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[Revan Reborn]

So I don't have KoTOR or Jade Empire on PC?
Then what are those two boxes for PC games, that don't have the EA name on them, doing on my shelf???

You may not know this, but BioWare has been a console developer since KotOR. This is coming from someone who is a PC gamer. They were an Xbox exclusive until EA bought them and they released DAO. Now they are multi-platform catering to consoles before PC. BioWare hasn't actually cared about PC truly since NWN.

 

Just to show you how console-centric BioWare is, lets see when their games released on Xbox and when they released on PC:

 

KotOR:

-Xbox (July 15, 2003)

-PC (November 19, 2003)

 

JE:

-Xbox (2005)

-PC (February 26, 2007)

 

ME:

-Xbox 360 (November 2007)

-PC (May 28, 2008)

[Sanunes]

EA gets way more hate than it deserves. Activision Blizzard is by far the worst. They are just more low key about their dealings.

 

This isn't even a matter about playing TW3. The simple fact is we are getting 16 pieces of free DLC (hair styles, armor, quests, etc.) and thirty hours of additional content in two expansions for the price of $24.99. Whereas DAI is offering one story DLC with at most ten hours of additional content for $14.99 and then a MP cash shop. There is a steep difference in value with the former compared to the latter.

 

I am glad that you feel you will be getting more value for you money with the DLC they will be releasing, but the problem is I can't compare it to what Inquisition offered for lets say you get two additional hair styles now that means the game might have six total does that mean its better value then all the different hair styles that Inquisition offered across two genders and four races? For me I can't proclaim that it will be better or worse without seeing the game as a whole for a comparison.  I am pretty sure if EA announced "16 free DLC" with Inquisition the first thing that would have been said on these boards is that "They ripped it out of the game to look like they are giving us good value."

 

With the length of DLC I really don't know how long it will be, 10 hours for additional content for Inquisition is what we know because people have played it, the thirty hours for $30 unless you pre-order DLC is what the developer is saying, for all we know it could work out to be the same.

[Andraste_Reborn]

As someone who gave up on The Witcher after an hour because I hated everything about it and has no interest in buying the sequels, I think The Witcher 3 looks like it's going to be a great game for people who like that sort of thing. I certainly hope it lives up to everyone's expectations, partly because I love GOG and wish CRPR well on that account, partly because more good and successful RPGs are good for the genre as a whole and partly because if it's actually terrible I know that people will never shut up about it.

 

('The Witcher is great and Dragon Age is terrible' is just background noise I can cheerfully ignore. 'The Witcher is terrible and Dragon Age is terrible and EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE AND MAINSTREAM CRPGS ARE DEAD' would become much louder and therefore worse from my point of view.)

[Revan Reborn]

You seem convinced that your opponents are Bioware "fanboys" attacking CDPR for no reason.  I haven't seen that.  Most of what I've seen is you categorically refusing to accept any criticism of CDPR.  I haven't seen anyone in this thread claiming Bioware hasn't made mistakes.  Who's the real fanboy here?

 

For the record, I like both devs.  I just don't like the absurd pedestal you and others are insisting on putting CDPR on because of a single pre-release promise.

Perhaps you should scroll back up? There has been nothing but slander and lies about CDPR for no apparent purpose. Lies which I refuted with articles dating back to the release of TW2 in 2011 on PC stating CDPR always was going to charge for expansion packs and DLC would be free. So no, this is not an argument about me being a "fanboy" and the rest pointing out the flaws in CDPR. This is an argument about me showing CDPR is doing something BioWare should consider, and the BioWare fanboys coming out of the shadows crying "in BioWare we trust" and "BioWare can do no wrong" with no evidence and mere lifeless words.

 

Perhaps if you weren't so busy trying to make me out as the bad guy, you'd actually see the reality of this discussion.

 

I am CDPR fanboy and I still don't like witcher 3 will be open world. Really what's this nonsense skyrim best game because it have open world so all RPG must be open world.

And we putting CDPR on pedestal because not of a single pre-release promise but because Witcher 1 was great Witcher 2 was better. And Bioware each game worse.

That's exactly the rationale. Personally, BGS (TES, Fallout) is my favorite developer, so I don't mind that BioWare copied them with DAI and now CDPR is copying them with TW3. BGS has been a pioneer for over twenty years. It's about time other RPG developers see the light and start taking notes...

