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[LinksOcarina]

This revelation actually truly baffles me, especially if it is suddenly an item for the defense. In ME3, the base game contained pieces for the DLC From the Ashes as they had to incorporate the character in to existing areas because the structure was such that it would be nigh impossible to do it afterwards. It was understandable decision for, as it gave them the baseline to work the more detailed DLC later, but it was also a Day 1 DLC and used as one of the prime examples of how Bioware was allegedly ripping of customers, no matter how many times it was explained and despite the fact that the game became really unstable with any hacks related to the matter.

 

So with that in mind, that not only is TW3 going to use the same areas, which would most likely require them to code the base already in to the game, but it is not even as a Day One DLC is really mindblowing considering their previous stance. As is the fact that their practice is still apparently morally somehow superior to Bioware's.

 

Also, I am also really struggling to understand the OPs claim that this somehow provides more content as what exactly is the difference between 10 hours on a new map and 10 hours on an old map?

 

I was being very glib about this in the first place to be fair.

 

Everything you kind of said up top I said when From Ashes was announced.

[AlanC9]

Yeah, I was only thinking of the ME1 implementation. Even if I was watching a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie, I wouldn't buy Belgium becoming the leading power in NATO. But the basic concept could still be workable.

[LinksOcarina]

This is one of the bigest problems with ME. Most likely because lead writer changed. Main theme unity true diversity changed to AI vs organics, and ending with "deep philosophical meaning" and failed hard. ME3 never was deep and philosophical it was space soup opera and good one.

 

I am going to argue this one, because the theme of synthetics vs organics has been present since the first game, and like most of Mass Effect, it is a recurring theme in conjunction with unity through diversity, science and morality, prejudice, pre-concieved notions of prejudice, and the space opera melodrama that fits into that entire milieu.

 

And I still am probably one of the few people who didn't mind the philosophical meaning behind Mass Effect. Hell, it had everything from arguments of self-doubt and control, to theological undertones with the Shepard character.

 

It's why it's such a good series to me, at least. It was never about one theme, it was about Sci-Fi in general. 

[t0mm06]

Whilst im a fan of the witcher series and i like CDPR ethics, lets nto pretend that the '16 free dlc' are anything more then a promotional stunt.
16 DLC the 16 days after it comes out... thats contanet that was clearly intended to be in the game in the first place but is being added differently just for a promotion. (dont get me wrong i dont mind this, but lets not act like they're saints, especially when other companies would get **** for it.) 

Also have you seen these expansions yet? do you know how long they are? have you played through them as a speed run, a normal run and then a run collecting everything? 

 

Also fallout 3 dlc was great, as was the New Vegas DLC, also i much preferred Dawnguard to Dragonborn, and I liked pretty much all of the mass effect DLC, AND to further that I think that the DA2 DLC was infinatly better then the base game was. 
To me this means not all DLC is a waste of my money or the developers time/effort... Different strokes for different folkes 

[In Exile]

Probably because it was ridiculous. I found the ME1 Renegade ending to be the most preposterous of the trilogy.

Oh, the actual execution was insane. I still recall the debates over how somehow the rest of the galaxy would just accept an all-human council and not start the intergalactic version of WWII with humanity playing Germany because of our "fleets".

I'm just saying it was a shift.

[AlanC9]

Isn't New Vegas a stand-alone product?

[LinksOcarina]

Oh, the actual execution was insane. I still recall the debates over how somehow the rest of the galaxy would just accept an all-human council and not start the intergalactic version of WWII with humanity playing Germany because of our "fleets".

I'm just saying it was a shift.

 

Glad they never followed suit with that...but honestly...human reaper is bad...

[wolfhowwl]

Glad they never followed suit with that...but honestly...human reaper is bad...

 

That is especially frustrating because they had stuff during development that was better. However that didn't make it in and instead we got the awful human reaper.

 

Terrible, I think some people there just didn't get it.

[AlanC9]

ME1 and 2 would both be improved if the final boss fights were cut. Thank god they didn't do the TIM boss fight they were considering for ME3.

 

 

I never saw what the other ME2 endgame concepts were. Anyone got a link?

[In Exile]

ME1 and 2 would both be improved if the final boss fights were cut. Thank god they didn't do the TIM boss fight they were considering for ME3.


I never saw what the other ME2 endgame concepts were. Anyone got a link?

A few were basically embryos. The art style was cool but the portrayal was just even mode insane.

Whoever came up with the idea of a human *looking* reaper dropped the ball. The concept of making reapers out of organic slushee was kind of cool until they got to the whole "reapers preserve races" idea.

[wolfhowwl]

ME1 and 2 would both be improved if the final boss fights were cut. Thank god they didn't do the TIM boss fight they were considering for ME3.
 
