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[Revan Reborn]

Sure, but my "opinion" as "you" put it comes from working in the industry for almost 25 years. Irregardless, I doubt you have a professional perspective on the semantics you are misrepresenting as exclusivity. By all means, where it out!

That's great. I am using source material from various professionals who have been in the industry just as long as you have who are disagreeing with your sentiments. There are two sides to every story. Regardless of your feelings on the term and its usage, certain expectations are tied to both and that's really what the crux of this discussion is all about.

[AlanC9]

Either way, it is the substance of the content that will ultimately matter and what BioWare needs to consider closely. If CDPR does, in fact, make substantial content as they are promising, I expect other developers to counter if they wish to compete. Otherwise, CDPR will have a monopoly on fan support and offer a better deal than any other developer and publisher is willing to offer.

I'm not sure US (or Canadian) developers can win that contest. Last time I checked, CDPR pays something like 1/3 the salaries of a US gaming company, all other factors being equal. (It's nice to book a lot of your revenue in USD but pay your people in zlotys, particularly given the recent strength of the dollar.) There are also cost-of-capital issues, but data on that's hard to come by.

[Revan Reborn]

I'm not sure US (or Canadian) developers can win that contest. Last time I checked, CDPR pays something like 1/3 the salaries of a US gaming company, all other factors being equal. (It's nice to book a lot of your revenue in USD but pay your people in zlotys, particularly given the recent strength of the dollar.) There are also cost-of-capital issues, but data on that's hard to come by.

I don't doubt it. I'm sure being the biggest game developer in Poland has its perks and benefits, similar to 4A Games in Ukraine. 4A Games' studio facilities for their developers were terrible. But, the Metro games are top quality and some of the best shooters I have played in a decade.

 

That being said, EA certainly has more money than CD Projekt Capital Group (CDPR is a subsidiary). However, it's unlikely EA will seriously attempt to compete, unless all the major publishers begin making the same offers that CDPR is. Given Activision and Ubisoft seem to care less what other publishers do, I doubt anyone is going to flinch sadly to CDPR's practices.

 

Well, I can hope that BioWare will always strive to make better content. There's certainly no guarantee of that, but competition, in theory, should at least be a motivating factor.

[SolNebula]

Despite this hating bunch. TW3 is going to be the RPG of 2015. It is going to sell well and a lot of the haters here are going to buy it. Looking forward for a comparison thread in the offtopic section.

[Little Princess Peach]

It was? I'm not certain about either of these things.

I still recall people dissing the Expansion saying it lacked content it was buggy and the lack of romances made it boring and a lot of people where pissed that there LI's never rescued them from the darkspwan and I must be the only person on the fourm that disliked awakening if what acorrding to the OP said is true "Everyone loved it"

[Cyberstrike nTo]

All of those things are typically characteristics. Expansions, as I've stated multiple times, are also standalone experiences that can be played in isolation of the main game. They also used to be sold separately in hard copy form, much like most expansions for MMORPGs. DLC is a broad and ambiguous term, as anything from horse armor to the Citadel is termed "DLC." JoH in many ways is a stripped and miniature expansion of sorts, not big enough nor having enough content, improvements, and additions to the game to justify it being anything more.

 

Expansions: Tribunal, Bloodmoon, Shivering Isles, Awakening

DLC: All of BioWare's post-release content besides Awakening.

 

 

Now as a console gamer I have to I disagree with the isolation since I can't play Shivering Isles without playing The Elder Scrolls IV and I need the core game to get to the in-game location to actually start The Shivering Isles, now maybe it's different on the PC but I doubt it. That is pretty much true with most expansions except for DAO-Awakening (and maybe Saints Row: Gat Out of Hell from I what heard/read about it).  

And to be honest I would say ME3: Citadel is an expansion it took me 3 days to just about everything in it and just as much (if not more) content than Awakening did. Hell I could say the same for some armor and weapon packs for various games I've bought in the last few years.   

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Despite this hating bunch. TW3 is going to be the RPG of 2015. It is going to sell well and a lot of the haters here are going to buy it. Looking forward for a comparison thread in the offtopic section.

 

You're probably right the only other game that might be a contender is Pillars of Enternity. My fear is TW3 is not going to live up to the fan's hype (nevermind the company's hype since that standard) for it and that there will be a terrible let down for them and I will put up with endless bitching and complaining about how the game failed to live up to the fan's hype for, you know just like how every BioWare game now of days gets blasted for the same damn thing. It's only a matter of time for it to happen to CDPR.  

