No, they travel together. The letter outright say they are together and if romanced Zev's war table missions doesn't appear.
According to the video posted above, that isn't what it says. Unless you're telling me that the Hero's letter changes if Zervran's chore table mission is not obtained.
I don't remember the letter to be honest (and have deleted the that PC and my other is not so far in game) just that I had the impression that they were together (Also I thought that I asked Morrigan about it, but I might be wrong. It is such a long time since I was there.), but I have never had a war table mission concerning Zev or Crows (if you don't Count Varric fake book Things) in da:I.
I don't want to see the Hero of Fereldan return.
I want to see the Warden-Commander return, who set out in search of a cure for The Calling. . .The fact that this either means they COULD be the Hero of Fereldan instead of the default Orlesian Warden of Awakening is just butter on the bread of people who like that option.
The Orlesian-Commander is probably doing the same thing the Hero is during the time of Inquisition, they could have the O.C. speak, but the Hero of Fereledan never does due to something or someone interrupting them or generally just being silent in their business.
The letter doesn't really imply that. Just that they each have their own battles. That could be separate or together. If the Origins epilogue is to be counted, then Zevran is dealing with the Crows. In which case they are separate for the time being.
Also, what about the mission involving that lord that the Crows track down? One option has Leliana contacting Zevran for help. Does that occur in a Zevran romance world state? If so, then the two are not together.
Binding the soul of Urthemiel to who's unborn child? Zevran's? Cuz, that's not an option.
BioWare might not kill him off. BioWare might bring him back, kind of like they did in DA2. Maybe he ends up being captured by Crows and taken away somewhere while your Hero chooses to pursue other things. That's my point here. BioWare could do anything it wants.
Sounds pretty damn implying to me. As someone said, Zev's mission is gone if in a romance. Also, noooo, you said I couldn't choose my Warden's ending, I was telling you I did. Kill Urthemiel without binding his soul to my Warden's unborn child. Which kills my Warden... OR bind Urthemiel to his unborn child, so he and Zevran can live together. How you could of thought I ment Zevran's child, is beyond me. If you knew there wasn't an option for it, then I think you should of known, that I was talking about the Warden. Plus I did say "I did choose his ending." And no, the epilogue isn't credible. BW didn't think they were going to continue after Origins, or at least with the same characters. Sooo... most of the epilogue isn't canon, nor in the boon you ask for from Alistair/Anora.
No the Warden didn't appear in DA2, just mentioned. If the Warden was a mage, he was Hawke's cousin, which I thought was awsome.
Also, by the way you mention the Crows, I feel you never played or done the Crows' assassinations in DAO. The Crows want to befriend you. If you take, and complete assassination contracts for the Crows. The Crows will tear up the contract on you. Saying they'll take no farther contracts on the Warden. They already knew taking on a Warden wasn't the smartest of ideas. All it would achieve, was make many dead Crows. Zevran took the contract, because he wanted to die. The Warden even has the option to ask to join the Crows. Your offer is neither accepted nor brushed away, just a simple "We'll take it under consideration." The Crows wouldn't try a second stupid attempt on the Warden, especially after tge Warden helps them.
If BW brings my Warden back, AWSOME! If not, so be it. I'm happy with my choices. It's their game, they can tell the story how they want. In fact, BW's canon story is one that has the Warden die. However you can break the BW canon, by making your own choice to keep the Warden alive.
And how would you feel if I told you that BioWare just announced that we will be visiting the tomb of the Warden who slayed the archdemon during the fifth blight, even if that Warden was the Hero of Ferelden?
I suspect many players wouldn't care. We've already seen the Warden's funeral. Visiting his tomb wherever just isn't all that important. It sounds more like you're trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole and utterly failing at that.
Although i agree with most of the points in the original post, I don't want the hero of Ferelden to return because of one simple reason: current Bioware is probably going to ruin him/her. They should just fast forward from 9:41 dragon to around 9:60 when the warden dies to the taint, but not before discovering how to cure it.
Again, please read my first post. The suggestion includes an option to leave the Hero out of the next installment completely. So even if BioWare ruins it, you would still be able to avoid that ruin and select the Hero's end yourself.
How is the hero of ferelden returning then? You are trying to convince us that every fan wants the hero to return while giving them the option for him to NOT return. Why? Aren't you saying everyone want him to return? Like i said, just let him die to the taint and let us play a new character.
Don't want the Hero? Fine. Here's a new custom character. Don't want a new custom character? Fine. Pick your preset. All would use the same resource pool.
