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[Traumacrazy]

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[brgillespie]

jimmyjoefro wrote...
The Reapers lay dormant in Dark Space for however long it takes for their vanguard to call them back.  The Protheans didn't seal them off anywhere.  They were annihilated by the Reapers. 

Heading in a new direction is not a sequel. 

The reasons were cop outs at best. IMO, 2 years is not enough time to lose the kind of allegiance gained in ME1.

No, Jimmy. That's incorrect. A small surviving band of Protheans did indeed manage to seal the Reapers away in dark space.

Sovereign was the Reaper's vanguard. The whole reason he went about and collected up the Geth and Saren was because when he sent out the signal for the Citadel to open the mass relay to dark space, the signal was blocked thanks to the efforts of a small team of Prothean scientists that managed to survive the Reaper onslaught that wiped their species out.

The built a mass relay that teleported them to the Citadel where they uploaded a program or somesuch that prevented the keepers from acting the eventual signal to open the relay and bring the Reapers back.

Sovereign was destroyed at the end of the first game without ever getting the chance to manually open the relay itself. The Reapers are still hibernating out in dark space.

As far as the old crew vs. new crew, it is tough to truly debate that without hitting upon any potential spoilers. Suffice it to say, I didn't think the reasons were copouts. Shepard had been dead for 2 years, man.

Modifié par brgillespie, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:32 .

[walker834]

It's like the movie Titanic or Avatar. Are these really the best movies or just the biggest productions. There is something to be said for artistic integrity and individualism and capitalism here. This is what EA does is take a creative company on the verge and capitalizes. But at the same time EA isnt going to put money behind a game unless it targets a certain demographic and is going to make money. You can look at it one of two ways. I appreciate the production values here and a lot of what bioware did they might not have been able to achieve without EA's backing, but in the same regard alot of the artistic integrity and soul is lost. It is concerning to me a bit. IMO they took the rpg genre to the action adventure crowd. It is a blend of hte two. But after a while all these games like Gears, GTAIV, Assassins Creed are all becoming the same. Where's the difference and the creativity? Where's the meat and guts?   They are all ultimately being melded into the same thing.  What is the point of even levelling up in this game when you are just upgrading powers like Batman arkayn asylum? Are you really levelling up or just added powers as you go through the game.

Modifié par walker834, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:57 .

[Traumacrazy]

never saw avatar...was it any good?

[Kabraxal]

The gaming industry sadly has become just like Hollywood: generic piles of garbage touted as wonders of entertainment. It isn't surprising that I haven't gone to 5 movies in the past 5 years. Hell, I hardly watch TV anymore either because of the formulaic BS. I guess true gaming died with the PS2 and now we are going to be stuck with shooter after shooter after shooter... or "dark" and "edgy" game after "dark" and "edgy" game.

[Traumacrazy]

Kabraxal wrote...

The gaming industry sadly has become just like Hollywood: generic piles of garbage touted as wonders of entertainment. It isn't surprising that I haven't gone to 5 movies in the past 5 years. Hell, I hardly watch TV anymore either because of the formulaic BS. I guess true gaming died with the PS2 and now we are going to be stuck with shooter after shooter after shooter... or "dark" and "edgy" game after "dark" and "edgy" game.

QFT

art < $

Modifié par Traumacrazy, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:40 .

[walker834]

What's sad is not to sound old but kids that havent experienced other things arent going to even realize you can actually do different things and go outside every once in a while. I read an interesting article about how developers these days dont even know how to make games anymore or be creative. They are more about pushing graphics and graphic artists, and just trying to make things as realistic as possible vs actually creating an actual game.  It's the same with TV and movies and reality tv and all that crap.  Thinking outside of the box is actually bad for business.  I have no issue with making money and if bioware wants to sell out to make money that makes perfect sense to me, but in the same regard it's disapointing.  It's like if you are a human being and actually have a mind of your own that's bad.

Modifié par walker834, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:49 .

[Rosebudking]

Kabraxal wrote...

I finished a playthroug in ME1 minutes before delving into ME2... and ME2 pales in comparison to ME1 in almost all aspects.

- the reloading is frustrating and tedious
- space exploration is not only tedious, but boring at least the MAKO gave you amazing views of moons, stars, an different landscapes.
- the power usage in ME2 is horrible... it is nowhere near as intuitive or fluid as ME1
- massive dumbing down of all skill trees
- the complaint that is damning instead of simply a minor frustration or annoyance... carry over. Disappointing to say the least, but in terms of LI it breaks the suspension of disbelief... and Liara absolutely destroys much of this game. Such bad writing and management to allow such a greivous **** up with a character is mind boggling.

• Reloading is fine it take about a sec and ammo drops everywere
• I haven't done much exploing yet so I don't have an opinion on this yet
• Horrible? I find them much better to use, the curveing of boitics is vary fun and usefull. The globle cool down is ok, but I think the first one may have been slightly better, will have to play more to see how it is later in the game.
• I love what they have done with the skill trees. If I am a War hero why the hell do I need to wast points to shoot a gun better. And you also had to waste points for charm and intimidation, now you just go for the skills.
• Did not get that far, so no opinion

Yes for "true RPG" fans this was a "let down" but in an RPG (to me) Is a good story and choices that effect that story, Mass effect (1 & 2) is great at that. To me people have mostly ranted on ammo, inventory, and new skill trees, they do not make ME2 any less of an RPG then ME

Game is great, if you do not like it don't play. Games are about fun, If people dislike a game why do they still play and rant about how "bad" it is?