[Revan Reborn]

I am glad that you feel you will be getting more value for you money with the DLC they will be releasing, but the problem is I can't compare it to what Inquisition offered for lets say you get two additional hair styles now that means the game might have six total does that mean its better value then all the different hair styles that Inquisition offered across two genders and four races? For me I can't proclaim that it will be better or worse without seeing the game as a whole for a comparison.  I am pretty sure if EA announced "16 free DLC" with Inquisition the first thing that would have been said on these boards is that "They ripped it out of the game to look like they are giving us good value."

 

With the length of DLC I really don't know how long it will be, 10 hours for additional content for Inquisition is what we know because people have played it, the thirty hours for $30 unless you pre-order DLC is what the developer is saying, for all we know it could work out to be the same.

Well, for one, the hair style selection in DAI is atrocious. I wasn't even making an argument about that. What I'm focusing more on is 30 hours of content for $24.99 versus at most 10 hours of content for $14.99. In TW3, you are getting three times as much for only an additional $10.00. If you split the two expansions, CDPR is pricing the 10 hour expansion at $9.99 and the 20 hour expansion at $19.99. For five dollars less I get at least the equivalent of Jaws of Hakkon but possibly more. For five dollars more I get double the amount of content that Jaws of Hakkon offers. Do you see the disparity now?

[9TailsFox]

That's exactly the rationale. Personally, BGS (TES, Fallout) is my favorite developer, so I don't mind that BioWare copied them with DAI and now CDPR is copying them with TW3. BGS has been a pioneer for over twenty years. It's about time other RPG developers see the light and start taking notes...

I love TES one of best games series but entirely for different reasons than Witcher or DA, Yes it have good story, what can I say I am easy to please. But it's sand box game. DA and Witcher not they story first. And sad reality is you can't do both. You see results of DA:I, It have good story I liked it but pacing is horrible. We have to separate games Singleplayer MMO and short DA game.

[Revan Reborn]

As someone who gave up on The Witcher after an hour because I hated everything about it and has no interest in buying the sequels, I think The Witcher 3 looks like it's going to be a great game for people who like that sort of thing. I certainly hope it lives up to everyone's expectations, partly because I love GOG and wish CRPR well on that account, partly because more good and successful RPGs are good for the genre as a whole and partly because if it's actually terrible I know that people will never shut up about it.

 

('The Witcher is great and Dragon Age is terrible' is just background noise I can cheerfully ignore. 'The Witcher is terrible and Dragon Age is terrible and EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE AND MAINSTREAM CRPGS ARE DEAD' would become much louder and therefore worse from my point of view.)

You can't appreciate anything if you give up on it after an hour... You are missing out.

 

Honestly though, this thread is about making BioWare accountable and improving their DLC policy. If CDPR lives up to their statements with respect to their expansion pass, BioWare is going to be at a severe disadvantage.

[Revan Reborn]

I love TES one of best games series but entirely for different reasons than Witcher or DA, Yes it have good story, what can I say I am easy to please. But it's sand box game. DA and Witcher not they story first. And sad reality is you can't do both. You see results of DA:I, It have good story I liked it but pacing is horrible. We have to separate games Singleplayer MMO and short DA game.

Well, in fairness, BioWare completely botched the more open world. They don't know what they are doing. Instead of having Radiant AI and true points of interests like Skyrim, DAI had lifeless open fields with boring collectibles and little else. BioWare has no idea how to build an open world experience. CDPR, on the other hand, seems to be taking closer notes to Skyrim. I believe they will be closer to that perfect mixture of a story and sandbox. That is my dream game anyways.

[SnakeCode]

True enough. It seems weird how it's already being held in high regard before it's even been played. It could turn out to be the cat's sexy pajamas, but the jury's still out.

 

Oh please, like this doesn't happen with every game before it's release. I seem to remember many on these boards thinking Inquisition was the greatest game ever months before release. People adoring/disliking characters based on a few pieces of concept art. Also it's not like people know next to nothing about the game, there's plenty of trailors and gameplay videos that are available to watch, there's plenty of info out there for those looking for it.

 

The people who think it's going to be amazing are people who have played the previous titles and really enjoyed them. People who have followed CDPR and hold them in high regard, and "know" they won't disappoint them.

 

It's no different than Bioware fans claiming every new DA/ME is going to be great or From Software fans knowing Bloodborne was going to be amazing right from the time it was announced.

 

Lets not pretend that judging a game before they've played it is a phenomena associated solely with TW/CDPR fans. People saying the game looks garbage are doing the exact same thing, and fans/detractors of every game series/studio/dev team do it too.

