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[frankf43]

So not gonna happen.

[Greypaul]

Knock Knock

 

Who's there ?

 

Warden

 

Warden who ?

 

Warden you like me back ?

 

NO

 

No !!!!!!!!!!

 

Maker curse you....I..........deserved............................more..........................................DLC !    

[Dai Grepher]

DONT TRY TO SPEAK FOR EVERYONE!!!! I couldn't give two sh*** for the Hero of Fereldon. Hell! I didn't even bother to properly import mine. I just picked the first one I saw in the Dragon Age keep & went with it because I know they would never appear in the game.

To me the Hero was just a souless cypher meant to represent the player. They had no personality what so ever & made them completely unrelatable. At least Hawke & The Inquisitor have something to relate to because they can talk.

 

Apparently you didn't even bother to read my first post either. I am sorry that you created such a boring Hero, but as I wrote in my first post, bringing the Hero back would also mean having the option to leave the Hero out of the next game and choose their ending so that the Hero never has to be brought up again.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Assuming that the option exists, which I suspect will not be the case, just like how there's no option for Hawke to go back to Kirkwall while some other person leads us to the Warden ally. In any case, what we choose would have to be a part of the Keep, rather than the game itself, and since no Warden-related options exist beyond Origins and Awakening, we likely won't see anything, considering that the Keep only updates to the next game after that game's release.

 

Well in my above example, it would be like Varric asking the Inquisitor if he should contact his friend or not, and then the player would be able to tell Varric not to, in which case Hawke would not have been in the game. We are discussing hypotheticals here, but obviously this option didn't exist because the developers didn't consider it. But just because Inquisition didn't have this option for the Champion doesn't mean a future game couldn't feature it for the Hero.

 

Clearly the Keep would be involved, as will be the case with all future titles anyway, but the option to leave the Hero out of it could still be in the game. But yes, a list of possible options could exist in Keep that once selected will display different story endings/epilogues that apply to the Hero.

 

And then BioWare could safely end the Hero's story on that note.

[Dai Grepher]

how do you know what i want without even asking?

 

This thread is powered by Cole.

 

Seriously though, because the suggestion I made in the first post covers all fan preferences.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Hmm ok.... But how does the dead hero of ferelden tie into all this? Dragon Age 4: Wandering in the Void?

 

Just no, please stop this HoF comeback movement... So many reasons for it not to happen. I want a concise, story driven, epic and emotional game for DA4, thats impossible if the game is about the Hero of Ferelden cause they would have to make 3 or 4 different games inside 1 game in light of all the player choices from Origins, and that would just detiorate the quality of the "main story", cause instead of one, there would be several, making them bland and unatractive.

 

Dragon Age is not like Mass Effect trilogy, there is no Shepard here!! Each game has its own protagonist, and its never about the protagonist, its about Thedas.. When will people finally realize that and give the HoF a rest???

 

As stated in the first post, the dead Hero ties into this through the Hero's tomb at Weisshaupt. It would be customized to that Hero's origin and choices during Origins.

 

Name one reason for it not to happen that has not already been addressed by my first post.

 

The next game won't have to be about the Hero. It just has to feature the Hero in some capacity. Even if it's as an NPC.

 

They would not need to make more than one game even if the Hero were a companion character, or even the main character (which I'm against, personally). All they would have to do is have the option open like it was in Awakening. Either you import your Hero, or you select your Hero's fate, and then have a different character fill that role instead. Same voice actors with the Hero.

 

The Hero would not need to be the main protagonist.

[Dai Grepher]

As much as I disagree with the OP on a lot of things, I still think he has the right to say what he want, BUT. Isnt there 1000 more threads like this? Why create a new one? Why bother? Why post the same threads all over the forum, pepole that want the HOf to return, create one big thread, and thats it. Cuz when you pepole create 100 of them(not literally) Its really annoying and it is smashing other threads. Btw, just used your post as an example lol. Whoa been a long time since I have been at the drinkquisition

 

No, this is the only thread of its kind, as far as I know. This thread isn't about bringing the Hero back. It's a point about the fanbase and our wants. It's about a solution that satisfies all fans.
 

[Dai Grepher]

HoF is dead in the moment that Riordan said a warden must be sacrificed,that is the exact moment in which you know that your character from mandatory is transformed to non-mandatory, Joining the Grey Wardens is a dead sentence.

 

"Dead" isn't the right word. Maybe you meant "irrelevant" or "unimportant", but I would disagree with that as well. The Hero can return in Awakening and two other DLCs. The Hero is also referenced in DA2 and DA:I. The epilogue of DA:I also seems to indicate that Weisshaupt will play some role in a future installment, which is likely to involved the Hero. In any case, many Heroes can go beyond the Wardens. They all become Arl of Amaranthine regardless, and the Cousland can become a monarch of all Ferelden. That's hardly "dead" in terms of importance and storyline.

[Dai Grepher]

Well, yes and no, since obviously there is always a second Grey Warden to do the deed for you. The more important thing is that there's only so much BioWare could write into a single game to account for all of these different outcomes. Letters and codex entries are the easy way to let the character continue to exist without having to create entire plots tied specifically to that character, unless BioWare decides to totally disregard certain choices and make a character exist whether we like it or not, like they did with Leliana, and I guess Anders, and I really don't want them to do that again.