[Ozymandias23]

Popstick wrote...

And for the record, the original ME wasn't perfect either. Sluggish shooter mechanics mixed with limited dialogue, a horrendous inventory, redundant skills and tedious, repetitive level designs and exploration can hardly be considered a 'solid' foundation.

No, Mass Effect 1 wasn't a perfect game. It had its flaws, of which we're all well aware so I don't need to repeat them here. However Mass Effect 2 is not nor could it ever be considered a continuation of the story. As someone rightly posted the 'story' of ME2 would have fitted perfectly as a novel, or as dlc but not as a main plot for the game. ME2's focus is gathering team mates and getting to know them .....  I had team mates that I had already gotten to know. Why must I spend hours and hours and hours getting to know a bunch of new people instead of being able to focus on the 'continuing story' of ME1? Including the ME1 team would have meant we could have had some character development but focused more on the story. But then ME2 isn't a continuing story is it? It's not a sequel in any sense of the word.

I'm left with the impression that bioware couldn't come up with a strong enough story for ME2 and so focused on get to know your new squad mates. Pointless really as it's perfectly apparent they will only ever have cameos in ME3.

Modifié par Ozymandias23, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:57 .

[Lmaoboat]

I'd say ME2 is a great TPS/RPG if it was the first one I played, but it just feels so shallow compared to the first one.

[Subject One]

Orogenic wrote...

We don't all have the same tastes, thankfully.

I don't fault anyone for what they like or don't like.

I could ask you with just as much credibility how you can stand to play through ME 2 even once, because I'm fairly sure I'm going to be thwarted by boredom before I achieve that goal.


Call me crazy for expecting a sequel to share some characteristics with the original.

Thankfully reviewers also doesn't have your tastes, because a great game would be bashed for not having the 'Hardcore RPG Seal of Quality'. Simply put: ME1 is great but some RPG things like combat or inventory didn't work so well. In ME2 Bioware has changed it and now is a more action oriented game. And it seems that the f***ing game kicks serious asses. So I can't wait to play it. But you and all the other complainers can stay here whining because the game isn't what you want to be.

My take: if ME2 is a great game i dont give a s**t about the 'lost' RPG elements. A great action oriented game is better than a game with average RPG gameplay. And seems that most reviewers thing the same.

[Ozymandias23]

Subject One wrote...

Thankfully reviewers also doesn't have your tastes .....snip/

Get real.

$$$$$$$ = 5 star review

Modifié par Ozymandias23, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:02 .

[walker834]

Kabraxal wrote...

The gaming industry sadly has become just like Hollywood: generic piles of garbage touted as wonders of entertainment. It isn't surprising that I haven't gone to 5 movies in the past 5 years. Hell, I hardly watch TV anymore either because of the formulaic BS. I guess true gaming died with the PS2 and now we are going to be stuck with shooter after shooter after shooter... or "dark" and "edgy" game after "dark" and "edgy" game.

what's amazing is EA keeps becoming bigger and bigger and keep recording record losses every quarter.  And you wonder why we are in a recession and the economy is crap.  There isn't the same diversity.   Maybe someone else has to be in control and these companies are getting way too big for the common good.  Not to get all political but greed is a messed up thing.   I also think there are other things going on in the world we don't know about.  When companies like walmart and EA and Exxon etc are all deciding what i can do with my money and where i can shop.  Some people don't even realize it, they just kind of accept what is handed to them, but if they open up their eyes they might. 

Modifié par walker834, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:09 .

[Subject One]

Ozymandias23 wrote...

Subject One wrote...

Thankfully reviewers also doesn't have your tastes .....snip/

Get real.

$$$$$$$ = 5 star review

Yeah. Hardcore magazines like Edge are well knowed for selling its ass to every company. Come on' you can give better arguments.

[walker834]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

walker834 wrote...

what's amazing is EA keeps becoming bigger and bigger and keep recording record losses every quarter.  And you wonder why we are in a recession and the economy is crap.  There isn't the same diversity.   Maybe someone else has to be in control and these companies are getting way too big for the common good.  Not to get all political but greed is a messed up thing.   I also think there are other things going on in the world we don't know about.  When companies like walmart and EA and Exxon etc are all deciding what i can do with my money and where i can shop.  Some people don't even realize it, they just kind of accept what is handed to them, but if they open up their eyes they might.

Wait wait wait, did you just correlate EA's behavior as a reason the economy is in a downturn?

Have you even been paying attention to the direction EA has been going in the past 2 years or so?  Since Bioware was acquired and John Ricilietto got CEO?

