the distinction isn't all that meaningful, and more like a marketing term to make it seem more substantial. "Expansion" is interchangeable with "story DLC".

[Revan Reborn]

Oh, and while you're busy learning from CDPR, learn how to make one dimentional characters with terrible voice acting

Why would BioWare need to do that? They're already an expert:

[Revan Reborn]

I feel like the distinction isn't all that meaningful, and more like a marketing term to make it seem more substantial. "Expansion" is interchangeable with "story DLC".

Perhaps it is today, but the point still stands that developers still make distinctions. BioWare stated they were not making an expansions for DAI. BGS said it wanted to make game add-on content that was similar to an expansion. CDPR is clearly making reference to expansion packs, which used to be relevance over a decade ago. The distinction is obvious. That doesn't mean there isn't some overlap, as the term "DLC" is ambiguous, and some publishers have used it loosely. This has led to much of the confusion in the gaming community as the world "expansion pack" has almost lost all meaning.

 

Either way, it is the substance of the content that will ultimately matter and what BioWare needs to consider closely. If CDPR does, in fact, make substantial content as they are promising, I expect other developers to counter if they wish to compete. Otherwise, CDPR will have a monopoly on fan support and offer a better deal than any other developer and publisher is willing to offer.

[KaiserShep]

I guess we'll see how substantial these expansions really are. Admittedly, I don't follow CDPR very closely and have only started gathering interest in it based on some of the various arguments that went on here. That and I'm more interested in Cyberpunk 2077 than Witcher (based on what I read and not the stupid ad).

[RobRam10]

Oh, and while you're busy learning from CDPR, learn how to make one dimentional characters with terrible voice acting

Screw you I like Geralt and his voice!

[Revan Reborn]

I guess we'll see how substantial these expansions really are. Admittedly, I don't follow CDPR very closely and have only started gathering interest in it based on some of the various arguments that went on here. That and I'm more interested in Cyberpunk 2077 than Witcher (based on what I read and not the stupid ad).

CDPR has a lot of the same core principles that BioWare has. They believe in great story, great characters, and great choices. TW1 was actually built on the Aurora Engine, which is BioWare's engine that they used for games such as Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. The two companies actually have a long history together, so it's interesting for me to see such a division amongst fans and animosity for one another. I love both companies, and after TW3 is released I'll definitely be looking forward to Cyberpunk 2077. Either way, they are both great companies that make great products. I want them to continually push one another so that both improve.

 

Screw you I like Geralt and his voice!

I agree. Geralt's VO embodies the character perfectly. CDPR couldn't have done a better casting job.

[Sunnie]

You are entitled to your opinion

Sure, but my "opinion" as "you" put it comes from working in the industry for almost 25 years. Irregardless, I doubt you have a professional perspective on the semantics you are misrepresenting as exclusivity. By all means, where it out!