[Revan Reborn]

Oh please, like this doesn't happen with every game before it's release. I seem to remember many on these boards thinking Inquisition was the greatest game ever months before release. People adoring/disliking characters based on a few pieces of concept art. Also it's not like people know next to nothing about the game, there's plenty of trailors and gameplay videos that are available to watch, there's plenty of info out there for those looking for it.

 

The people who think it's going to be amazing are people who have played the previous titles and really enjoyed them. People who have followed CDPR and hold them in high regard, and "know" they won't disappoint them.

 

It's no different than Bioware fans claiming every new DA/ME is going to be great or From Software fans knowing Bloodborne was going to be amazing right from the time it was announced.

 

Lets not pretend that judging a game before they've played it is a phenomena associated solely with TW/CDPR fans. People saying the game looks garbage are doing the exact same thing, and fans/detractors of every game series/studio/dev team do it too.

Don't even get me started on all the Cullen clubs, Sera cults, and Iron Bull brothels that happened many months before DAI released... If there's anything peculiar about BioWare fans, it's that they are hypocrites and don't even realize it.

 

Yeah, I just don't understand why that small group of folks on BSN always tries to demonize CDPR and undermine everything they do. CDPR and BioWare have a lot in common. If one game does well, likely it will positively impact the other. DAI certainly ripped off TW2's romance scenes.

 

The truth of the matter is competition is good and everybody should want both developers to thrive. It's good for the industry. It's good for gamers. To try and detract from that because of some illogical sense of fanboyness to one company over another is immature and does a disservice to all gamers.

[Heimdall]

Perhaps you should scroll back up? There has been nothing but slander and lies about CDPR for no apparent purpose. Lies which I refuted with articles dating back to the release of TW2 in 2011 on PC stating CDPR always was going to charge for expansion packs and DLC would be free. So no, this is not an argument about me being a "fanboy" and the rest pointing out the flaws in CDPR. This is an argument about me showing CDPR is doing something BioWare should consider, and the BioWare fanboys coming out of the shadows crying "in BioWare we trust" and "BioWare can do no wrong" with no evidence and mere lifeless words.
 
Perhaps if you weren't so busy trying to make me out as the bad guy, you'd actually see the reality of this discussion.

You're showing that CDPR is doing something that hasn't been proven as effective nor have they delivered on their promise yet.  Somehow they seem to deserve endless praise and rainbows for it is your book though, and deserving to be copied.  I call that fanboy behavior.

What thread have you been reading? That discussion on charging for expansions has been exclusively between you and one or two other posters.  And nobody throughout this entire thread has even been talking about Bioware.

 

Perhaps you'd be a bit closer to seeing the reality of it if you weren't so intent on seeing yourself as a victim of fanboyism that exists only in your imagination.

[X Equestris]

Oh please, like this doesn't happen with every game before it's release. I seem to remember many on these boards thinking Inquisition was the greatest game ever months before release. People adoring/disliking characters based on a few pieces of concept art. Also it's not like people know next to nothing about the game, there's plenty of trailors and gameplay videos that are available to watch, there's plenty of info out there for those looking for it.
 
The people who think it's going to be amazing are people who have played the previous titles and really enjoyed them. People who have followed CDPR and hold them in high regard, and "know" they won't disappoint them.
 
It's no different than Bioware fans claiming every new DA/ME is going to be great or From Software fans knowing Bloodborne was going to be amazing right from the time it was announced.
 
Lets not pretend that judging a game before they've played it is a phenomena associated solely with TW/CDPR fans. People saying the game looks garbage are doing the exact same thing, and fans/detractors of every game series/studio/dev team do it too.

That's true. However, the OP is suggesting Bioware change their dlc policy based on a game that has yet to release, and its add-ons are even further away.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Are people in this thread serious? The difference between expansion and dlc has existed in gaming fora since forever, it's both a quantity and a quality related difference. On the quality front, an expansion includes additional content in all areas of the game, meaning it can't just be cosmetic additions, like, for instance extra hairstyles, but it has to include new areas, quests, cutscenes, characters, -assuming the original game had stuff like that, ofc, a very old game that didn't have cutscenes, won't have cutscenes in the expansion either-. On the quantity front, an expansion, as opposed to a dlc has to bountiful. At least 1/5-1/3 of the original game.

 

Which is why the term 'dlc' was given to additional content that can be downloadable only, while expansion packs can be sold in physical retail too. No one in their right mind would give a separate, physical  release of a tiny bit of content.