Yes i did in a way.  Why does it cost 3 dollars a gallon for gas and 20 bucks to go see a
movie?  It shouldn't.. Why are prices going up and the job market and
places we can work are shrinking?    I work in IT and why do I have to
pay microsoft for everything that i want to do?   Why does EA keep
buying up companies and licenses so other companies can't get into the
game.   Those are tough questions people rarely ask.

[Kabraxal]

Shooters fare better with gaming magazines. ME2 has become the typical mediocore shooter and thus "professional" reviewers are falling all over themselves to fawn over the game. What really shines a light on the stupidity of these reviews is that there are quite a few that actually list negatives and quite forcefully (the loss of many RPG elements, lacking story, lacking side quests, the probing) and yet still turn right around and scream "damn near perfect"...



Profressional reviews cannot be trusted.

[Ozymandias23]

Subject One wrote...

Ozymandias23 wrote...

Subject One wrote...

Thankfully reviewers also doesn't have your tastes .....snip/

Get real.

$$$$$$$ = 5 star review

Yeah. Hardcore magazines like Edge are well knowed for selling its ass to every company. Come on' you can give better arguments.

Now name practically every other gaming site and mag and say the same. My point stands.

[I Vigil I]

lol I dont think i will ever get bored of this franchise or this one game alone.  Literally beat the first mass effect 20 times, now im shooting for 40 with mass effect 2

[Subject One]

Kabraxal wrote...

Shooters fare better with gaming magazines. ME2 has become the typical mediocore shooter and thus "professional" reviewers are falling all over themselves to fawn over the game. What really shines a light on the stupidity of these reviews is that there are quite a few that actually list negatives and quite forcefully (the loss of many RPG elements, lacking story, lacking side quests, the probing) and yet still turn right around and scream "damn near perfect"...

Profressional reviews cannot be trusted.

I find people on these forums extremely biased against action games. OK, if ME2 is a 'typical mediocre shooter', what is in your opinion a 'great shooter'. Do you like any shooter? Oh, yeah, I know, shooters are for retarded people, and no 'pro' RPG gamer can have a good time with action combat withour rolling a dice.

And yeah, reviewers are not blind and they have questioned some things about ME2, but they think that the good things on the game are exceeding the issues of the game and that is a better game than ME1.

Also you say that the sidequests are no good? This implies that ME1 sidquests were better? REALLY?

[Ozymandias23]

Kabraxal wrote...

Shooters fare better with gaming magazines. ME2 has become the typical mediocore shooter and thus "professional" reviewers are falling all over themselves to fawn over the game. What really shines a light on the stupidity of these reviews is that there are quite a few that actually list negatives and quite forcefully (the loss of many RPG elements, lacking story, lacking side quests, the probing) and yet still turn right around and scream "damn near perfect"...

Profressional reviews cannot be trusted.

QFT

They give a great score and a flashy headline knowing many won't bother to read beyond it.

[Sambone757]

I'm not gonna hop on the Anti-Bandwagon Bandwagon with this one... I personally think Bioware has done a fantastic job on ME2. I can't completely comprehend why on earth so many people would totally blow off a game because they removed/improved on a ton of annoyances from ME1.



Maybe it's that typical anti-mainstream mentality. "OHNOE ! There's more shooter than RPG! I can't play this junk, I won't be cool anymore!~"



It really is OK to step out or your box every once in a while. Give it time. If you stay open minded to change, it will be good for you. Otherwise you will never be satisfied with what you get in life.



Also, to anyone saying Bioware is going against everything they have done, go play MDK2... it'll do you well.

[walker834]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

walker834 wrote...

Yes i did in a way.  Why does it cost 3 dollars a gallon for gas and 20 bucks to go see a
movie?  It shouldn't.. Why are prices going up and the job market and
places we can work are shrinking?    I work in IT and why do I have to
pay microsoft for everything that i want to do?   Why does EA keep
buying up companies and licenses so other companies can't get into the
game.   Those are tough questions people rarely ask.

That's the kicker: you're an IT.  You have no concept of how economics or business works.

Oh, and in case you haven't noticed EA hasn't been "buying up companies."  They've been struggling like the rest of the world and they've had to let go of thousands of workers, including shutting down Pandemic Studios.

My father is a marketing major.  MY brother in law works for fidelity.  Both my sister and bro in law went to BC and were finance majors.   I have a degree and took economics.  I also dabbled in business before i went into CS.  Just because i have a CS degree doesnt mean that's all I do. I do have a life and balance my checkbook every day.   Common sense is something that is overlooked.    I also have sociology majors in my family.  My uncle went to notre dame and runs one of the largest psych clinics int eh nation.  MY grandfatehr went to harvard and was a music major so I have the art too.   My grandfather on my mom's side was a farmer so I'm grounded as well.  Like you said EA is losing money and laying off workers which is what i was saying.  I do understand it more than you think.  Maybe they are losing money and laying off workers because they aren't being responsible with what they have.  It trickles down.  Why is EA putting tons of money into these huge projects and marketing them and buying up companies when the economy is crap and laying off workers at the same time.   Maybe because they are trying to save their own ass and being selfish and don't care how much money they milk out of people?

Modifié par walker834, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:26 .