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[Dai Grepher]

Your arrogance would be insulting if you weren't so amusingly ignorant.

My hero already had a final ending. Under a Gryphon statue in Redcliffe. Nothing more ever needs to be said. Beyond that, I would actually be happier if nothing were ever said again about YOUR hero. If they just let the 'cure' hook drop and never mentioned it again. No conclusion, no discussion, no codex, just ignored forevermore.

So no, I don't want the Hero of Ferelden back.

 

That statue is not the Hero's tomb. That's just a memorial. The tomb is in Weisshaupt next to Garahel's. Since Weisshaupt is likely to be shown in a future installment, it means your Hero will return in the form of a customized tomb. Even if you would not want to see it, you very well may have no choice in the matter.

 

Also, not wanting other people to be able to see their Hero even though you would have the option not to in yours? That seems pretty arrogant to me. Us being able to see our Heroes would not affect you in anyway. That would be like me saying that I hope your Hero is brought back as a corpse by some necromancer at Weisshaupt, and I hope you will be forced to customize that shambling corpse or else pick a default look.

 

Clearly you remain unaware of your own desire to see the Hero's return. I recommend reading the first post.

[Dai Grepher]

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Not sure if you missed that.. or just delusional..

 

He wrote exactly what suggestion includes, so he did agree with me whether he was aware of it or not.
 

[Dai Grepher]

I think what we can really take from DA:I is that Thedas is not Tamriel. It is not the star of the show. While the lore might be a nice bonus, without a character we can call our own, shape their life w/ choices and tones, the story of Thedas is really not that interesting.

 

Correct. Which is why we need to have as much control over our characters as possible, and why the Hero must return.

[Dai Grepher]

But at the same time, I don't feel that Dragon Age's setting and varying stories is really conducive to having a carry-over protagonist. For it to really work, the entire series would have to be rewritten from Origins onward. I can see people having a problem with the way the central cast is treated, because you couldn't have the old group exist properly across the entire game when they can be booted, killed or have them run off to never be seen again.

 

But it can work, thanks to the Keep. Every possible outcome can be documented and then used as a basis for the new game's events. It's really no different from how Origins and Inquisition began with multiple origin stories.

 

And don't forget that under my suggestion, players would be able to choose to leave their Hero out of it, as well as choose their Hero's end.

 

In other words, if you want your King Cousland to just focus on ruling Ferelden with Anora, then that's how it will be. If you want your Aducan to join the Legion of the Dead in clearing out the Deep Roads until the end of his days, then that's how it will be. If you want your city elf to settle down with the love interest from Origins, then that's how it will be. If you want your Hero to not be mentioned at all, then that's how it will be.
 

[Dai Grepher]

I thought my warden was governing Amaranthine with an iron fist.

 

Nope. BioWare made the choice to bring your Hero back for you. Your Hero is looking for a cure to the taint.

 

Under my suggestion, you would have the opportunity to choose this option for your Hero either after seeing your Hero again in-game, or choosing to not see your Hero again in-game.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Bioware will do something with the HoF. Otherwise, they wouldn't have mentioned the HoF's motives in DAI. It will likely be something off screen next game. I would not mind something in the capacity of Hawke's NPC role in DAI. It was nice to see Hawke. Poor guy went thru so much.

 

I don't think DA:I's story necessarily indicates they will do anything with the Hero. I think that was more of a reason to remove all possible Heroes from the events of DA:I in a way that made the most sense. But on the other hand, the story implications of finding the cure do suggest that the Hero's return is an inevitability. Perhaps in trying to explain the Hero's absence, BioWare just dug itself deeper.

 

I agree that the Hero's return does not have to be a main role, or even a companion role, or even the type that Hawke played in DA:I. It could just be a cameo or NPC role like Anora's or Fiona's.

[Dai Grepher]

You're getting it backwards. People would not shut up about how their super perfect HOF would absolutely solo the Elder One instead of getting worn like a bad meatsuit so Bioware put the HOF on a boat so people would be OK with it.

 

Perhaps, but that doesn't mean they didn't make the problem worse for themselves. The cure quest will have serious influence over the world.

[Dai Grepher]

 

This is DAO fault, unlike DAI where you have advisors and others people who work to solve the problem on their own, in DAO and DAA the HoF do the 99% of the Job Alone, it's even possible if you are good with tactics to win in Denerim without calling the army (with 3 rouges,traps and stealth ability it was super easy). 

The Warden from DAO (who can acess to an incredible number of Talents or spell unlike the Inquisitor) can risk to die only with the soul of the Archdemon, otherwise he/she is out of the league of every DA characters (Mythal,Urthemiel;the Mother,The Architect,thousands of darkspawn,Ogre,Dragons,ecc...) all of them defeated by the HoF despite their legends.

