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[ShuMaKisO]

sinosleep wrote...

Nope. I think ME 2 is superior to ME 1 in practically every conceivable way. About the only change I don't like is getting rid of decrypting/hacking since it essentially got rid of the "rogue" class.

ya but its a trade off. now we dont have to bring a certain someone just to be able to open stuff. I like being able to bring whoever I choose, think would be a funny chatting pair, or tactically smart

[tommythetomcat]

Orogenic wrote...

Hehe.

Thanks for the clarification.. I now have a firm grasp of the level of discussion I can expect on this forum.

You sure you can grasp the fact that ME1 was riddled with flaws and poor game play designs.  Yet you wanted the "exact" same game?

[Orogenic]

tommythetomcat wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Hehe.

Thanks for the clarification.. I now have a firm grasp of the level of discussion I can expect on this forum.

You sure you can grasp the fact that ME1 was riddled with flaws and poor game play designs.  Yet you wanted the "exact" same game?

Congratulations on both having your own opinion and your excellent reading comprehension skills.


I was kidding about the second part : )

[Kabraxal]

Considering that most of the gameplay changes are for the worse (IMO), then I would prefer the clunky frustrations of ME1. I hate space exploration, I hate reloading, I hate the neutered skill trees, I hate the overhaul to skill immunity and recharge... really, people saying this is an actual improvement is confusing.

[KingDan97]

Orogenic wrote...

Hehe.

Thanks for the clarification.. I now have a firm grasp of the level of discussion I can expect on this forum.

Says the man who's OP was a huge load of unconstructive criticism. You wanna badmouth Bioware then do so but to complain because the most tedious RPG inventory system I've ever seen has been removed and replaced with a streamlined experience to give each weapon a unique feel and model is ludicrous. There are still plenty of missions to do if you look around, the story is just as expansive and choice based as ME1, if not more considering the number of missions you have over ME1. Achievements were a grindfest in ME1, each is now achievable within one or two playthroughs reasonably in ME2. Skill trees are still able to be made unique through different masteries for both you and your squadmates. As for the characters if you don't care about them then you haven't explored them, in ME1 they weren't very deep and only Garrus' views could be changed based on what you told him. Everyone else would just be pissed at you which didn't make a single bit of difference in the end since no one could die.



To Clarify:
I loved ME1 but ME2 was a better game on all levels and if you don't see that then you're either afraid of change or are a RPG purist which means you should make sure your character gets water soon or he'll die. These were decisions the development team made based on the COMMUNITY SUGGESTIONS. To complain about them is to in affect complain about yourself. There were no threads saying that ME2 should be a shooter when ME1 launched, just that there were horribly broken systems. If you want to experience ME1 in comparison to ME2 then I dare you to try a new character and tell me that ME2 is broken, because it fixed all of ME1's issues.

[Kabraxal]

I finished a playthroug in ME1 minutes before delving into ME2... and ME2 pales in comparison to ME1 in almost all aspects.

- the reloading is frustrating and tedious
- space exploration is not only tedious, but boring at least the MAKO gave you amazing views of moons, stars, an different landscapes.
- the power usage in ME2 is horrible... it is nowhere near as intuitive or fluid as ME1
- massive dumbing down of all skill trees
- the complaint that is damning instead of simply a minor frustration or annoyance... carry over. Disappointing to say the least, but in terms of LI it breaks the suspension of disbelief... and Liara absolutely destroys much of this game. Such bad writing and management to allow such a greivous **** up with a character is mind boggling.

Modifié par Kabraxal, 27 janvier 2010 - 06:37 .

[KingDan97]

Kabraxal wrote...

I finished a playthroug in ME1 minutes before delving into ME2... and ME2 pales in comparison to ME1 in almost all aspects.

- the reloading is frustrating and tedious
- space exploration is not only tedious, but boring at least the MAKO gave you amazing views of moons, stars, an different landscapes.
- the power usage in ME2 is horrible... it is nowhere near as intuitive or fluid as ME1
- massive dumbing down of all skill trees
- the complaint that is damning instead of simply a minor frustration or annoyance... carry over. Disappointing to say the least, but in terms of LI it breaks the suspension of disbelief... and Liara absolutely destroys much of this game. Such bad writing and management to allow such a greivous **** up with a character is mind boggling.

Great, then don't play it. They're not just gonna patch out all the parts that you don't want. Return it, resell on E-Bay, hell, you could even give it away to a friend if you hate it that much. Also "I die"  isn't a complaint about the game, it's a complaint about your skills.

[tommythetomcat]

Kabraxal wrote...

I finished a playthroug in ME1 minutes before delving into ME2... and ME2 pales in comparison to ME1 in almost all aspects.

