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[Torgette]

I no longer have my save file from DAO so... it would mean nothing for me. 

[robertthebard]

People keep stressing the fact that the HoF is dead in some states and thus can't come back. They seem to forget that Bioware, through the Keep, made all the DLC canon. Ergo, even if your Warden is dead, they can just use the Warden-Commander. Change some dialogue, reference Awakening instead of Origins for the most part, and bang, Wardens for everyone.

Which also means that they could simply use a new protagonist, and save themselves a ton of grief. They'll still get the same "Yep, it's Tuesday, there's a new HoF thread" posts that we've been getting since I can't remember when, but they don't have to worry about the backlash that happened with Hawke.

[KaiserShep]

People keep stressing the fact that the HoF is dead in some states and thus can't come back. They seem to forget that Bioware, through the Keep, made all the DLC canon. Ergo, even if your Warden is dead, they can just use the Warden-Commander. Change some dialogue, reference Awakening instead of Origins for the most part, and bang, Wardens for everyone.

 

Why waste time and money recording for both the HoF and the Orlesian substitute when they can just have the set for a new protagonist?

[Sunnie]

[MrMrPendragon]

For all everyone keeps clamouring about the "important quest" to cure the Calling as being a reason the HOF needs to come back, they seem to ignore that it might never amount to anything and could end up being a glorified snipe hunt at the end of the day?

 

The fact that Ultimate Sacrifice exists signals that this would never amount to anything other than an OGB-level of relevance. There's only one Flemeth, one Morrgian, and one Leliana, and no matter what your choice was in DAO, they're all alive, because they are all important.

 

There is only one Hero of Ferelden, but there's a possibility that someone else can be Warden-Commander.

 

If someone could be replaced by a placeholder character, as in a possibility exists that a character may not even exist at all, then those characters will never be  the game-changers we would like them to be. A game-changing event will never rest on the shoulder of a character who may or may not even exist.

 

And lastly, I'm almost sure Bioware gives 5%, maybe 2% concern max about what fans think of Hawke being "not their version of Hawke".  It's their character. They get to do what they want with it. I believe they made that clear already. So there is probably little worrying of "This Warden is too different from that guy's Warden". I'm not even sure why that's even a legitimate concern.

[Brain Defect]

Every time I read all these "I want Warden to return" topics, I think "Wow, they really must hate their Wardens if they want to see them in a game with such awful hairstyles" 

 

Personally, OP, I don't want Hero to return, because his/her story is done. 

[Darth Wraith]

Aren't these topics ever going to stop? The Warden is done. His/her story is finished. It's over, now move past it. I played my Warden through Origins, Awakening and the DLC packs, and I'm more than satisfied with how things turned out. I'd much rather have a brand new character you can play from scratch than just retreading the same ground over and over again.

[AlanC9]

This will only stop when a game is made far enough in the future so the Warden has to be dead, and Bio kills the Warden off in the Codex.

[Grieving Natashina]

Funny, because I'm a fan and I'm content to leave my Warden(s) alone.  I don't want nor need him/her to return.

[vertigomez]

I read the OP and I still don't see what's so imperative..?

Warden's doing what Wardens do. Killing darkspawn, wrestling with the Taint. Good enough for me.

[Dabrikishaw]

No thanks. I'm fine with the Hero of Fereldan not coming back.

[Rocknife]

I would have preferred the Hero of Ferelden / Warden Commander returning rather than Hawke-the-lamest-protagonist-Bioware-ever-created returning to be honest. The only charachters from DA2 I'd like to see are Anders, Varric and Isabela. Rest (including Hawke) can go to abyss for all I care, rest are so "meh". Can't love them, can't hate them and that's a serious problem. One of the main reasons why DA2 was such a huge failure is super-lame protagonist. Protagonist matters a lot. Protagonist matters as much as the story.

 

A humble advice, Bioware. If you wanna make a game with a protagonist of the developers' choice of race and default appearence (like Hawke for instance), ask for the CD Projekt Red's advice next time. They did perfectly with Geralt of Rivia from The Witcher/2/3. If you're not gonna work with them or at least take some advice from them, leave the character creation to us players like you did in DAO-DAI (which are your only successful DA games), unless you plan a comeback for the Warden-Commander of Ferelden. I'm excluding Warden because that would be no gambling, everyone loves Warden according to Ultimate Party results. And besides, we created Warden, after all.

 

And OP is not so wrong about claiming most of the DA players/fans wanting the Hero of Ferelden return, considering the DA Ultimate Party results. Warden's votes were quite a lot more than Hawke's+Inquisitor's votes combined, perhaps even more than twice the votes of the other two combined, so OP is not wrong.

 

About my personal opinion, I'd love to see Warden-Commander to return as a "Playable Charachter" rather than a "Non-Playable Character". Who is a more suitable enemy for Mythal than Warden anyway. The other two, Flemeth can make dance like puppets. Only Warden was able to thwart Flemeth. Warden-Commander can stop even Ragnarok (in this situation, the reckoning Flemeth mentioned), he's that cool.