[Heimdall]

Despite this hating bunch. TW3 is going to be the RPG of 2015. It is going to sell well and a lot of the haters here are going to buy it. Looking forward for a comparison thread in the offtopic section.

As far as I can tell, nobody here hates CDPR or expects TW3 to be a flop. They're just tired of people putting them on a pedestal they don't deserve.

[Revan Reborn]

I still recall people dissing the Expansion saying it lacked content it was buggy and the lack of romances made it boring and a lot of people where pissed that there LI's never rescued them from the darkspwan and I must be the only person on the fourm that disliked awakening if what acorrding to the OP said is true "Everyone loved it"

I never experienced bugs. I don't buy BioWare games for romance scenes because they aren't dating simulations. Certainly, there are always those who are exceptions to the rule. But again, the game received overwhelmingly positive reviews and I never heard a negative criticism of the game until I came to the BioWare forums. How ironic...

 

 

Now as a console gamer I have to I disagree with the isolation since I can't play Shivering Isles without playing The Elder Scrolls IV and I need the core game to get to the in-game location to actually start The Shivering Isles, now maybe it's different on the PC but I doubt it. That is pretty much true with most expansions except for DAO-Awakening (and maybe Saints Row: Gat Out of Hell from I what heard/read about it).  

And to be honest I would say ME3: Citadel is an expansion it took me 3 days to just about everything in it and just as much (if not more) content than Awakening did. Hell I could say the same for some armor and weapon packs for various games I've bought in the last few years.   

You would misconstrue what I mean by "isolated" then. Technically you couldn't begin Tribunal either until you went to sleep and were visited by an assassin of the dark brotherhood in the base game. What I'm suggesting is there are very few requirements to actually participate in these expansions. For instance, you don't need to beat Oblivion, or really even play it at all, to go to Shivering Isles. You just need to load the game up and walk to the gate...

 

Citadel wasn't that long. It's by far the longest DLC BioWare made for ME, but it's by no means an expansion in any sense of the word. The main story is rather short and a large portion of it is just going on dates and talking to your companions until the big party at the end. You could certainly just play Awakening separately, but who really did that? I loaded my Warden directly into Awakening before playing it, thus I'd argue it was less "isolated" than actually any of the BGS expansions.

 

As far as I can tell, nobody here hates CDPR or expects TW3 to be a flop. They're just tired of people putting them on a pedestal they don't deserve.

You would be blind then. Half of the comments in here have been nothing but hate against CDPR as a means of trying to awkwardly defend BioWare when the latter needs no defending. Posters are so busy trying to turn this into a competition that it's laughable. I must be one of the few posters here who actually likes both developers. Crazy? Right? The fact that I see one developer who is offering a better deal for DLC should merely incentivize the other to follow suit. That is the point. There is nothing else to discuss.

[LinksOcarina]

 

You're probably right the only other game that might be a contender is Pillars of Enternity. My fear is TW3 is not going to live up to the fan's hype (nevermind the company's hype since that standard) for it and that there will be a terrible let down for them and I will put up with endless bitching and complaining about how the game failed to live up to the fan's hype for, you know just like how every BioWare game now of days gets blasted for the same damn thing. It's only a matter of time for it to happen to CDPR.  

 

Truth be told, Pillars has surprised me a lot more than I thought it would.

 

I also don't have too many expectations for the Witcher 3. The second game was pretty good but the first was atrocious in the end. 

 

I think just by being the only RPG outside of Persona 5 and Xenoblade Chronicles X that is that high profile is going to help it's case though, but honestly, I just don't see the hype I guess. 

 

Then again I never do. I always never understood hype in general. 

[SolNebula]

As far as I can tell, nobody here hates CDPR or expects TW3 to be a flop. They're just tired of people putting them on a pedestal they don't deserve.