- the reloading is frustrating and tedious
- space exploration is not only tedious, but boring at least the MAKO gave you amazing views of moons, stars, an different landscapes.
- the power usage in ME2 is horrible... it is nowhere near as intuitive or fluid as ME1
- massive dumbing down of all skill trees
- the complaint that is damning instead of simply a minor frustration or annoyance... carry over. Disappointing to say the least, but in terms of LI it breaks the suspension of disbelief... and Liara absolutely destroys much of this game. Such bad writing and management to allow such a greivous **** up with a character is mind boggling.

It's fun to have opinions, sadly I have them too and are of the exact opposite of you... its almost like your opinion doesn't matter to anyone but yourself.

[Orogenic]

KingDan97 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Hehe.

Thanks for the clarification.. I now have a firm grasp of the level of discussion I can expect on this forum.

Says the man who's OP was a huge load of unconstructive criticism. You wanna badmouth Bioware then do so but to complain because the most tedious RPG inventory system I've ever seen has been removed and replaced with a streamlined experience to give each weapon a unique feel and model is ludicrous. There are still plenty of missions to do if you look around, the story is just as expansive and choice based as ME1, if not more considering the number of missions you have over ME1. Achievements were a grindfest in ME1, each is now achievable within one or two playthroughs reasonably in ME2. Skill trees are still able to be made unique through different masteries for both you and your squadmates. As for the characters if you don't care about them then you haven't explored them, in ME1 they weren't very deep and only Garrus' views could be changed based on what you told him. Everyone else would just be pissed at you which didn't make a single bit of difference in the end since no one could die.



To Clarify:
I loved ME1 but ME2 was a better game on all levels and if you don't see that then you're either afraid of change or are a RPG purist which means you should make sure your character gets water soon or he'll die. These were decisions the development team made based on the COMMUNITY SUGGESTIONS. To complain about them is to in affect complain about yourself. There were no threads saying that ME2 should be a shooter when ME1 launched, just that there were horribly broken systems. If you want to experience ME1 in comparison to ME2 then I dare you to try a new character and tell me that ME2 is broken, because it fixed all of ME1's issues.

Once again, congrats on having your own opinion.

I'm hoping that my criticism will be anything but unconstructive.  I would hope that feedback from the many people that share my concerns might have some influence on the development of future games.

I think I made it clear that I do not begrudge anyone for their opinions.  I have to say that the hostility that some people demonstrate here borders on being downright funny.

I personally really enjoyed ME 1- probably more than any single-player game I've ever encountered.  Strangely, I think this had an effect on my decision to purchase ME 2....  although I'm still trying to unravel that mystery....

[Veen130]

[Platemaster347]

I played through ME 1 at least a dozen times and enjoyed every minute of it.

ME 2 is the first game I've ever pre-ordered.  It will also be the last.

I'm not saying ME 2 is necessarily a bad game in its own right, but it is missing so much that made the original unique that it seems almost misleading to call it a sequel.

ME2 is so linear it hurts. 

Simplify the inventory system? That would have been great.  Completely eliminate loot and inventory?? What??

ME 2: I'm finding it hard to care if my team lives or dies...

etc, etc....


There are so many games out there that appeal to the simpler "shooter" mindset.  I've played a number of them and enjoyed them.  ME 1 was unique though.. something really special.  It was actually the only reason I didn't pitch my console completely.  Looks like I'll be able to clear up some space for new AV equipment now.


The game changes will certainly open up the Mass Effect series to a much larger customer base.  Can't fault a business for making a good business decision.  It is sad to realize, however, that games like ME 1 will forever remain vulnerable to their own success.

I agree completely, make no mistake, Mass Effect II is a great game, but I think all the items removed from the game and only 2-3 weapon options are not something I expect from Bioware (Well, I may after Dragon Age actually)

Guys, this could have been worse, like, X-57 Sniper Rifle (Palladium)?

[Arrtis]

KingDan97 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

I finished a playthroug in ME1 minutes before delving into ME2... and ME2 pales in comparison to ME1 in almost all aspects.

- the reloading is frustrating and tedious
- space exploration is not only tedious, but boring at least the MAKO gave you amazing views of moons, stars, an different landscapes.
- the power usage in ME2 is horrible... it is nowhere near as intuitive or fluid as ME1
- massive dumbing down of all skill trees
- the complaint that is damning instead of simply a minor frustration or annoyance... carry over. Disappointing to say the least, but in terms of LI it breaks the suspension of disbelief... and Liara absolutely destroys much of this game. Such bad writing and management to allow such a greivous **** up with a character is mind boggling.

Great, then don't play it. They're not just gonna patch out all the parts that you don't want. Return it, resell on E-Bay, hell, you could even give it away to a friend if you hate it that much. Also "I die"  isn't a complaint about the game, it's a complaint about your skills.