[In Exile]

Absolutely any character is more suitable to the Mythal plot than someone whose connection to her is limited to "she sorta saved my life once" and "maybe I banged her adopted daughter (or had my (boy)friend)" do it. I'm all for people loving the HOF but this is silly. The HOF got played. DA2s intro is all about Flemeth SP doing it.

[Rawgrim]

No I don't. Given the limitations they place on each class, and the removal of most of the spells and specs my Warden had, I would NOT want to see him ever again. It would be The Warden in name only.

[Shechinah]

Absolutely any character is more suitable to the Mythal plot than someone whose connection to her is limited to "she sorta saved my life once" and "maybe I banged her adopted daughter (or had my (boy)friend)" do it. I'm all for people loving the HOF but this is silly. The HOF got played. DA2s intro is all about Flemeth SP doing it.

 

If I remember correct; if the Warden chooses the option to murder Flemeth during Origins, she seems not at all worried and seems more exasperated. She does not react as someone who has been thwarted and it is a good thing since her plan was largely for the Warden to stop the Blight which they did. If a part of it was also for Morrigan to ensure the Old God's survival by becoming pregnant with a child holding it's soul then that part can also succeeded meaning Flemeth is potentially not thwarted on that either.

 

Regardless of that, however, her primary plot in Origins seem to be for the Warden to stop the Blight and they do. The Warden does not defeat her beyond potentially setting her back about a year when they kill her and even then she seems nonplussed about that and seems to retain her powers just fine.
 

[KotorEffect3]

There is one minor problem with bringing the warden back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He could be dead

[thats1evildude]

No thanks. I have a nice little headcanon worked out for my HoF and would rather not mess with that.

[Cypher0020]

I wouldn't mind if it was done tastefully in DLC, and we could customize ala Hawke in DAI

[Hadeedak]

A humble advice, Bioware. If you wanna make a game with a protagonist of the developers' choice of race and default appearence (like Hawke for instance), ask for the CD Projekt Red's advice next time. They did perfectly with Geralt of Rivia from The Witcher/2/3. 

 

It's Bioware. Shepard is one hundred million times cooler than Geralt in her stocking feet.

 

But then, I also like Hawke more than Geralt. ...It's possible I don't like Geralt much at all. I kind of want to kick him through a window, no matter which option I pick. He's such a tryhard nerd, and it grates. Tastes. They vary wildly.

[vertigomez]

I would have preferred the Hero of Ferelden / Warden Commander returning rather than Hawke-the-lamest-protagonist-Bioware-ever-created returning to be honest. The only charachters from DA2 I'd like to see are Anders, Varric and Isabela. Rest (including Hawke) can go to abyss for all I care, rest are so "meh". Can't love them, can't hate them and that's a serious problem. One of the main reasons why DA2 was such a huge failure is super-lame protagonist. Protagonist matters a lot. Protagonist matters as much as the story.

A humble advice, Bioware. If you wanna make a game with a protagonist of the developers' choice of race and default appearence (like Hawke for instance), ask for the CD Projekt Red's advice next time. They did perfectly with Geralt of Rivia from The Witcher/2/3. If you're not gonna work with them or at least take some advice from them, leave the character creation to us players like you did in DAO-DAI (which are your only successful DA games), unless you plan a comeback for the Warden-Commander of Ferelden. I'm excluding Warden because that would be no gambling, everyone loves Warden according to Ultimate Party results. And besides, we created Warden, after all.

And OP is not so wrong about claiming most of the DA players/fans wanting the Hero of Ferelden return, considering the DA Ultimate Party results. Warden's votes were quite a lot more than Hawke's+Inquisitor's votes combined, perhaps even more than twice the votes of the other two combined, so OP is not wrong.

About my personal opinion, I'd love to see Warden-Commander to return as a "Playable Charachter" rather than a "Non-Playable Character". Who is a more suitable enemy for Mythal than Warden anyway. The other two, Flemeth can make dance like puppets. Only Warden was able to thwart Flemeth. Warden-Commander can stop even Ragnarok (in this situation, the reckoning Flemeth mentioned), he's that cool.

Yeah, 'cause the Warden totally didn't play right into Flemeth's hands.

And "thwarted"?! Did we even play the same game?

[Rekkampum]

Well, an obvious solution to those of us who sacrificed our Wardens - I did in a few - would be to have the Warden Commander from Awakening replace them. Problem solved in that case, easily. Of course though, it's kinda hubris to assume that folks want what you do.

I also thought Hawke in DA2 was an excellent character. I liked Hawke in DAI although it would've been nice to have gotten more exposure so there would have been some context for those who felt Hawke's changes were a bit abrupt.

 

Ultimately, BW's writers, not us, are the ones telling the stories and are entitled to do what they will. Weekes has already expressed a disinterest in bringing back the Warden as it is. But they seriously need to tie those plot lines up like they did the OGB.