 

That's just debatable. They are the company that own GOG. They release their games without DRMs nor D1 DLCs. They also give to their customers in GOG a credit for game purchases on their store if regional pricing happen to be better in another country and you have to pay more. Those 15 free DLC aren't just aesthetics but also in-game subquests (should I remember BW PAID weapons and outfit packs???). OFC they are a company and need to make money but they do it right in the sense that they don't cut content from the main game and release it as D1 DLCs. Plus I just don't want to sound like a hater but EVERY company is better than EA. This is just a fact,

[9TailsFox]

That's just debatable. They are the company that own GOG. They release their games without DRMs nor D1 DLCs. They also give to their customers in GOG a credit for game purchases on their store if regional pricing happen to be better in another country and you have to pay more. Those 15 DLC aren't just aesthetics but also in-game subquests. OFC they are a company and need to make money but they do it right in the sense that they don't cut content from the main game and release it as D1 DLCs. Plus I just don't want to sound like a hater but EVERY company is better than EA. This is just a fact,

I agree with everything you say except EA worst company it's debatable Ubisoft is as bad as EA if not worse.

[9TailsFox]

As far as I can tell, nobody here hates CDPR or expects TW3 to be a flop. They're just tired of people putting them on a pedestal they don't deserve.

You wrong you miss comments like. "I hope Witcher 3 fails so people stop thinking CDPR is best company." And I read a lot of when not only on BSN.

[Revan Reborn]

I agree with everything you say except EA worst company it's debatable Ubisoft is as bad as EA if not worse.

While EA and Ubisoft are bad, Activision is by far the worst. They destroyed Call of Duty and turned it into an annual nightmare. Not to mention, Destiny is a piece of trash... The CEO of Activision has also been quoted stating he doesn't care about gamers or games and is only interested in returning a profit. It's hard to get much lower than Activision.

[9TailsFox]

While EA and Ubisoft are bad, Activision is by far the worst. They destroyed Call of Duty and turned it into an annual nightmare. Not to mention, Destiny is a piece of trash... The CEO of Activision has also been quoted stating he doesn't care about gamers or games and is only interested in returning a profit. It's hard to get much lower than Activision.

Well at least Activision honest EA and Ubisoft think  same think and pretend they care.

It's like David Gaider I am happy he left DA team good luck to him in next job. I disagree with him a lot. I don't like what he say but I respect him because he honest like people complaining Leliana resurrection. And David Gaider is just deal with it.

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[Morroian]

That's just debatable. They are the company that own GOG. They release their games without DRMs nor D1 DLCs. They also give to their customers in GOG a credit for game purchases on their store if regional pricing happen to be better in another country and you have to pay more. Those 15 free DLC aren't just aesthetics but also in-game subquests (should I remember BW PAID weapons and outfit packs???). OFC they are a company and need to make money but they do it right in the sense that they don't cut content from the main game and release it as D1 DLCs. Plus I just don't want to sound like a hater but EVERY company is better than EA. This is just a fact,

 

Enron is better than EA??

 

As for CDPR their shortcomings have been exposed earlier in the thread.

[Revan Reborn]

Truth be told, Pillars has surprised me a lot more than I thought it would.

 

I also don't have too many expectations for the Witcher 3. The second game was pretty good but the first was atrocious in the end. 

 

I think just by being the only RPG outside of Persona 5 and Xenoblade Chronicles X that is that high profile is going to help it's case though, but honestly, I just don't see the hype I guess. 

 

Then again I never do. I always never understood hype in general. 

This is somewhat ironic coming from a poster whose name is LinksOcarina. If there is any franchise that is more over-hype and overrated in the video game industry, it's a Zelda title... Nintendo diehards go crazy and will spend $300+ just for one game that Miyamoto might talk about releasing every five years...

[Sanunes]

While EA and Ubisoft are bad, Activision is by far the worst. They destroyed Call of Duty and turned it into an annual nightmare. Not to mention, Destiny is a piece of trash... The CEO of Activision has also been quoted stating he doesn't care about gamers or games and is only interested in returning a profit. It's hard to get much lower than Activision.

 

I personally find people like trashing EA for its decisions, but in reality they aren't any different then the other publishers they just don't get a free pass like everyone else.  For I was in a conversation the other day and found out that Activision Blizzard has closed more studios then EA, but you never hear people making the same snide comments about studio closures with them.

 

To the topic at hand, until I actually see any content for The Witcher 3 I can't make comparisons for the simple reason is we don't know what the game or future content is going to be like, for all I know the "Expansion Pass" for The Witcher 3 is going to work out exactly like the one for Destiny.

[Revan Reborn]

Well at least Activision honest EA and Ubisoft think  same think and pretend they care.

I should probably also mention Activision bought Blizzard and now they are one disgusting behemoth of a amalgamation known as a video game company. EA and Ubisoft might be full of it, but they haven't committed nearly as many sins as Activision-Blizzard has.

