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[TK514]

No, I succeeded. Just because you don't realize it or don't want to admit it doesn't mean I failed. Most likely, you simply misunderstood my post, or neglected to read it at all.
 
My suggestion would allow you to keep your Hero out of the story and create a final ending for that Hero so you never have to see him or her again. In order to do that you must first get the Hero back under your control. So clearly you DO want the Hero to return.

Your arrogance would be insulting if you weren't so amusingly ignorant.

My hero already had a final ending. Under a Gryphon statue in Redcliffe. Nothing more ever needs to be said. Beyond that, I would actually be happier if nothing were ever said again about YOUR hero. If they just let the 'cure' hook drop and never mentioned it again. No conclusion, no discussion, no codex, just ignored forevermore.

So no, I don't want the Hero of Ferelden back.

[JamieCOTC]

I think what we can really take from DA:I is that Thedas is not Tamriel. It is not the star of the show. While the lore might be a nice bonus, without a character we can call our own, shape their life w/ choices and tones, the story of Thedas is really not that interesting.

[berelinde]

All I know is that somewhere out there, there's a War Table operation with a repeatable "Inflate HoF Fan Numbers" where Krem goes out and starts a bazillion "Bring back the HoF" threads.

 

It doesn't generate any gold or influence, but it does open up a repeatable "Make OGB Canon!" mission. The reward for that one is 3 Spindleweed.

[KaiserShep]

I think what we can really take from DA:I is that Thedas is not Tamriel. It is not the star of the show. While the lore might be a nice bonus, without a character we can call our own, shape their life w/ choices and tones, the story of Thedas is really not that interesting.

 

But at the same time, I don't feel that Dragon Age's setting and varying stories is really conducive to having a carry-over protagonist. For it to really work, the entire series would have to be rewritten from Origins onward. I can see people having a problem with the way the central cast is treated, because you couldn't have the old group exist properly across the entire game when they can be booted, killed or have them run off to never be seen again.

[Joseph Warrick]

I thought my warden was governing Amaranthine with an iron fist.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Bioware will do something with the HoF. Otherwise, they wouldn't have mentioned the HoF's motives in DAI. It will likely be something off screen next game. I would not mind something in the capacity of Hawke's NPC role in DAI. It was nice to see Hawke. Poor guy went thru so much.

[In Exile]

Bioware will do something with the HoF. Otherwise, they wouldn't have mentioned the HoF's motives in DAI. It will likely be something off screen next game. I would not mind something in the capacity of Hawke's NPC role in DAI. It was nice to see Hawke. Poor guy went thru so much.

You're getting it backwards. People would not shut up about how their super perfect HOF would absolutely solo the Elder One instead of getting worn like a bad meatsuit so Bioware put the HOF on a boat so people would be OK with it.

[Aren]

You're getting it backwards. People would not shut up about how their super perfect HOF would absolutely solo the Elder One instead of getting worn like a bad meatsuit so Bioware put the HOF on a boat so people would be OK with it.

This is DAO fault, unlike DAI where you have advisors and others people who work to solve the problem on their own, in DAO and DAA the HoF do the 99% of the Job Alone, it's even possible if you are good with tactics to win in Denerim without calling the army (with 3 rouges,traps and stealth ability it was super easy). 

The Warden from DAO (who can acess to an incredible number of Talents or spell unlike the Inquisitor) can risk to die only with the soul of the Archdemon, otherwise he/she is out of the league of every DA characters (Mythal,Urthemiel;the Mother,The Architect,thousands of darkspawn,Ogre,Dragons,ecc...) all of them defeated by the HoF despite their legends.

SO this is pretty much DAO fault to have portrayed the Warden (aside from that   forced debacle on the tower of Ishal) like a "21st century killing machine" rather than a simple mortal.

[laudable11]

To me, the Hero of Ferelden IS Dragon Age. Yes. I want her back.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

That's right. Every fan of Dragon Age wants the Hero of Ferelden to return in the next game, and yes that includes you. This is a fact that I will prove objectively.

 

No, this isn't another "Bring Back the Hero" thread, and no I am not going to apply the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

 

Notice I'm not posting this in the suggestions forum. This topic is to get a point across to the fans, not to BioWare. My intention is to convince YOU that the Hero's return is the only viable option, and one that you WANT to take place. It's just that many fans aren't aware of this... yet.

 

Other threads have proven how the Hero can return in the next game or expansion, but this thread proves WHY the Hero must return and why you want this to be so.

 

 

First off unless I vote for you for political office YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME! I hate people that think they know my mind or what I want. 

 

Two: I'm not interested in another full Dragon Age game with the HoF as the lead, For me it's an expansion and/or DLC type story to me at best. Also not all my Wardens survive and I have even less interest in playing the Warden-Commander from DAO-Awakening if the HOF died.  