[Hadeedak]

Yeah, 'cause the Warden totally didn't play right into Flemeth's hands.

And "thwarted"?! Did we even play the same game?

 

Well, you can kind of thwart her by not doing the Dark Ritual, so the Old God soul is lost.

 

Everything else, you're pretty much dancing to her tunes.

[KaiserShep]

I would have preferred the Hero of Ferelden / Warden Commander returning rather than Hawke-the-lamest-protagonist-Bioware-ever-created returning to be honest. The only charachters from DA2 I'd like to see are Anders, Varric and Isabela. Rest (including Hawke) can go to abyss for all I care, rest are so "meh". Can't love them, can't hate them and that's a serious problem. One of the main reasons why DA2 was such a huge failure is super-lame protagonist. Protagonist matters a lot. Protagonist matters as much as the story.

 

Putting aside our differing opinions on Hawke (I actually greatly prefer her to the HoF myself), given that this game includes a Warden ally being a fugitive of the idiots under Clarel, I'm rather glad that it was suckers like Stroud, Alistair or Loghain myself. I'd have a hard time accepting that the Hero of Ferelden would be in such a bind.

 

 

A humble advice, Bioware. If you wanna make a game with a protagonist of the developers' choice of race and default appearence (like Hawke for instance), ask for the CD Projekt Red's advice next time. They did perfectly with Geralt of Rivia from The Witcher/2/3. If you're not gonna work with them or at least take some advice from them, leave the character creation to us players like you did in DAO-DAI (which are your only successful DA games), unless you plan a comeback for the Warden-Commander of Ferelden. I'm excluding Warden because that would be no gambling, everyone loves Warden according to Ultimate Party results. And besides, we created Warden, after all.

And OP is not so wrong about claiming most of the DA players/fans wanting the Hero of Ferelden return, considering the DA Ultimate Party results. Warden's votes were quite a lot more than Hawke's+Inquisitor's votes combined, perhaps even more than twice the votes of the other two combined, so OP is not wrong.

 

Man...

 

I really do want to play TW3, and plan to when I get my new system, but I'd be lying if I said that fans weren't starting to make this a bit sour. I get that it's new and people are still basking in its supposed greatness, but I'll admit to this being a bit tiresome.

 

As for fans, I think that perhaps BioWare shouldn't always submit to the whims of fans. Just because fans want this character or that to return, doesn't mean that they should just come up with a reason for them to do so, especially since this character is more complicated to implement than the protagonist that is guaranteed to live at the end of their respective game, and that's putting aside the fact that Hawke, ironically, has stronger ties to a lot of this stuff than the Origins Warden does. While it was ultimately not handled all that well, the same could have very well been true for the other. Of course, I'd find it a bit amusing (even if simultaneously aggravating) if they give the fans what they want, then suddenly and violently snatch things away, like bringing the Warden-Commander back, only to have them die horribly no matter what.

 

 

About my personal opinion, I'd love to see Warden-Commander to return as a "Playable Charachter" rather than a "Non-Playable Character". Who is a more suitable enemy for Mythal than Warden anyway. The other two, Flemeth can make dance like puppets. Only Warden was able to thwart Flemeth. Warden-Commander can stop even Ragnarok (in this situation, the reckoning Flemeth mentioned), he's that cool.

 

Well, considering that the Warden actually failed to kill Flemeth, and Solas is the new hotness, I'd say that the Inquisitor is actually more relevant here. The Warden is no more suited to deal with that guy than a random Inquisition soldier, while the Inquisitor is marked by ancient elven magic that got the whole ball rolling.

 

As for puppets, that's only true of an Inquisitor that drank from the Well. Flemeth certainly has no physical control over Hawke. But if the Warden was a part of this story and not the Inquisitor character, what difference would it make? It'd either be him/her or Morrigan. Try to attack, and either Flemeth simply stops you in your tracks, or she makes Morrigan smack you down.

[Kulyok]

Problem is, Hero of Ferelden was our protagonist. No pre-defined background, no NPC feel to him/her. Our quests, our story.

 

But if the Warden returns or stays, he/she risks becoming a character like Shepard or Hawke, Maker forbid - an NPC with pre-defined biography. Just an NPC, in other words. They'll stop being MY Warden.

 

And I don't want that.

[KaiserShep]

Actually, among the three protagonists so far, the Inquisitor is the only one that doesn't have a fully predefined background.

 

The Cousland Warden, for instance, always has, or at least had, a loving relationship with his/her family before they were snatched away. Jowan is always the Circle mage's friend prior to the start of the story, regardless of how you treat him later. This is driven home by the vision at the Temple of Sacred Ashes. What if I wanted Eleanor Cousland to be the special person from my human noble's past, or Fergus? Why is it always Bryce? What if I wanted to see someone other than Jowan at the Temple? There's nothing I can do about it.