SO this is pretty much DAO fault to have portrayed the Warden (aside from that   forced debacle on the tower of Ishal) like a "21st century killing machine" rather than a simple mortal.

 

 

I can't disagree with you there. The Hero is larger than life, especially by the end of Witch Hunt. You're also right about the Hero having more talents. Just look at the specializations. You can get two in Origins, another in Awakening, and another in the DLCs (glitch, not official).

 

There is the option of lowering the Hero's "power level" since ten years have passed, but the Power of Blood negates this with Heroes who drank the concoction.

 

I wouldn't necessarily put the Hero out of the reach of entities like Mythal. Power doesn't always equate to victory. If Mythal knows spells that the Hero can't counter, or if Solas has plans that the Hero can't see through, then those characters will pose a challenge even to the strongest Hero.

 

Not only Ishal, but the Silverite Mines as well. Both were pretty BS. I would have had Ishal end with a bright flash of light that knocks everyone in the room out, including the darkspawn. That would imply that Flemeth is the one who did it just so she could capture and use you. The nerf in the Silverite Mines was just unacceptable. I could tell the platform was a trap as soon as I saw it. There's no way my Hero would have fallen for it. And to have the Architect in a position where he could have done anything he wanted to you is beyond insulting. He even wrote about how he thought it might be best if he just killed you right there. The only reason he doesn't is because he needs you to kill the Mother for him. They could have easily replaced this with a scenario where you have to rescue some of the captured Wardens from Vigil's Keep. As for the lost items and duplicates you fight, they could have explained that away using magic or something. A combination of teleport magic to take the gear combined with blood magic and necromancy for the imposters.

 

But, the next game could tone down the Hero somewhat to be balanced, or simply increase the skills of the other characters to be somewhat on par with the Hero.

[Dai Grepher]

To me, the Hero of Ferelden IS Dragon Age. Yes. I want her back.

 

Exactly. The primary reason for the success of this series is because of the customizable character from Origins. And the character is too important to simply ignore or write off, unless the character itself (by the player) chooses to stay out of future events for their own reasons.

[Dai Grepher]

First off unless I vote for you for political office YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME! I hate people that think they know my mind or what I want. 

 

Two: I'm not interested in another full Dragon Age game with the HoF as the lead, For me it's an expansion and/or DLC type story to me at best. Also not all my Wardens survive and I have even less interest in playing the Warden-Commander from DAO-Awakening if the HOF died.  

 

Three: If I want to play as the Warden I'll play DA:O, I still got my copies on Xbox 360 and PS3 and they still work. Even if they didn't they can easily bought cheap on services like: XBL, PSN, Steam, Amazon, or at online and box stores Gamestop,Wal-Mart, or Target. So it's not exactly a hard to find game.

 

So please take your blind nostigila fanboyism for the HoF's return elsewhere. BioWare has already said it's not happening so go do something better with your and my time.  

 

I disagree. I think I can speak for you if my suggestion includes all sides and perspectives, which it does.

 

I never wrote that the Hero had to be the lead. If you had read my post, you would know this, as well as the fact that my suggestion would allow you to keep the Hero out of the story completely and choose their ending.

 

My suggestion would not stop you from playing as the Warden in DA:O, nor would it force you to play as the Hero in the next game.

 

Thanks for agreeing with my suggestion.
 

[Dai Grepher]

How about you don't tell me, and others, what we do and do not want?

 

I can form my own opinions and desires without someone on the internet doing it for me.

 

No.

[Dai Grepher]

I tried, I swear, but then there she was again with Mhairi on the road to Vigil's Keep.

 

And now imagine this happening to you in the next game. Is that what you really want? Of course not. My suggestion would allow you to choose to keep your Heroes out of the game and give them a final ending.

[Dai Grepher]

Quoted both of you to refer to ya'll-

The HoF did feel like an unstoppable force with all the luck in the world. In DAA, I picked skills for flavor or the fun of it as I was plowing thru everything. They would have to scale his/her power back to not belittle our Inquisition. Lol. So, yeah, I agree with both you.

 

Scale it back or increase the skills of the others.

 

Remember, those at higher levels don't level up as quickly. So with enough practice, they should all reach the Hero's level eventually. In order for the Hero to level up, he or she has to defeat MANY enemies or some high level enemies that dish out some incredible tough battles.

 

The story could also feature them getting injured or something during the cure quest.

 

Or the game could just start with the Hero's skills and abilities generalized into some more basic things, sort of like the NPC companion characters in DA:I.

[Dai Grepher]

I'll keep my opinion short: no.

 

And yes, I'm a fan, despite my substantial misgivings about DAI. HoF not being present is not among the latter.

No need for a return. It's wrought with difficulties, a significant amount of those technical and I rather prefer getting original characters than rehashing old one.

 

The technical aspects are addressed in other topics.