So it IS FINE to not want the hero to return. Right, so you agree that not every fan wants the HoF to return.
The darkspawn romance does indeed make more sense.
Also i did read your first post.
I don't remember the letter to be honest (and have deleted the that PC and my other is not so far in game) just that I had the impression that they were together (Also I thought that I asked Morrigan about it, but I might be wrong. It is such a long time since I was there.), but I have never had a war table mission concerning Zev or Crows (if you don't Count Varric fake book Things) in da:I.
That's exactly what I'm referring to. If the chore table mission involving Zevran comes up in a Zevran romance world state, then it means Zevran and his partner are not together at that point in time.
Sounds pretty damn implying to me. As someone said, Zev's mission is gone if in a romance. Also, noooo, you said I couldn't choose my Warden's ending, I was telling you I did. Kill Urthemiel without binding his soul to my Warden's unborn child. Which kills my Warden... OR bind Urthemiel to his unborn child, so he and Zevran can live together. How you could of thought I ment Zevran's child, is beyond me. If you knew there wasn't an option for it, then I think you should of known, that I was talking about the Warden. Plus I did say "I did choose his ending." And no, the epilogue isn't credible. BW didn't think they were going to continue after Origins, or at least with the same characters. Sooo... most of the epilogue isn't canon, nor in the boon you ask for from Alistair/Anora.
No the Warden didn't appear in DA2, just mentioned. If the Warden was a mage, he was Hawke's cousin, which I thought was awsome.
Also, by the way you mention the Crows, I feel you never played or done the Crows' assassinations in DAO. The Crows want to befriend you. If you take, and complete assassination contracts for the Crows. The Crows will tear up the contract on you. Saying they'll take no farther contracts on the Warden. They already knew taking on a Warden wasn't the smartest of ideas. All it would achieve, was make many dead Crows. Zevran took the contract, because he wanted to die. The Warden even has the option to ask to join the Crows. Your offer is neither accepted nor brushed away, just a simple "We'll take it under consideration." The Crows wouldn't try a second stupid attempt on the Warden, especially after tge Warden helps them.
If BW brings my Warden back, AWSOME! If not, so be it. I'm happy with my choices. It's their game, they can tell the story how they want. In fact, BW's canon story is one that has the Warden die. However you can break the BW canon, by making your own choice to keep the Warden alive.
Who said Zevran's mission was gone in that case? I asked if it was. Has anyone confirmed that?
Well, because your post was worded to refer to Zevran at first, and then I guess you switched references to your Hero without actually indicating this switch. Fine, your Hero did the DR with Morrigan then.
I was referring to Zevran being brought back in DA2. Again, hunted by Crows, proving that BioWare could snatch Zevran away at any time.
No, the Crows have different factions. One faction has a contract on you from Howe. Ignocio's group doesn't want to kill you, but he can't get rid of that contract in the other group either. Basically all he promises is that he and other groups that are allied with his will not accept any contracts that may be petitioned against you in the future, or if other groups ask for assistance, they'll be ignored. But Tamlen's group is still trying to kill you. Also, there is a group of Crows who will accept a contract on you from Lady Esmerelle in Awakening. And at the end of Awakening (again, if the epilogue is worth a damn) a Crow steals the sword Vigilance from you.
I suspect many players wouldn't care. We've already seen the Warden's funeral. Visiting his tomb wherever just isn't all that important. It sounds more like you're trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole and utterly failing at that.
The tomb would likely be more than just a name on a slab. The tomb will have some degree of customization to it in order to reflect that Hero's life. So would you rather BioWare get those facts wrong, or would you rather import the facts into that game?
The tomb would likely be more than just a name on a slab. The tomb will have some degree of customization to it in order to reflect that Hero's life. So would you rather BioWare get those facts wrong, or would you rather import the facts into that game?
Personally, if it were up to me, I'd abandon the import mechanic altogether to give you some idea of how much I care about my Hero's life.
Of course, ignoring that, I'm still not seeing why Bioware needs to talk about the HoF at all once dead, beyond vague references to how he killed the Archdemon. I played through DA:O already and watched his funeral. I don't need to see a slab telling me all the things I played through while still potentially getting it wrong. His story was complete as soon as the credits rolled.
How is the hero of ferelden returning then? You are trying to convince us that every fan wants the hero to return while giving them the option for him to NOT return. Why? Aren't you saying everyone want him to return? Like i said, just let him die to the taint and let us play a new character.
