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[Orogenic]

I played through ME 1 at least a dozen times and enjoyed every minute of it.

ME 2 is the first game I've ever pre-ordered.  It will also be the last.

I'm not saying ME 2 is necessarily a bad game in its own right, but it is missing so much that made the original unique that it seems almost misleading to call it a sequel.

ME2 is so linear it hurts. 

Simplify the inventory system? That would have been great.  Completely eliminate loot and inventory?? What??

Reduce the amount of time consumed roaming around secondary planets? Worthy goal.  Eliminate this aspect completely??  What??

ME 1: achievenents unlocked new, interesting options.

ME 2: achievements are pointless.

ME 1: skill tree allowed experimenting with unconventional skillsets.. lots of fun, GREAT replayability.

ME 2: skill planning is brain optional.

ME 1: character development made events feel important, made the scope of the game epic.  I often told friends that one of the best movies I saw in 2008 was actually a video game....

ME 2: I'm finding it hard to care if my team lives or dies...

etc, etc....


There are so many games out there that appeal to the simpler "shooter" mindset.  I've played a number of them and enjoyed them.  ME 1 was unique though.. something really special.  It was actually the only reason I didn't pitch my console completely.  Looks like I'll be able to clear up some space for new AV equipment now.


The game changes will certainly open up the Mass Effect series to a much larger customer base.  Can't fault a business for making a good business decision.  It is sad to realize, however, that games like ME 1 will forever remain vulnerable to their own success.

[josh42426]

I agree completely. rpgs are like heavy metal to the mainstream. Most dont like it and it needs to be softened up and watered down with some pop but in mass effects case it means it needs to be watered down with more of a shooter emphasis. I mean ammo? wtf man.

[Popstick]

How can you even stand to play through ME 1 a dozen times? The characters had half a page of dialogue, the Mako was both frustrating and boring, progression of your character was slow and by end-game, pretty much every one had identical class builds, sorting through the inventory was a nightmare, especially with the 150 item limit, reducing all the useless loot to omni-gel was a chore, the combat was horrible and about as fun to play as seeing how many needles you can stick in your arm before screaming. Holding down left-mouse button in the middle of a battlefield is better than taking cover, firing in short bursts to conserve ammo and making sure you're not being flanked is better how exactly? Because that's pretty much all you had to in ME 1. Tape down left mouse.

Modifié par Popstick, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:44 .

[Irrumare]

While I agree with your points about achievements, inventory, and skills, I am loving this game so far. Very, very far from bored. I wish I didn't have work tomorrow.

[Jawa Bane]

I am not even close to being bored with this game. I still am learning how everything works and how to do so many things. I believe I will be playing this game up until Mass Effect 3.

[Atti Ito]

Popstick wrote...

How can you even stand to play through ME 1 a dozen times? The characters had half a page of dialogue, the Mako was both frustrating and boring, progression of your character was slow and by end-game, pretty much every one had identical class builds, sorting through the inventory was a nightmare, especially with the 150 item limit, reducing all the useless loot to omni-gel was a chore, the combat was horrible and about as fun to play as sticking seeing how many needles you can stick in your arm before screaming.

^This.

EDIT: Oh and I still LOVE the first game even with these flaws. I also LOVE the second game. Now, maybe the replayability will be diminished and my opinion will change once I finish it, but for now, I've finished recruiting everybody and I havent grown tired yet. I'm excited to continue the adventure with these characters.

Modifié par Atti Ito, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:47 .

[Orogenic]

We don't all have the same tastes, thankfully.



I don't fault anyone for what they like or don't like.



I could ask you with just as much credibility how you can stand to play through ME 2 even once, because I'm fairly sure I'm going to be thwarted by boredom before I achieve that goal.





Call me crazy for expecting a sequel to share some characteristics with the original.

[AdamTaylor]

You make some very good points.



Mass Effect 2 is a very fun game to me... but, just as a shooter.

It doesn't feel like any sort of RPG anymore.

[JoshRose1]

No. I am not bored. I won't be until I finish the game a few times, having tried several classes. Still working on my engineer play through and having a blast.

[Kabraxal]

I think the point is, is that this game does not actually feel like a sequel to ME1. Too many changes and most are not for the better (IMO). The reloading "heat sink" is tedious, the power/abilities has been completely butchered, the whole space exploration deal is horrible (despite the MAKO being frustrating at times, it was nowhere near as horrible as this), the aura of the universe does not fit that of ME1, and Liara... the less said about that clear example of hack writing the better.

[tommythetomcat]

It's hard for me to wipe away all the tears I shed because ME2 has NO rpg elements anymore. Like convoluted class tree's, a seemingly never ending stream of junk that I can carry in my bottomless backpack, and worst of all I can't spend 20 minutes cleaning out my inventory anymore.

[AKofC]

I found the first game to be terribly boring and rather short. 3 planets and you're funneled into the end game.



The majority of the side quests were pretty much scavenger hunts.



That said I dislike how in ME2 you can't equip items on your squad members, but I hear there's alternative outfits for them. So I guess it's good. Those outfits just better not be recolors. Like in Dragon Age where there was like 2 light armor models and then they just recolored. A lot. Ugh.

I just hope that in ME2 there's more variety to equipment.



I'm sure I'll have more complaints later on when I've actually played the game. Steam hasn't even let me start my preload. Urgh.