 
I never saw what the other ME2 endgame concepts were. Anyone got a link?

 
 

Reapers were using nanotech disassemblers to perform "destructive analysis" on humans, with the intent of learning how to build a Reaper body that could upload their minds intact. Once this was complete, humans throughout the galaxy would be rounded up to have their personalities and memories forcibly uploaded into the Reaper's memory banks. (You can still hear some suggestions of this in the background chatter during Legion's acquisition mission, which I wrote.) There was nothing about Reapers being techno-organic or partly built out of human corpses -- they were pure tech.

 
The absence of colonists being goopified to make a human shaped Reaper out of human corpses seems like a positive.

[In Exile]

The absence of colonists being goopified to make a human shaped Reaper out of human corpses seems like a positive.

That idea sounds infinitely better and less stupid. Personally I always was a fan of the endgame ME scenario being that Shepard would have to upload consciousness into a reaper to fight it out of take them out (or even negotiate) which would allow you to play with some fascinating settings for me (and really play with the idea of what it means to be real or alive).

[Hiemoth]

I was being very glib about this in the first place to be fair.

 

Everything you kind of said up top I said when From Ashes was announced.

 

Just to check, you mean you felt the way From Ashes was implemented was understandable or ripping off customers?

[Ashen Nedra]

Whilst im a fan of the witcher series and i like CDPR ethics, lets nto pretend that the '16 free dlc' are anything more then a promotional stunt.
16 DLC the 16 days after it comes out... thats contanet that was clearly intended to be in the game in the first place but is being added differently just for a promotion. (dont get me wrong i dont mind this, but lets not act like they're saints, especially when other companies would get **** for it.) 

Also have you seen these expansions yet? do you know how long they are? have you played through them as a speed run, a normal run and then a run collecting everything? 

 

Also fallout 3 dlc was great, as was the New Vegas DLC, also i much preferred Dawnguard to Dragonborn, and I liked pretty much all of the mass effect DLC, AND to further that I think that the DA2 DLC was infinatly better then the base game was. 
To me this means not all DLC is a waste of my money or the developers time/effort... Different strokes for different folkes 

Sure, it's marketing stuff, yes, kind of a weird idea imho but...

 

The difference with Bioware's or other companies' DLCs is in those DLCs being..ahem...you know...free?

 

How can you berate a company for giving its customers gifts?  CDPR already did that with the Witcher 1, adding two additional adventures for no charge, one year or so after release.

 

Being the underdog in AAA RPG games - financially speaking at least - CDPR has to use innovative marketing tools to gain gamers' sympathy and penetrate the market.

 

As long as these are beneficial to the end customer, I'm more than fine with that.

[Hiemoth]

Sure, it's marketing stuff, yes, kind of a weird idea imho but...

 

The difference with Bioware's or other companies' DLCs is in those DLCs being..ahem...you know...free?

 

How can you berate a company for giving its customers gifts?  CDPR already did that with the Witcher 1, adding two additional adventures for no charge, one year or so after release.

 

Being the underdog in AAA RPG games - financially speaking at least - CDPR has to use innovative marketing tools to gain gamers' sympathy and penetrate the market.

 

As long as these are beneficial to the end customer, I'm more than fine with that.

 

And did you ever notice any other differences between those free CDPR DLCs and Bioware's main story DLCs? Anything about the length or amount of content which might indicate any difference in the amount resources devoted to it?

 

I have no disagreement in that CDPR giving out free stuff isn't great, but comparing it directly to the majority of DLCs from Bioware is unfair to the extreme.

[AlanC9]

There's no such thing as free. You're paying for those DLCs when you buy the game. You're just taking delivery on some bits a little later.

[Ashen Nedra]

And did you ever notice any other differences between those free CDPR DLCs and Bioware's main story DLCs? Anything about the length or amount of content which might indicate any difference in the amount resources devoted to it?

 

I have no disagreement in that CDPR giving out free stuff isn't great, but comparing it directly to the majority of DLCs from Bioware is unfair to the extreme.

Freudian slip? 

 

Seriously, DLCs are too expensive compared to the price of the game itself in my opinion. Even in the golden era of Bioware (for me, before DAI basically), I found DLCs a rip-off. I always felt a little guilty buying them.

 

And the additional Troll Adventure in the Witcher 2 (free) was comparable in content to say...witch hunt. 3 quests 4 hours max of gameplay, reused environments.

 

But, I think what is really different between the two companies and what is really being compared is a commercial attitude, not the products themselves.

 

CDPR is giving away stuff (I see it also as a way to taunt or troll its competitors), while preparing for the first time a significant expansion/big DLC next year, if I understood correctly.