Ive said this before but this game will decide whether or not i get ME3:P
All that was as useful as me tell you to go wake up tomorrow and breathe.

[MMonkeyking]

I am so far liking ME2 its definitely a whole lot of fun, but that's coming from a guy that is only a couple hours in.
I get what your saying though, I kinda miss the inventory and the skill trees... " a bit too simplistic?" Yes kinda

Modifié par MMonkeyking, 27 janvier 2010 - 06:48 .

[Orogenic]

Also have to agree with some comments above... without giving spoilers, the writing and ideas in ME 2 are sophomoric compared to the first game.



Keep in mind this is only my opinion and I fully support your right to disagree.

[KingDan97]

Orogenic wrote...

Once again, congrats on having your own opinion.

I'm hoping that my criticism will be anything but unconstructive.  I would hope that feedback from the many people that share my concerns might have some influence on the development of future games.

I think I made it clear that I do not begrudge anyone for their opinions.  I have to say that the hostility that some people demonstrate here borders on being downright funny.

I personally really enjoyed ME 1- probably more than any single-player game I've ever encountered.  Strangely, I think this had an effect on my decision to purchase ME 2....  although I'm still trying to unravel that mystery....

Unfortunately, your opinion is a small minority at this point, and will decline as people with your opinion continue to leave the forums out of disappointment/anger. Also, find me one comment on this thread that attempts to insult/belittle you in any way. Most people said they disagree with you, I stated rebuttals to your points. If you consider either to be an attempt to attack you then you are sadly mistaken.

[Kabraxal]

KingDan97 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

I finished a playthroug in ME1 minutes before delving into ME2... and ME2 pales in comparison to ME1 in almost all aspects.

- the reloading is frustrating and tedious
- space exploration is not only tedious, but boring at least the MAKO gave you amazing views of moons, stars, an different landscapes.
- the power usage in ME2 is horrible... it is nowhere near as intuitive or fluid as ME1
- massive dumbing down of all skill trees
- the complaint that is damning instead of simply a minor frustration or annoyance... carry over. Disappointing to say the least, but in terms of LI it breaks the suspension of disbelief... and Liara absolutely destroys much of this game. Such bad writing and management to allow such a greivous **** up with a character is mind boggling.

Great, then don't play it. They're not just gonna patch out all the parts that you don't want. Return it, resell on E-Bay, hell, you could even give it away to a friend if you hate it that much. Also "I die"  isn't a complaint about the game, it's a complaint about your skills.

I've only died once... difficulty isn't an issue.  Nice try at straw manning an argument and completely invalidate your posts.  Obviously you simply think everyone needs to either bow to this game's supposed "glory" or shut up and move on. 

[Arrtis]

I wonder if people are counting everyone or just 10 maybe 20 people when they decide who is the majority or minority.

[tommythetomcat]

Platemaster347 wrote...

I played through ME 1 at least a dozen times and enjoyed every minute of it.

ME 2 is the first game I've ever pre-ordered.  It will also be the last.

I'm not saying ME 2 is necessarily a bad game in its own right, but it is missing so much that made the original unique that it seems almost misleading to call it a sequel.

ME2 is so linear it hurts. 

Simplify the inventory system? That would have been great.  Completely eliminate loot and inventory?? What??

ME 2: I'm finding it hard to care if my team lives or dies...

etc, etc....


There are so many games out there that appeal to the simpler "shooter" mindset.  I've played a number of them and enjoyed them.  ME 1 was unique though.. something really special.  It was actually the only reason I didn't pitch my console completely.  Looks like I'll be able to clear up some space for new AV equipment now.


The game changes will certainly open up the Mass Effect series to a much larger customer base.  Can't fault a business for making a good business decision.  It is sad to realize, however, that games like ME 1 will forever remain vulnerable to their own success.

I agree completely, make no mistake, Mass Effect II is a great game, but I think all the items removed from the game and only 2-3 weapon options are not something I expect from Bioware (Well, I may after Dragon Age actually)

Guys, this could have been worse, like, X-57 Sniper Rifle (Palladium)?

Exact same amount of weapon options as ME1 whoever used anything other than Specter gear VII and X is just trying to kid yourself.  Sure you used crap until then but how is that different, end game you have basically 1 choice of weapon.

[KingDan97]

Kabraxal wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

I finished a playthroug in ME1 minutes before delving into ME2... and ME2 pales in comparison to ME1 in almost all aspects.

- the reloading is frustrating and tedious
- space exploration is not only tedious, but boring at least the MAKO gave you amazing views of moons, stars, an different landscapes.
- the power usage in ME2 is horrible... it is nowhere near as intuitive or fluid as ME1
- massive dumbing down of all skill trees
- the complaint that is damning instead of simply a minor frustration or annoyance... carry over. Disappointing to say the least, but in terms of LI it breaks the suspension of disbelief... and Liara absolutely destroys much of this game. Such bad writing and management to allow such a greivous **** up with a character is mind boggling.