[Heimdall]

Don't even get me started on all the Cullen clubs, Sera cults, and Iron Bull brothels that happened many months before DAI released... If there's anything peculiar about BioWare fans, it's that they are hypocrites and don't even realize it.

 

Yeah, I just don't understand why that small group of folks on BSN always tries to demonize CDPR and undermine everything they do. CDPR and BioWare have a lot in common. If one game does well, likely it will positively impact the other. DAI certainly ripped off TW2's romance scenes.

 

The truth of the matter is competition is good and everybody should want both developers to thrive. It's good for the industry. It's good for gamers. To try and detract from that because of some illogical sense of fanboyness to one company over another is immature and does a disservice to all gamers.

What makes them hypocrites?

 

What?  They put in frontal nudity and suddenly they're ripping off TW2?  Bioware had fully nude romance scenes in ME1, albeit less explicit.  CDPR can't claim credit for that.

 

I too want both developers to thrive, and i think good way to do that is to stop putting either of them on pedestals.

[Revan Reborn]

That's true. However, the OP is suggesting Bioware change their dlc policy based on a game that has yet to release, and its add-ons are even further away.

Again, lets look at the hard facts, shall we?

 

TW3:

16 free DLC pieces (hair styles, armor, quests, etc.)

2 expansions (30 hours of content) for $24.99 (first expansion for $9.99 and second expansion for $19.99 separately)

 

DAI:

MP cash shop with "free" updates

1 story DLC (at most 10 hours of content) for $14.99

 

You keep trying to make it as if TW3 content needs to be released. It doesn't. It's already a better value for the cost and the content. That's pure statistics. Open your eyes.

 

 

You're showing that CDPR is doing something that hasn't been proven as effective nor have they delivered on their promise yet.  Somehow they seem to deserve endless praise and rainbows for it is your book though, and deserving to be copied.  I call that fanboy behavior.

What thread have you been reading? That discussion on charging for expansions has been exclusively between you and one or two other posters.  And nobody throughout this entire thread has even been talking about Bioware.

 

Perhaps you'd be a bit closer to seeing the reality of it if you weren't so intent on seeing yourself as a victim of fanboyism that exists only in your imagination.

CDPR has never failed before, I don't see why they would now. Until they do, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. As far as the endless praise and rainbows, that's all you bud.

 

You really should re-read this thread. You've been so busy trying to prove me "wrong" that you have missed most of the discussion due to your focus on something that actually doesn't matter nor is it really relevant. The arbitrary nature of "DLC" and "expansion pass" and supposed questionable PR practices by CDPR. Neither of those two things are what this thread is about. Go back to the first page.

[X Equestris]

Again, lets look at the hard facts, shall we?
 
TW3:
16 free DLC pieces (hair styles, armor, quests, etc.)
2 expansions (30 hours of content) for $24.99 (first expansion for $9.99 and second expansion for $19.99 separately)
 
DAI:
MP cash shop with "free" updates
1 story DLC (at most 10 hours of content) for $14.99
 
You keep trying to make it as if TW3 content needs to be released. It doesn't. It's already a better value for the cost and the content. That's pure statistics. Open your eyes.

You do realize that Inquisition's dlc cycle isn't over yet, right? Let's wait until everything is out for both games before comparing them.

[SnakeCode]

That's true. However, the OP is suggesting Bioware change their dlc policy based on a game that has yet to release, and its add-ons are even further away.

Yeah, that's a bit silly and fat too premature, but I wasn't really talking about that. It isn't like this thread has been on topic since it's inception. I was just pointing out that The Witcher is far from the only game series that is respected enough by its fans that new games are held in high regard prior to release. Bioware fans are equally as guilty of this (I should know, I am one.) As are fans of any game series, be it GTA, TES, Persona, Assassin's Creed or any other.

[Revan Reborn]

Are people in this thread serious? The difference between expansion and dlc has existed in gaming fora since forever, it's both a quantity and a quality related difference. On the quality front, an expansion includes additional content in all areas of the game, meaning it can't just be cosmetic additions, like, for instance extra hairstyles, but it has to include new areas, quests, cutscenes, characters, -assuming the original game had stuff like that, ofc, a very old game that didn't have cutscenes, won't have cutscenes in the expansion either-. On the quantity front, an expansion, as opposed to a dlc has to bountiful. At least 1/5-1/3 of the original game.

 

Which is why the term 'dlc' was given to additional content that can be downloadable only, while expansion packs can be sold in physical retail too. No one in their right mind would give a separate, physical  release of a tiny bit of content.

Speak louder. Many must hear your words of wisdom.