 

On the other hand, Bioware continues to produce minor DLC at half the basic game price.

Modifié par Ashen Nedra, 15 avril 2015 - 10:17 .

[Ashen Nedra]

There's no such thing as free. You're paying for those DLCs when you buy the game. You're just taking delivery on some bits a little later.

Yes, without disbursing money. so, delayed delivery (I'm not really interested in discussing semantics ) is fine with me.

 

Delayed delivery and asking for more of my money, I'm not fine with: day-one DLCs such as Shale or From Ashes (it has been proved, has it not?)

[Mihura]

The books written by Sapovski, best selling author in Poland and creator of the Witcher.

 

Almost all sex cards refer specifically to one of Geralt's flings or love affairs in either the short novels or the Blood of the Elves' series. Speaking from a literary critic's point-of-view, they also embody clichés of typical love affairs in high fantasy books or even folk tales.

 

Sapovski's books are first and foremost a satire of tropes in high-fantasy, more so before the Blood of the Elves series.

 

CDPR was mainly trying to keep the video game adaptation coherent with the books.

 

The typical political correctness outrage twisted what was a simple wink - albeit a leery one- to the Polish fans into a mini-scandal.

 

Depressing.

 

No, that is your interpretation. I suggest you read the books again, they far superior when it comes to social critique and culture and not so much a fantasy satire.

Also putting fanservice all the time could result in wanting to bang the main character daughter, that is ****** sick, Ciri is supposed to be Ellie to Joel in the Last of Us, not the love interest. They failed in that design hard. Just like in any design till now, when it comes to female characters. Well many two or three characters from TW 1 escape that, which is ironic.

I am no gonna to continue this, I can see CDPR faults well, too bad some people always use political correctness has an excuse for valid criticism. Just like using the word expansion for a season pass.

[LinksOcarina]

Just to check, you mean you felt the way From Ashes was implemented was understandable or ripping off customers?

 

No, quite the opposite, actually.

 

I said back then it was a part of the development process and was justified, since content would have been cut anyway. This is why I am not saying anything now about it in any serious form whatsoever.

 

If nothing else, I am at least not a hypocrite in that regard.

[SnakeCode]

I find it funny that people criticise female characters in TW as being overtly sexualised in their design, when they are far less so than many of Biowares characters. It was bad in TW1 yes, but they learned from that, and they improved drastically in TW2 and TW3.

 

I think some people need to learn that there's a difference between attractive/not ugly and overtly sexualised when it comes to female characters. Triss (TW2 onwards,) Yen and Ciri aren't skimpily dressed at all, they look feminine sure, but not impractical. They aren't soldiers or warriors, so it would be odd to see them wearing full plate (which seems is the only attire people are actually content to have female videogame characters wear on the bsn.) 

 

Compare them to the likes of Miranda, Isabella and Liara and they really aren't anywhere near as bad as people make out. 

[LinksOcarina]

Sure, it's marketing stuff, yes, kind of a weird idea imho but...

 

The difference with Bioware's or other companies' DLCs is in those DLCs being..ahem...you know...free?

 

How can you berate a company for giving its customers gifts?  CDPR already did that with the Witcher 1, adding two additional adventures for no charge, one year or so after release.

 

Being the underdog in AAA RPG games - financially speaking at least - CDPR has to use innovative marketing tools to gain gamers' sympathy and penetrate the market.

 

As long as these are beneficial to the end customer, I'm more than fine with that.

 

It's easy to be an underdog when you have GOG.com making the money for you.

 

I am just saying, CD Projekt Red is not in any danger financially...

[Ashen Nedra]

It's easy to be an underdog when you have GOG.com making the money for you.

 

I am just saying, CD Projekt Red is not in any danger financially...

They founded GOG.com actually, which is a subsidiary of the CD Projeckt Group, a company still controlled by the founders and creators of the Witcher series.

 

They started out by translating big video games licenses in Poland in the 80s and then bought the rights to the Witcher. they used the money accrued to found GOG.

Modifié par Ashen Nedra, 15 avril 2015 - 11:28 .

[LinksOcarina]

They founded GOG.com actually.

 

I know, it also pays their bills. It's like how Steam gives Valve carte-blanche in what they do at times.

 

Personally, it's good for them in the end, GOG is a much better service than Steam, but CD Projekt Red is in the same boat as BioWare and other AAA teams now. They are not going to be going anywhere for a while unless something catastrophic happens. 

[berelinde]

How much of this "free DLC" content is actually released? Since the game itself isn't out, I'm willing to bet "zero."

 

I don't take issue with people saying that they prefer the Witcher series to Dragon Age. Preferences are preferences (although I do reserve the right to privately question their judgment). I only object when people say "Make X more like Y" and Y is still weeks from release.