Great, then don't play it. They're not just gonna patch out all the parts that you don't want. Return it, resell on E-Bay, hell, you could even give it away to a friend if you hate it that much. Also "I die"  isn't a complaint about the game, it's a complaint about your skills.

I've only died once... difficulty isn't an issue.  Nice try at straw manning an argument and completely invalidate your posts.  Obviously you simply think everyone needs to either bow to this game's supposed "glory" or shut up and move on. 

"the reloading is frustrating and tedious" hmm... When do you reload then?

[Orogenic]

KingDan97 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Once again, congrats on having your own opinion.

I'm hoping that my criticism will be anything but unconstructive.  I would hope that feedback from the many people that share my concerns might have some influence on the development of future games.

I think I made it clear that I do not begrudge anyone for their opinions.  I have to say that the hostility that some people demonstrate here borders on being downright funny.

I personally really enjoyed ME 1- probably more than any single-player game I've ever encountered.  Strangely, I think this had an effect on my decision to purchase ME 2....  although I'm still trying to unravel that mystery....

Unfortunately, your opinion is a small minority at this point, and will decline as people with your opinion continue to leave the forums out of disappointment/anger. Also, find me one comment on this thread that attempts to insult/belittle you in any way. Most people said they disagree with you, I stated rebuttals to your points. If you consider either to be an attempt to attack you then you are sadly mistaken.

Go forth, and let your strong grasp of the obvious be your guide.

I stated very clearly in the original post that the changes in ME 2 would certainly open up the game to a much larger audience, and that I certainly understand a good business decision.

Now take a deep breath and repeat after me:

"It's OK that we all don't think the same way...."

[sinosleep]

Arrtis wrote...

I wonder if people are counting everyone or just 10 maybe 20 people when they decide who is the majority or minority.

They're prolly counting all the pro reviews and user reviews slathered all over the internet that are overwhelmingly positive and practically all of which say ME 2 is better than ME 1.

[Kabraxal]

KingDan97 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

I finished a playthroug in ME1 minutes before delving into ME2... and ME2 pales in comparison to ME1 in almost all aspects.

- the reloading is frustrating and tedious
- space exploration is not only tedious, but boring at least the MAKO gave you amazing views of moons, stars, an different landscapes.
- the power usage in ME2 is horrible... it is nowhere near as intuitive or fluid as ME1
- massive dumbing down of all skill trees
- the complaint that is damning instead of simply a minor frustration or annoyance... carry over. Disappointing to say the least, but in terms of LI it breaks the suspension of disbelief... and Liara absolutely destroys much of this game. Such bad writing and management to allow such a greivous **** up with a character is mind boggling.

Great, then don't play it. They're not just gonna patch out all the parts that you don't want. Return it, resell on E-Bay, hell, you could even give it away to a friend if you hate it that much. Also "I die"  isn't a complaint about the game, it's a complaint about your skills.

I've only died once... difficulty isn't an issue.  Nice try at straw manning an argument and completely invalidate your posts.  Obviously you simply think everyone needs to either bow to this game's supposed "glory" or shut up and move on. 

"the reloading is frustrating and tedious" hmm... When do you reload then?

Constantly switching between weapons and often having to dance around incoming hostiles while the brief animation occurs is frustrating and tedious.  The fact that it happens far too often in this game makes it worse.  They should have either kept the overheat in with the optional heat sink reload or at least given more clips or better ammo retention.

Really, stop making assumptions as to why someone hates a part of the game.  It had nothing to do with difficulty and more to do with adding complications to an already pathetic combat system.  This game is a massive step backwards from ME1 in gameplay.

[skinned77]

The OP makes some good points, but I think there will be plenty of re-playability out just out of the dialogue/interrupt system to change up the story + all the different playing styles the classes have.



Plus as Popstick already pointed out, the game has only been completely charted by a select few. I think the story will help move things along for at least the first playthrough. I'm dying to have questions answered that I'm not even sure I have yet.



That said I don't think I'll get bored so soon.

[Arrtis]

sinosleep wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

I wonder if people are counting everyone or just 10 maybe 20 people when they decide who is the majority or minority.

They're prolly counting all the pro reviews and user reviews slathered all over the internet that are overwhelmingly positive and practically all of which say ME 2 is better than ME 1.

doubtful
sounds like a bunch of shooter maniacs got the job to review a game.
I claim they were biased

[skinned77]

tommythetomcat wrote...
Exact same amount of weapon options as ME1 whoever used anything other than Specter gear VII and X is just trying to kid yourself.  Sure you used crap until then but how is that different, end game you have basically 1 choice of weapon.

So true! And after that, you were collecting nothing but omnigel.