 

You would still get a new character under my suggestion. The Hero would be optional to you. So thanks for agreeing with me.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Pretty much this ^ for me. I don't really care for Dragon Age in the state it's currently in. Sad to say because origins/ DA:2 were some of my favorite games.

 

As much as I want to play the HoF again i'd be cool with the HoF not being the main protag in the next game as long as they ( and all other protags / companions ) that should be included in a certain place are. It isn't the fact that I can't play the HoF anymore that bothers me. It's the omission at moments where the HoF should be present that annoys me to no end. The whole thing with Morrigan and Leliana completely ruined Inquisition for me. Plz no love interest showing up without their other emotionally invested half.

 

Frankly I think Bioware should either make the HoF a playable option for a future installment/DLC (interchangeable with a different protag), or have a cameo that's relevant to the plot in some way if the plot calls for the HoF's presence. (The fate of the wardens, the cure for the calling ect)

 

But I digress, I just wanted to post in this thread because the OP made me laugh so hard. Presuming to know what people want / think without actually asking them...holy **** my sides lol. There are plenty of people that don't want the HoF to return and a few of them have valid reasons for it.

 

That's because this situation is a catch 22. If you want to see the Hero again, as you do, then you agree with me. If you don't want to see the Hero again and want that story to end, then you also agree with me. My suggestion covers both sides perfectly.
 

[Dai Grepher]

They should have killed the HOF in Witch Hunt i.e. Morrigan escapes through the Eluvian leaving the HOF and his/her party to fend off a massive army of Darkspawn or 7 Dragons or a huge log falls on his/her head and the HOF's only voiced dialogue is him/her saying "My panache" as he/she dies. 

 

Alternatively, the HOF should have been at the enclave when Corypheus blew it up.  That would have been a good way to upset fans and give the Inquisitor's DAO allies an extra motivation to get Corypheus. 

 

I understand why Bioware didn't want to make canon "the HOF died" but this whole Darth Revan disappearance will never go away. 

 

As it stands, if the HOF does return, I actually hope it's as the Big Bad.  

 

Thanks for agreeing with my suggestion.
 

[Dai Grepher]

I'd have been cool with the HoF going out in an epic last stand to save Morrigan in Witch Hunt (minus the log lol), but there's probably a better chance that Bioware does kill the HoF off in some really lame way as opposed to actually trying to make a HoF appearance work. With that being said, i'd probably be inconsolable for months if that did happen. I'd be like the kid in this vid ---->

 

That video is fake, BTW. A scripted attempt at a viral video.

 

Anyway, my suggestion would include a way for you to choose such a fate for your Hero, or some other one that you feel would be most fitting.

[Drix153]

I would absolutely love to see(and play as if possible) the HoF again, but recognize that there are others who wouldn't want that.

[Fidite Nemini]

The technical aspects are addressed in other topics.

 

You would still get a new character under my suggestion. The Hero would be optional to you. So thanks for agreeing with me.
 

 

I'm not agreeing with you.

 

 

And I'm most definately not agreeing with your pretentious thread title. Evidently NOT every fan wants the HoF back, unless you intend to argue that I'm not a fan.

[AlanC9]

Hey, is that a board record for consecutive replies by a single poster?

[Dai Grepher]

I would absolutely love to see(and play as if possible) the HoF again, but recognize that there are others who wouldn't want that.

 

As do I.
 

[Dai Grepher]

I'm not agreeing with you.

 

 

And I'm most definately not agreeing with your pretentious thread title. Evidently NOT every fan wants the HoF back, unless you intend to argue that I'm not a fan.

 

Yes, you are agreeing with me, because my suggestion would allow you to effectively end your Hero's story on your terms, and thus not see the Hero ever again. This is opposed to BioWare bringing your Hero back against your will or writing your Hero off in a way that may contradict your idea of him/her.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Hey, is that a board record for consecutive replies by a single poster?

 

Sorry. Multiquote and copy/paste don't work for me. Probably my browser or Internet settings.
 

[Fidite Nemini]

Yes, you are agreeing with me, because my suggestion would allow you to effectively end your Hero's story on your terms, and thus not see the Hero ever again. This is opposed to BioWare bringing your Hero back against your will.
 

 

No, I'm still not agreeing with you.

 

And you can try and worm your way into obscure interpretations all you want, I've read your OP and I don't agree. You have it here, black on white (or white on grey/whatever colour layout you use for this forum) - I don't agree with you. I don't agree with your proposal I certainly don't agree with the base assumption that the HoF would have to be brought back or not and I most definately don't agree with your incessant "but it means you agree with me" nonsense. I don't.

 

End of discussion. Don't test my patience, because it's at its end. You can agree on disagreeing with me and we can let this settle down like civilized people. The other options aren't ending in your favour.

[Dai Grepher]

My suggestion covers what you have claimed to want from BioWare. So you're just saying you disagree just because. That's kind of petty.