 

Three: If I want to play as the Warden I'll play DA:O, I still got my copies on Xbox 360 and PS3 and they still work. Even if they didn't they can easily bought cheap on services like: XBL, PSN, Steam, Amazon, or at online and box stores Gamestop,Wal-Mart, or Target. So it's not exactly a hard to find game.

 

So please take your blind nostigila fanboyism for the HoF's return elsewhere. BioWare has already said it's not happening so go do something better with your and my time.  

[AlanC9]

The Warden from DAO (who can acess to an incredible number of Talents or spell unlike the Inquisitor)

This may be the silliest argument on the BSN this month.

[ManOfSteel]

How about you don't tell me, and others, what we do and do not want?

 

I can form my own opinions and desires without someone on the internet doing it for me.

[Sunnie]

bonk bonk bonk bonk, still going, bonk bonk bonk

 

10 pages of circular arguing. People, just let this thing (and all the other dumb HoF threads) die.

[AresKeith]

bonk bonk bonk bonk, still going, bonk bonk bonk

 

10 pages of circular arguing. People, just let this thing (and all the other dumb HoF threads) die.

 

I wonder who has the most threads now

 

Hawke or HoF?

[XEternalXDreamsX]

This is DAO fault, unlike DAI where you have advisors and others people who work to solve the problem on their own, in DAO and DAA the HoF do the 99% of the Job Alone, it's even possible if you are good with tactics to win in Denerim without calling the army (with 3 rouges,traps and stealth ability it was super easy).
The Warden from DAO (who can acess to an incredible number of Talents or spell unlike the Inquisitor) can risk to die only with the soul of the Archdemon, otherwise he/she is out of the league of every DA characters (Mythal,Urthemiel;the Mother,The Architect,thousands of darkspawn,Ogre,Dragons,ecc...) all of them defeated by the HoF despite their legends.
SO this is pretty much DAO fault to have portrayed the Warden (aside from that forced debacle on the tower of Ishal) like a "21st century killing machine" rather than a simple mortal.

Quoted both of you to refer to ya'll-

The HoF did feel like an unstoppable force with all the luck in the world. In DAA, I picked skills for flavor or the fun of it as I was plowing thru everything. They would have to scale his/her power back to not belittle our Inquisition. Lol. So, yeah, I agree with both you.

[Fidite Nemini]

I'll keep my opinion short: no.

 

And yes, I'm a fan, despite my substantial misgivings about DAI. HoF not being present is not among the latter.

No need for a return. It's wrought with difficulties, a significant amount of those technical and I rather prefer getting original characters than rehashing old one.

[Dyne-]

To me, the Hero of Ferelden IS Dragon Age. Yes. I want her back.

Pretty much this ^ for me. I don't really care for Dragon Age in the state it's currently in. Sad to say because origins/ DA:2 were some of my favorite games.

 

As much as I want to play the HoF again i'd be cool with the HoF not being the main protag in the next game as long as they ( and all other protags / companions ) that should be included in a certain place are. It isn't the fact that I can't play the HoF anymore that bothers me. It's the omission at moments where the HoF should be present that annoys me to no end. The whole thing with Morrigan and Leliana completely ruined Inquisition for me. Plz no love interest showing up without their other emotionally invested half.

 

Frankly I think Bioware should either make the HoF a playable option for a future installment/DLC (interchangeable with a different protag), or have a cameo that's relevant to the plot in some way if the plot calls for the HoF's presence. (The fate of the wardens, the cure for the calling ect)

 

But I digress, I just wanted to post in this thread because the OP made me laugh so hard. Presuming to know what people want / think without actually asking them...holy **** my sides lol. There are plenty of people that don't want the HoF to return and a few of them have valid reasons for it.

[Brodoteau]

They should have killed the HOF in Witch Hunt i.e. Morrigan escapes through the Eluvian leaving the HOF and his/her party to fend off a massive army of Darkspawn or 7 Dragons or a huge log falls on his/her head and the HOF's only voiced dialogue is him/her saying "My panache" as he/she dies. 

 

Alternatively, the HOF should have been at the enclave when Corypheus blew it up.  That would have been a good way to upset fans and give the Inquisitor's DAO allies an extra motivation to get Corypheus. 

 

I understand why Bioware didn't want to make canon "the HOF died" but this whole Darth Revan disappearance will never go away. 

 

As it stands, if the HOF does return, I actually hope it's as the Big Bad.  

[MyKingdomCold]

They should just have him/her return as a random ghoul albeit a really powerful one.  So after you kill it and loot his body you find out it was the HoF.