 

You wouldn't need to create entire plots. Just one to three plots, and then varying lines depending on Origin, choices, and personality. It wouldn't be that difficult to implement. But this isn't the topic for explaining how it could happen. Maybe that will be my next thread.
 

[Dai Grepher]

 

There is another grey warden or even the DR, however  there is also the option to kill The Warden  and the mere existence of that option force the developers to remove the protagonist even if He/she is survived  to maintain the integrity (little expansions of DAA is there just to be there). 

I wish that Dragon age will not have such a stupid death like the sacrifice ever again, 2000 years and the wardens have never find another way to kill archdemons other than find some unfortunate Warden (Corin,Gharael sigh,Loghain sorry you are the only one who truly deserve this ) is just unbelievable, I wonder what do they do during their free time between one blight and the next other than enjoy the conscription of new recruits? they do not even need to waste their time to feed the Griffins......

The Inquisitor can handle the situations with the archdemon better than them,by banishing him into the fade as meal for demons.

 

 

That would probably end in disaster. The archdemon would then be able to fly up to the Black City and gain the corrupted power that exists there. Anyway, Awakening proved that the Hero is still needed, and always will be.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Unless the Hero of Ferelden is dead, which is a supported state.

I have long thought that the Hero of Ferelden would make a good surprise villain in a future game, but the possibility that he's dead makes it difficult commit sufficient resources to him.

 

No. Read the first post please. The dead Hero would have a custom tomb at Weisshault, where the new protagonist or Inquisitor would be able to see it and read about the Hero's life.

 

Side villain would work. Or just have an either/or like Samson and Calpernia.

[Dai Grepher]

I hate to burst your bubble, OP, but I have to say I'm in that group who doesn't want the HoF's return as a playable character.  The scenarios you propose aren't even imaginative, just a rehashing of old ideas already argued by "Bring back the warden" fans and grasping at straws in an attempt to add significance to the character that I just don't feel warrants it.  I enjoyed my wardens and their stories, but I feel Bioware's solution (gone off in search of the cure for the Calling) was a sufficient end to the living warden's story.  And replacing the Inquisitor (who is, whether you like it or not) the focus of Inquisition, with the warden in a DLC is a huge step backward story-wise.  Inquisition already takes place in more than just Ferelden, where the warden's impact is most keenly felt.  You get a memorial statue in Redcliffe, detailing his noble sacrifice (if dead) and a mission letter stating where he has gone if alive.  And the events of the Blight are a decade in the past.  It's always been the fate of the GW's that people forget about them if there isn't a Blight clawing at the land.  How do you think Loghain gained so much credibility trying to discredit the order?

I'm sorry if you don't feel that you have enough closure, and I know you have lots of other players who agree with you (as I have seen multitude of 'bring back the warden' threads on BSN), but I have no desire to step backward into the shoes of a character I feel has been played out to my satisfaction.  So i disagree, that no, not EVERYone wants the return of the warden, and you saying so doesn't make it reality, it just makes it your opinion.  I much prefer the story move on and I learn more of Thedas and it's lore.  I'm pretty much sick to death of the Grey Wardens at this point.

 

Personally, I hope there are no 'returning cameos' in the next game and it takes place 50 years in the future from Inquisition.

 

I didn't write that the Hero had to return as a playable character. Just that the Hero must return in some capacity so that players can at least choose an appropriate end for the Hero.

 

This isn't the thread for all sorts of scenarios. I merely addressed the mechanics of bringing the Hero back and how to satisfy all fans by allowing the option to leave the Hero out of that game and decide the Hero's fate. To the best of my knowledge, none of my suggestions were stated in other threads.

 

Going off in search for a cure isn't an end though. That is just a new quest. That in no way implies that the Hero's story will end with that search, nor with the actual finding or even use of the cure. My main Hero is the King of Ferelden. So he isn't going to spend the next 17 years of his life searching for something that might not even exist. If he finds it, he will use it, and then return to Anora and their kingdom. So the cure quest did not end anything, it only renewed the Hero's story.

 

If you feel the Hero deserves no extra attention, then under my suggestion you would have the option to leave the Hero out of the next game and choose your Hero's end.

 

I never wrote that the Inquisitor would be replaced by the Hero.

 

You write that people remember the Hero through the memorial and the letter, then in the next sentence write that people forget the Grey Wardens when there is no blight. Which is it?

 

Had you read the first post you would understand that bringing the Hero back is what would allow you to give that Hero a conclusive ending, and you wouldn't have to play as that Hero if you didn't want to.

[AlanC9]

(munches popcorn)

[Dai Grepher]

That's because this horse has been beaten into a paste at this point.

 

 

 

Only in your own mind?

But you already know what you're doing here and it isn't a genuine desire to see the Warden from Origins return. I'm placing this and all the rest of these HoF spam threads into status.

 

No, not in my mind, according to Inquisition the Hero is now back in action looking for the cure to the taint. The Hero has encountered challenges of his or her own according to the Hero's letter.