 

What makes them hypocrites?

 

What?  They put in frontal nudity and suddenly they're ripping off TW2?  Bioware had fully nude romance scenes in ME1, albeit less explicit.  CDPR can't claim credit for that.

 

I too want both developers to thrive, and i think good way to do that is to stop putting either of them on pedestals.

What doesn't make them hypocrites? Attacking CDPR and "hoping TW3 fails." There has been nothing but hate an animosity from a lot of the posters in here due to some hatred or resentment of CDRP. Again, you must be really blind.

 

ME1 did not have fully nude romance scenes. I own it. There was at most "side boob," of which Fox News translated as "full frontal nudity" and then BioWare retracted and went to underwear sex for the next five years. Now all the sudden BioWare is okay with showing female breasts in a video game? Romance scenes aren't the only parallels, look at the taverns and the various times you meet companions there for chatting or cutscenes. That's quite obviously inspired from TW2. The tavern music is likely from Skyrim. There's a lot of crossover and BioWare is definitely taking note.

[Revan Reborn]

You do realize that Inquisition's dlc cycle isn't over yet, right? Let's wait until everything is out for both games before comparing them.

Considering we know BioWare has explicitly stated they aren't doing any expansions for DAI, that means we will, at most, get more story DLCs that are, at most, 10 hours. That was the trend for most of the DLC in Mass Effect. That makes it very likely that each individual story DLC, given EA's tactics, will be priced at $14.99. Not to mention, EA will likely nickel and dime for minor DLCs, such as skin packs, armor, weapons, etc. just like ME2 and ME3. We don't need all the facts. We just have to look at the current business practices of both and recognize one likes to monetize and give less content while the other has consistently given more content at a cheaper price.

[MisterJB]

Which is why the term 'dlc' was given to additional content that can be downloadable only, while expansion packs can be sold in physical retail too. No one in their right mind would give a separate, physical  release of a tiny bit of content.

Fallout 3 DLC were released in physical retail.

[Revan Reborn]

Fallout 3 DLC were released in physical retail.

Are you positive about that? Aside from the GotY edition, which is a bundle and doesn't count, I only see digital download for PC and the Xbox 360 available. None of the DLC for Oblivion, besides Shivering Isles, was available for as a physical copy. All of that had to be downloaded via Xbox LIVE.

[LonewandererD]

Wasn't the pilgrimage dlc thing for Oblivion also a physical sale? I swear the first I saw of it was on a store shelf though I could be wrong

 

 

-D-

[X Equestris]

Considering we know BioWare has explicitly stated they aren't doing any expansions for DAI, that means we will, at most, get more story DLCs that are, at most, 10 hours. That was the trend for most of the DLC in Mass Effect. That makes it very likely that each individual story DLC, given EA's tactics, will be priced at $14.99. Not to mention, EA will likely nickel and dime for minor DLCs, such as skin packs, armor, weapons, etc. just like ME2 and ME3. We don't need all the facts. We just have to look at the current business practices of both and recognize one likes to monetize and give less content while the other has consistently given more content at a cheaper price.

And what if the Witcher dlc proves to have less content than advertised? What if Inquisition's dlc proves to give more content for the money at the end of the day? That's why I find "We don't need all the facts." ridiculous. Wait until everything is out, and then we can give a more accurate comparison. At that point, we can have a serious conversation about which dlc policy works better.

[Revan Reborn]

And what if the Witcher dlc proves to have less content than advertised? What if Inquisition's dlc proves to give more content for the money at the end of the day? That's why I find "We don't need all the facts." ridiculous. Wait until everything is out, and then we can give a more accurate comparison. At that point, we can have a serious conversation about which dlc policy works better.

Well again, statistically speaking, I already pointed out you are getting more content at a cheaper price with TW3 than DAI as it currently stands. Could CDPR be over-estimating? Perhaps, but they certainly aren't over-estimating the hours nearly as much compared to when BioWare claimed DAI was at least "150 hours" of content. In terms of "if Inquisition's dlc proves to give more content for money at the end of the day," that's purely subjective and has no place in this discussion.

[9TailsFox]

Well, in fairness, BioWare completely botched the more open world. They don't know what they are doing. Instead of having Radiant AI and true points of interests like Skyrim, DAI had lifeless open fields with boring collectibles and little else. BioWare has no idea how to build an open world experience. CDPR, on the other hand, seems to be taking closer notes to Skyrim. I believe they will be closer to that perfect mixture of a story and sandbox. That is my dream game anyways.

I hope you right.