[Dyne-]

They should have killed the HOF in Witch Hunt i.e. Morrigan escapes through the Eluvian leaving the HOF and his/her party to fend off a massive army of Darkspawn or 7 Dragons or a huge log falls on his/her head and the HOF's only voiced dialogue is him/her saying "My panache" as he/she dies. 

 

Alternatively, the HOF should have been at the enclave when Corypheus blew it up.  That would have been a good way to upset fans and give the Inquisitor's DAO allies an extra motivation to get Corypheus. 

 

I understand why Bioware didn't want to make canon "the HOF died" but this whole Darth Revan disappearance will never go away. 

 

As it stands, if the HOF does return, I actually hope it's as the Big Bad.  

 

They should just have him/her return as a random ghoul albeit a really powerful one.  So after you kill it and loot his body you find out it was the HoF.

I'd have been cool with the HoF going out in an epic last stand to save Morrigan in Witch Hunt (minus the log lol), but there's probably a better chance that Bioware does kill the HoF off in some really lame way as opposed to actually trying to make a HoF appearance work. With that being said, i'd probably be inconsolable for months if that did happen. I'd be like the kid in this vid ---->

[Dai Grepher]

*MEEEEEPPPP* Wrong. You don't know that yet.
 

 

 

And yet it could still fail. Even if the queen or king thinks there's a 99.9% chance it can still fail.
 

 

 

 

I'll repeat what I said before because apparently you (purposely?) misread it: you do not know if Bioware is going to drop the HoF completely after DA:I, not after "your suggestion is implemented". If Bioware drops the HoF from the story entirely, player regain full agency.

 

 

 

 

Where the hell do people get that idea from? And even if it is true, it's gonna get retconned.

 

 

 

*sigh* I'm going to be explaining this a lot, aren't I?

To sum it up:

 

Do I like my HoF? Yes.

So would I play the HoF if they returned? Yes.

Would I like it? Most likely yes.

Do I think Bioware is planning to have the HoF actively return? No, because they said so.

 

Do I think Bioware has the resources to account for all choices, personalities, romances and other tiny details to recreate every HoF? No.

Do I think Bioware currently has the writing capability to bring back the HoF and familiar cast like they were in Origins? David Gaider left so no.

 

Do I think it's possible for the HoF to return without causing a shitstorm? No.

 

Do I think it's wise for a company that's already bordering rejection from a large portion of it's core fanbase and suffering from EA-syndrome to take such a controversial and huge risk? No.

 

Do I think your suggestion is an exception in any way shape or form? No.

So do I want the HoF to return? No.

 

I don't know it yet, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Weisshaupt was mentioned in the epilogue, which means it is likely to be featured. If so, a tomb showing the Warden who slayed the archdemon would be a major game element to have.

 

It can still fail, but the point is that it is likely to be a success. Otherwise, most Heroes would not have undertaken the endeavor.

 

I don't know if BioWare will drop the Hero's story entirely, but my point is that as it stands, too many people are demanding the Hero's return. BioWare can't drop the Hero at this point without upsetting many of these fans. My suggestion allows them to drop the Hero without angering anyone. It also covers them for any future storylines that would conceivably involve the Hero.

 

Because Avernus used the same magic to increase his own lifespan. We also ran into an ancient darkspawn who had lived for centuries in the Deep Roads. I don't see how BioWare can retcon that for the Hero but not Avernus. Doing so would mean that the Warden's Keep DLC could not have possibly existed.

 

Okay, your belief that BioWare will return the Hero is not required for this suggestion.

 

Whether they have the resources to pull it off is a separate issue, and other topics in the Feedback forum have addressed this.

 

What's so special about Gaider? All they would do is take the character profiles and write new stories for them. Average fans do it all the time on fanfiction (dot) net. Besides, you just wrote that if the Hero returned, you would probably like it. So you would like it even if they screwed up the characters?

 

The **** storm line is the most important here. If they just brought back the Hero and did a half-hearted job in bringing him/her back, then yes, you'd be correct. But under my suggestion, players would have the option to keep the Hero out of the game. In which case, people who would not like the implementation of the Hero could avoid it completely. Thus averting the **** storm.

 

I don't think it's wise to ignore what fans want, as well as the most important game element that made the series successful to begin with. Besides, they did this already with Hawke, and they will have to do it again with the Inquisitor anyway.

 

Clearly my suggestion is an exception. There is no **** storm and there is no risk if the option to leave the Hero out of the game is present. And you yourself even wrote that you like your Hero. That alone is proof that you are in favor of my suggestion. If you like your Hero then it means you want control over it. As it stands, BioWare has control over it. They could make your Hero do anything they want. Doing nothing with your Hero is also an option you might not like, since the next game may involve events that would affect you Hero directly.

 

Honestly, you would rather decide your Hero's fate than leave it to BioWare to decide for you.