 

You would be irrational to doubt me or dismiss this. If finding and posting a solution to include what all fans want isn't a genuine desire to see the Hero return, then nothing is.

[Dai Grepher]

 

HoF is gone, period.

Stop with the whining he/she is over regardless of your personal DAO ending or headcanon because the US has watered down them all.

 

 

HoF is back and looking for the cure. Fact.

 

The US is waiting in a tomb at Weisshaupt. Fact.

[Dai Grepher]

That's a lot of tekst OP, anyway:

 

 

1. Which companion stays with you at the end of DAI depends on the amount of approval you have with them. So in some games, even Varric, Iron Bull and Dorian stay.

2. The HOF is important in three storylines:

- The Morrigan/Flemeth/Kieran storyline;

- Darkspawn and Blights;

- Political situation in Ferelden or Orzammar.

However as DAI showed he is not essential for these storylines. For example, we dealt with Flemeth/Mythal just fine, without him being around.

 

The best thing would be if the HOF slowly faded into obscurity and never appears in Dragon Age game again.

 

I had max approval from Varric and he said he would leave eventually. Just because they stick around at the end of the game doesn't mean they'll be there for a long time. They will leave at some point in the near future, like the new Divine. She will have to leave eventually but for now she will stay and assist the Inquisition.

 

Even in those three storylines, the Hero would be important because those issues are important. DAI showed the Hero was not essential to them because at their core the issues were not addressed. The Inquisition only scratched the surface. Mythal got away with her plan, in case you didn't notice that fact. The Inquisitor could not act against her because she had control of either the Inquisitor or Morrigan. That's pretty far from "just fine".

 

Morrigan states that the Hero is not one to just fade into the background, and such an ending would not fit most people's Heroes. So no, that would not be best. What would be best is letting players have the choice to make the Hero's ending epic, tragic, boring, quick, meaningful, etc.
 

[Sunnie]

HoF is away and looking for the cure. Fact.

 

 

Fixed.

 

Back would mean making at least an appearance in DA:I, all we get in some cases is a letter from abroad. Hawke was back, HoF was not.

[LinksOcarina]

Eh, I don't want my heroes back in the end. 

 

In fact, I quite like the sort of "anthology" going on in Dragon Age, where it is different protagonists each time. Gives the world more character.

[Call Me Jord]

(munches popcorn)

 

[Il Divo]

Fixed.

 

Back would mean making at least an appearance in DA:I, all we get in some cases is a letter from abroad. Hawke was back, HoF was not.

 

Honestly, even the letter struck me as more about fan service than a halfway serious plotline. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware has no intention of doing anything with this plot line and just lets it drop or keeps it vague.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Fixed.

 

Back would mean making at least an appearance in DA:I, all we get in some cases is a letter from abroad. Hawke was back, HoF was not.

 

"Back" only means that the Hero's story continues and is given new canon content. This is opposed to the Hero not being mentioned at all, or only mentioned in passing. BioWare has given the Hero a NEW storyline, and the codex states that the Hero faces challenges of his or her own. So this does count as the Hero being back. The only Hero who isn't back is the UltSac Hero.
 

Not being in the game just means that the Hero doesn't make an appearance. It doesn't mean the Hero isn't back. Like Arl Teagan. His story is updated to where he is an arl, and he has involvement with the plot of the game (as can the Hero). Just because we don't see him doesn't mean he didn't make a comeback.

[Dai Grepher]

Eh, I don't want my heroes back in the end. 

 

In fact, I quite like the sort of "anthology" going on in Dragon Age, where it is different protagonists each time. Gives the world more character.

 

I didn't write that the Hero had to come back as the main protagonist, but you do at least want the Hero back so that you can end the Hero's legacy on your terms. As it stands now, BioWare is creating more plot for the Heroes who you don't want to see more of.

[dsl08002]

I didn't write that the Hero had to come back as the main protagonist, but you do at least want the Hero back so that you can end the Hero's legacy on your terms. As it stands now, BioWare is creating more plot for the Heroes who you don't want to see more of.

Especially creating Heroes with no conclusion to their story (exception of US warden)

[Toasted Llama]

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Seriously though, because the suggestion I made in the first post covers all fan preferences.
 

 

There's hundreds of thousands of people playing DA:I, I'm guessing at least a couple of thousands of them are fans big enough to care about their HoF. And last time I checked most people all had a different idea of their HoF/different preferences/tastes/desires/etc.

[Dai Grepher]

Honestly, even the letter struck me as more about fan service than a halfway serious plotline. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware has no intention of doing anything with this plot line and just lets it drop or keeps it vague.
 

 

I think it was more of a way to resolve the false impression given in DA2 and explain why the Hero doesn't get directly involved in DA:I's events. If they wanted to drop the Hero's story abruptly, as you think they will, then I think they would have done it already. Whatever the case, the Hero's story has been updated with new canon events. So the Hero is back. As for the significance of the cure, I think it will play a crucial role in upcoming storylines. Aside from the Wardens, the taint itself has a story of its own. What the taint is, how it works, and its manner of origin. It is all very lore heavy. Who knows, the cure might even be the key to cleansing the Black City.