[SolNebula]

 

 

As for CDPR their shortcomings have been exposed earlier in the thread.

 

Jesus provides the right answer for you

"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye". - Matthew 7:5

[Fyurian2]

There's one crucial fact you are forgetting, however. DAO was the first BioWare game to come to PS3 (a Sony console). Believe it or not, BioWare was largely an Xbox exclusive. From 2003 to 2007 (KotOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect), BioWare had only released games for the Xbox and Xbox 360.

So I don't have KoTOR or Jade Empire on PC?
Then what are those two boxes for PC games, that don't have the EA name on them, doing on my shelf???
 

 

This is somewhat ironic coming from a poster whose name is LinksOcarina. If there is any franchise that is more over-hype and overrated in the video game industry, it's a Zelda title... Nintendo diehards go crazy and will spend $300+ just for one game that Miyamoto might talk about releasing every five years...

Really?
I can't be the only one seeing hypocrisy here?
The only thing you have to say about what was said, is based around someone's choice of username???

[Revan Reborn]

I personally find people like trashing EA for its decisions, but in reality they aren't any different then the other publishers they just don't get a free pass like everyone else.  For I was in a conversation the other day and found out that Activision Blizzard has closed more studios then EA, but you never hear people making the same snide comments about studio closures with them.

 

To the topic at hand, until I actually see any content for The Witcher 3 I can't make comparisons for the simple reason is we don't know what the game or future content is going to be like, for all I know the "Expansion Pass" for The Witcher 3 is going to work out exactly like the one for Destiny.

EA gets way more hate than it deserves. Activision Blizzard is by far the worst. They are just more low key about their dealings.

 

This isn't even a matter about playing TW3. The simple fact is we are getting 16 pieces of free DLC (hair styles, armor, quests, etc.) and thirty hours of additional content in two expansions for the price of $24.99. Whereas DAI is offering one story DLC with at most ten hours of additional content for $14.99 and then a MP cash shop. There is a steep difference in value with the former compared to the latter.

[Heimdall]

You would be blind then. Half of the comments in here have been nothing but hate against CDPR as a means of trying to awkwardly defend BioWare when the latter needs no defending. Posters are so busy trying to turn this into a competition that it's laughable. I must be one of the few posters here who actually likes both developers. Crazy? Right? The fact that I see one developer who is offering a better deal for DLC should merely incentivize the other to follow suit. That is the point. There is nothing else to discuss.

You seem convinced that your opponents are Bioware "fanboys" attacking CDPR for no reason.  I haven't seen that.  Most of what I've seen is you categorically refusing to accept any criticism of CDPR.  I haven't seen anyone in this thread claiming Bioware hasn't made mistakes.  Who's the real fanboy here?

 

For the record, I like both devs.  I just don't like the absurd pedestal you and others are insisting on putting CDPR on because of a single pre-release promise.

[9TailsFox]

I should probably also mention Activision bought Blizzard and now they are one disgusting behemoth of a amalgamation known as a video game company. EA and Ubisoft might be full of it, but they haven't committed nearly as many sins as Activision-Blizzard has.

Wait what? I don't deserve to be a gamer. This is first time I heard this. Well to be honest I am not really interested in Blizzard. I just played Warcraft 3. They have like 10 games total.

[9TailsFox]

You seem convinced that your opponents are Bioware "fanboys" attacking CDPR for no reason.  I haven't seen that.  Most of what I've seen is you categorically refusing to accept any criticism of CDPR.  I haven't seen anyone in this thread claiming Bioware hasn't made mistakes.  Who's the real fanboy here?

 

For the record, I like both devs.  I just don't like the absurd pedestal you and others are insisting on putting CDPR on because of a single pre-release promise.

I am CDPR fanboy and I still don't like witcher 3 will be open world. Really what's this nonsense skyrim best game because it have open world so all RPG must be open world.

And we putting CDPR on pedestal because not of a single pre-release promise but because Witcher 1 was great and Witcher 2 was better CDPR actually impruving. And Bioware each game worse, just removing. And all marketing just lies Pick who you save keep or crestwood, Customizable keeps, I am really bad at exploration maybe I just can't find it. DA:I gameplay is horrible mess rogue miss 50% attack and just attack air really no auto attack, no tactics  and AI don't know what to do. I think I just went off-topic so I stop.