So it IS FINE to not want the hero to return. Right, so you agree that not every fan wants the HoF to return.
The darkspawn romance does indeed make more sense.
Also i did read your first post.
Because in order to have the option to leave the Hero out of the story and future references, you first need the Hero to return. That's the only way you get control back.
It's fine if the Hero is not featured for those players, but in order for that result to be achieved, the Hero has to return first in order for those players to choose to leave the Hero out of it.
If the Hero doesn't return, then you're just leaving it to BioWare to handle, and they might do something with the Hero that those fans don't want.
3 step solution for bringing back the HoF.
1. Start Dragon Age: Origins
2. Create a new Warden or load an old one
3. Play as the HoF
All I can see at this point is that the OP is trying for "Troll of the Year". Unfortunately, too many people are feeding this one.
EVERY Fan Wants the Hero to Return, Including YOU.
Lots of assumptions there, I want him/her dead so we can move on already.
Yes I know it's a troll, but it has to be said.
Personally, if it were up to me, I'd abandon the import mechanic altogether to give you some idea of how much I care about my Hero's life.
Of course, ignoring that, I'm still not seeing why Bioware needs to talk about the HoF at all once dead, beyond vague references to how he killed the Archdemon. I played through DA:O already and watched his funeral. I don't need to see a slab telling me all the things I played through while still potentially getting it wrong. His story was complete as soon as the credits rolled.
And without the import your next character, or possibly the Inquisitor, might walk into the Hero's tomb at Weisshaupt and see a memorial dedicated to someone completely different from your UltSac Hero. It would be like you were playing in a different world state.
BioWare needs to in order to please the fans who want to see their UltSac Hero's tomb.
See, the problem here is that you Hero-haters are not even trying to reconcile your wants with the wants of other fans or what BioWare might do in the future. It is likely that BioWare will accommodate the fans who want to see their Hero make an appearance in future titles. So if you want to be disregarded, then that's up to you, but I'm here trying to find a solution that meets the wants of all fans. And quite honestly, I have done that. Even if you and a few others here don't want to admit it.
And without the import your next character, or possibly the Inquisitor, might walk into the Hero's tomb at Weisshaupt and see a memorial dedicated to someone completely different from your UltSac Hero. It would be like you were playing in a different world state.
BioWare needs to in order to please the fans who want to see their UltSac Hero's tomb.
And without the import your next character, or possibly the Inquisitor, might walk into the Hero's tomb at Weisshaupt and see a memorial dedicated to someone completely different from your UltSac Hero. It would be like you were playing in a different world state.
BioWare needs to in order to please the fans who want to see their UltSac Hero's tomb.
See, the problem here is that you Hero-haters are not even trying to reconcile your wants with the wants of other fans or what BioWare might do in the future. It is likely that BioWare will accommodate the fans who want to see their Hero make an appearance in future titles. So if you want to be disregarded, then that's up to you, but I'm here trying to find a solution that meets the wants of all fans.
Slab with Hero's name/image, no words. Problem taken care of. Or even simpler: have the statue be destroyed before we get there. Or yet simpler: don't even take us to Weisshaupt.
Personally, I couldn't care less what other fans want. I doubt the HoF will be coming back in this lifetime due to your thread.
Not we do not want to reconicle because what you want is a colloasal undertaking with mimal gain and I would like bioare to focus on da:I and the hero of da:4.
Hawke was badly done. I do not want zots taken away to try replicate a hero whose story is done.
And why are you so focused on a Weisshaupt tomb. Weisshaupt has never done anything for us. The people whose hero made ultimate sacrifce did it for Fereldan and their people. Why should the hero be happy that some person they never met made a statue instead of the people they died protecting.?
(Oh and Zev's wartable mission does not show up when romanced, I checked.)
Who said Zevran's mission was gone in that case? I asked if it was. Has anyone confirmed that?
Well, because your post was worded to refer to Zevran at first, and then I guess you switched references to your Hero without actually indicating this switch. Fine, your Hero did the DR with Morrigan then.
I was referring to Zevran being brought back in DA2. Again, hunted by Crows, proving that BioWare could snatch Zevran away at any time.
No, the Crows have different factions. One faction has a contract on you from Howe. Ignocio's group doesn't want to kill you, but he can't get rid of that contract in the other group either. Basically all he promises is that he and other groups that are allied with his will not accept any contracts that may be petitioned against you in the future, or if other groups ask for assistance, they'll be ignored. But Tamlen's group is still trying to kill you. Also, there is a group of Crows who will accept a contract on you from Lady Esmerelle in Awakening. And at the end of Awakening (again, if the epilogue is worth a damn) a Crow steals the sword Vigilance from you.