[Popstick]

Half-Life 2 doesn't share every single characteristic from Half-Life 1. That sure didn't stop HL2 from becoming one of the great shooters of our time. If BW had left everything intact from ME 1 and only changed the story for ME 2, you'd be calling them lazy for not trying to fix or remove the many flaws from ME 1. Maybe if you want a more complete RPG for ME 3, you should start with constructive criticism.

Example: For ME 3, why not have both an ammo and a cool-down system. You can still eject the heatsink like in ME 2, but if you run out, you'll still be able to fire, but only briefly and in short bursts to prevent overheating.

Or, for ME 3, while the unique outfits were a decent idea for ME 2, it still doesn't make sense that we can't at least equip our squad with better or more protective gear. If it's a suicide mission, wearing the best armour would seem like a no-brainer. Why not offer both? Customise their outfits as well as their armour.

And finally: For ME 3, why not give us slightly more abilities to choose from? ME 1 had too many redundant abilities. But ME 2 didn't have enough. Add more Biotic powers, more Tech powers so players have more options available to create a unique class.

See? It's not so difficult to give some decent feedback to BioWare for ME 3. It's a lot more helpful than the  'ME 2 is not a proper sequel!!!! BW have stuffed everything up!111' mentality that's around here.

Modifié par Popstick, 27 janvier 2010 - 06:01 .

[bauxville]

the skill planning is very dissapointing. it shows how much costumization was taken frrom the game.



the game is still awesome.

[Vagivan]

AKofC wrote...

I found the first game to be terribly boring and rather short. 3 planets and you're funneled into the end game.

The majority of the side quests were pretty much scavenger hunts.

That said I dislike how in ME2 you can't equip items on your squad members, but I hear there's alternative outfits for them. So I guess it's good. Those outfits just better not be recolors. Like in Dragon Age where there was like 2 light armor models and then they just recolored. A lot. Ugh.
I just hope that in ME2 there's more variety to equipment.

I'm sure I'll have more complaints later on when I've actually played the game. Steam hasn't even let me start my preload. Urgh.

they're new sets of clothing, very different from the ones i saw

[Vagivan]

btw i did not enjoy going through the inventory the whole time in my second playthrough of ME 2

plus the planets felt so bland doing them on the second time, i just rushed them and didnt feel how they would stay interesting the second time, let along 15 playthroughs

[Vohx]

Perhaps reading reviews before purchasing a product would help prevent any expectations you've put on the product from falling short.



Its been written many, many times that certain RPG elements have been stream-lined or redesigned for the sequel, it's the fault of the consumer if research isn't done before hand.



Caveat emptor, and all that.

[planguy]

The tactics of the battles are really fun, even though you are given only a handful of special abilities. Rather then in building your character your intelligence is tasked with how you use the abilities you have access to in battle.

[ShuMaKisO]

I'm loving it.



Love how you actually use your squadmates and picking the right ones for different missions matters. ME1 they might as well not have even been there since you could just rape everything by yourself easily.



I also really dont get how people think the class customization is dummed down. You can't max out every skill and you have to choose btw 2 different masteries at Rank 4. Guess people just look at numbers instead of realizing that there were really only 4 ranks of each skill in ME 1 too. the btws were meaningless 1-2%s and by the end you would have the same build everytime maxed out. Oh and you start getting to pick specialty powers from your loyal squad mates.



Most probably arent too far in the game yet I guess ><



But ya I'm loving the squad aspect a whole lot more. Really feel like part of a team in ME2. now just to finish making all theses suckers loyal.

[Orogenic]

Vohx wrote...

Perhaps reading reviews before purchasing a product would help prevent any expectations you've put on the product from falling short.

Its been written many, many times that certain RPG elements have been stream-lined or redesigned for the sequel, it's the fault of the consumer if research isn't done before hand.

Caveat emptor, and all that.

Sorry, tried to be clear in my original post.  The original Mass Effect was so good that I would have purchased the sequel just to see it for myself.

I'm not saying I've been hoodwinked, I'm just lamenting the fact that this game is so very different from the original.

[Arrtis]

I KNEW IT
M21 is gonna have horrible replayability
dang it
REplay is just as important as fun for me.

Modifié par Arrtis, 27 janvier 2010 - 06:16 .

[tommythetomcat]

Orogenic wrote...

Vohx wrote...

Perhaps reading reviews before purchasing a product would help prevent any expectations you've put on the product from falling short.

Its been written many, many times that certain RPG elements have been stream-lined or redesigned for the sequel, it's the fault of the consumer if research isn't done before hand.

Caveat emptor, and all that.

Sorry, tried to be clear in my original post.  The original Mass Effect was so good that I would have purchased the sequel just to see it for myself.

I'm not saying I've been hoodwinked, I'm just lamenting the fact that this game is so very different from the original.

Play Mario games if you want the same thing as the original... in Nintendo's case they still make money off a the exact same game for 20 years. 

[Orogenic]

Hehe.



Thanks for the clarification.. I now have a firm grasp of the level of discussion I can expect on this forum.

[sinosleep]

Nope. I think ME 2 is superior to ME 1 in practically every conceivable way. About the only change I don't like is getting rid of decrypting/hacking since it essentially got rid of the "rogue" class.

[Popstick]

Some of the best discussions on ME 1 revolved around the story and characters. Since most people haven't finished the game yet, you won't see decent, thoughtful debates for a few more weeks.