Ok, I'm TRYING to be nice, but I'm starting to suspect you're just a Troll. Like TSTAR said. How do I know Zev's mission doesn't appear, BECAUSE I FKING SEEN IT MYSELF! http://dragonage.wik.../Zevran_Arainai read Dragon Age Inquisition, it says "IF Zevran isn't romanced, a war table" blah blah blah.... Don't try assuming I have no idea what I'm talking about, when you obviously never romanced Zevran, and done what I've done. If you said, "Merrill and Hawke, had a half-breed baby." I'd have to take your word for it, because I didn't romance Merrill. 
Are people really this ignorant?
My post was was refering to the Warden AND Zevran. I jumped a line, to reply to something you said, like "Wouldn't you want to choose his ending?" I was saying I did choose my ending, I chose to bind Urthemiel's soul. Now my Warden's with his elven lover. I don't see how you mistaken that for Zevran, when in my original post I said my Warden was an Amell, which is a human/mage (Hawke's mother's family name), not an elf.
That's true Zevran was being chased by the Crows, however during the time that DA2 mission was taken. The Warden would of still been helping rebuild the Keep, from Awakening. Remember it was attacked, oh and don't forget Warden recruitment. The Warden was away, so he couldn't protect Zevran. Not to mention, "A Murder of Crows." was bugged to hell and back. It didn't even acknowledged if you romanced Zev.
Noo, it wasn't Tamlen. Tamlen http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Tamlen is the best friend of the Dalish origin character, who later turns into a Shrieker (Elven darkspawn). You're thinking of Taliesen. Taliesen http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Taliesen was a human, who was bought as a child the same time Zevran was, not an elf x_x
As for the epilogue... AGAIN, it should not be taken completely serious, because as I said... *sighs and takes a breath* BW wasn't sure if they'd ever use the characters again. So they made up stories, as place holders, that were later changed once DA2 came out... Now I need a drink
And how would you feel if I told you that BioWare just announced that we will be visiting the tomb of the Warden who slayed the archdemon during the fifth blight, even if that Warden was the Hero of Ferelden?
Op you are right most of us do want our HOF to return but our heros not Biowares rip off
I don't want the hero of ferelden to return.
My warden died. Resurrecting him would be cheapen the story.
I'd rather my warden got killed off, than see him get ruined by auto-dialogues, dumbed down combat\level up system, and get butchered by the limitations from the newest DA games.
Slab with Hero's name/image, no words. Problem taken care of. Or even simpler: have the statue be destroyed before we get there. Or yet simpler: don't even take us to Weisshaupt.
Personally, I couldn't care less what other fans want. I doubt the HoF will be coming back in this lifetime due to your thread.
Yeah, people won't feel ripped off by that at all. No, BioWare won't leave it at that. You're going to get a portrait of your Hero. Maybe even a statue! Oh what fun you'll have playing that mandatory level when we visit Weisshaupt and address the problem brought up in Inquisition's epilogue.
That you couldn't care less what fans want indicates that you don't care about the Dragon Age series, because it's the fans that make it successful and determine if there will be more of it or not.
Not we do not want to reconicle because what you want is a colloasal undertaking with mimal gain and I would like bioare to focus on da:I and the hero of da:4.
Hawke was badly done. I do not want zots taken away to try replicate a hero whose story is done.
And why are you so focused on a Weisshaupt tomb. Weisshaupt has never done anything for us. The people whose hero made ultimate sacrifce did it for Fereldan and their people. Why should the hero be happy that some person they never met made a statue instead of the people they died protecting.?
(Oh and Zev's wartable mission does not show up when romanced, I checked.)
I respect that opinion, but that's all it is. Returning the Hero would not be a colossal undertaking if done the right way. At minimum BioWare could pull of a (more successful) Hawke-style cameo with little effort. A future thread on how to bring back the Hero will prove that it would be easy to do.
"Zots" would not be wasted because those who choose to leave the Hero out of it would get a replacement character who would draw from the same pool of resources. Thus, instead of the Hero, you get a different companion character who is in the similar category as all the other companion characters.
Oh I don't know, because Inquisition's epilogue suggests that Weisshaupt will play a major role in the next installment? I'm not saying the players should care about the tomb, just that the tomb is there whether you care about it or not, and that we are likely to see it if Weisshaupt is featured in a future game.
Thanks for the confirmation.
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