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[Dai Grepher]

Nah.

 

The Hero's story ain't that big in the long-term. The ultimate sacrifice option saw to that.

 

Whatever plot the writers come up with will be, at best, interchangeable with any protagonist they dig up, be it the Hero of Ferelden or The New Hotness #4.

 

What? The UltSac is optional. And the Heroes who lived on are highly important for their ending of the Fifth Blight if nothing else.

 

Then you understand the point very well. That's how it should be. Either you bring your Hero back OR the Hero is replaced by New Protagonist #4. Same voice sets, by the way.

[Dai Grepher]

Now you want me to say what I think after you already told me what I think even though that isn't what I think?

 

Only if you agree with me.

 

Just kidding. Post whatever is on your mind, please.

[Dai Grepher]

The moment the Warden smiles, the character is utterly destroyed.

 

You mean like in Witch Hunt?

 

Keep in mind the Hero would only return if you chose that option. If not, your Hero stays out of it.

[Dai Grepher]

Ah, and what of those who's HoFs aren't living, hmmm? XD

 

That's the wrench in your plan, here. Why would Bioware craft what you seem to want them to, a larger scale DLC that takes into account many if not most of your Warden's main choices, that revolves basically entirely around the Warden.... if quite a few players don't even have a Warden anymore? What, will there be some new Stroud type character who can step in and fill the gap without coming off as completely shoehorned and a bit ridiculous? Implausible at best.

 

They could go back and address the Warden more directly and risk the wrath of the fanbase, orrr they could leave them in the dark and continue creating new content content, which is probably simpler to deal with because they don't have to worry about the weight of all of the decisions they'd have to worry over mishandling with our Wardens.

 

 

"The honest answer is, I wouldn't want to go back to the Hero of Ferelden." - ...WEEEEEKES. Sorry can't help it.

 

But yes. If HoF comes back, I think it'll be a more simplified version of the character as a kind of cameo, as we had with Hawke. I also think this isn't probably going to happen. XD

 

Addressed that at the end of the first post. Your UltSac Hero will have a majestic tomb at Weisshaupt reflecting their origin.

 

BioWare already took the Hero's choices into account with the Keep. Don't know what you're arguing here.

 

I didn't say it would revolve entirely around the Hero. I just said the Hero would be brought back in some capacity.

 

The new character would be customizable or a default, again, your choice. This character could possibly be the Orlesian Warden from Awakening.

 

And why is leaving us fans of the Hero in the dark an option but giving YOU the choice to leave your Hero out of it not an option? Have some consideration for other fans please.

 

Weeks can say whatever he wants, but the bottom line is what the fans want, and ALL FANS want the Hero to return.

[Dai Grepher]

The Hero is too important now:

 

- No not really. My Hero let Flemeth and Morrigan sort out their own mess and just lied to Morrigan. She has no idea that Flemeth is Mytal and would properly not believe so if told. She has zero ties to red lyrium and rifts (which was introduced in da2/da:I and have no knowlegde on Eluvian that another Pc couldn't learn just as quick. (Since it boils Down to - Mirror you can walk through).

 

As for the Ancient darkspawn magister Things, she would rather avoid them since Corepheus proved able to control tainted mages.

 

Any political ties is tied to Feraldan and thankfully we are about to leave that country behind. As for the chantry mage, templars? My wardden is just glad to be able to avoid that mess. Also she hates the grey wardens as an organisation. Her lover was Zevran and she killed Leliana and trusted Morrigan to be able to look after herself, so yeah. No ties there.

 

Few others measure up

 

That's... just not true. My Hof only special strenght is the taint and the weird blood power from the DLC, other than that she has a good silver tongue, but I doubt that it would move the World.

 

My Hawke have her beat in sheer determination and my Inqusitor have a Whole orgnaisation and the anchor.

 

Your Hero has already returned.

 

Actually with Zev, she has not put her life on hold, zev is with her

As for what she would do with the cure? Use it on herself and then sent a nice letter to Weishaupt to explain how it works. Then ride of into the sunset and be happy. As far as she has concerned she has done her duty.

 

Keep your option open

 

I prefer being left in the dust, thank you. Hawke was my favorite PC and they butchered her for a quest she had no busniness being in and manage to retroactively destory my enjoyment of DA2 which was my favorite game. And Hawke was mine, I had plenty of control over her.

 

If the Hero comes back it will be as an NCP and that would mean out of my hand.

 

Varric is right. The Hero has had her happy ending. I am glad to know she is working to preserve it, but I am even happier to move unto the NeXT interesting person. I am not in Dragon Age because of the HoF.

 

Noble end

 

I don't have an ultimate sacrifice, but if I did I would want the Fereldans and perhaps the Feraldan Wardens (WHO was the one the hero sacrificed themselves for) to have their grave and honor them,

 

Everything we know about the Weishaupt wardens is that they are not good persons, and I certainly would want the people the hof sacrificed themselves for to be one remembering them, not the corrupt, shady head of an orgnanisation who the hero never met and who would properly misuse their name.

 

And there are tiles for that in Keep. You probably already filled them out. So those choices would be accurately reflected in the next installment. Also, your Hero did Witch Hunt, which means they learned things about scrying, Elini Zinovia, the eluvians, the Lights of Arlathan, and so on. But this isn't the thread to talk about what makes the Hero tie into future storylines.

 

Fine, so have your Hero avoid them. No ties? Fine. Have a nice life. Oh, and you may want to let BioWare know this, cuz, ya know... they don't know any of that and probably have something else in mind.

 

I'm talking about skills and abilities.

 

Actually Zev isn't with her. DA:I saw to that. No, Zev is off being an assassin and helping the Inquisition in a distant capacity. And your Hero is searching for the cure. Her and Zev... split up. Perhaps forever... unless you join our cause. Because as of now, this isn't about her concerns, it's about BioWare's.

 

Oh you prefer to be left in the dust eh? Okay great. Next game, your Hero returns to Weisshaupt, because sending a letter is too risky, and she is thusly slain upon return by whatever evil force doesn't want the Wardens to be cured. Zevran commits suicide out of grief. Have a nice day, duster.

 

Yes, they butchered your Hawke. Why? Because you had no say in the matter. So you've seen where that road leads. Wouldn't you rather have a say in your Hero's fate lest she meet the same chopping block?

 

She didn't have her happy ending. She's searching for the cure, whether you wanted her to or not. What does BioWare have in store for her next?

 

Well too bad. Ferleden doesn't host the Hero's tomb, Weisshaupt does. That is explained in Origins, actually.

 

Bottom line, if you don't want BioWare screwing up your Hero like they did your Champion, support the movement to bring the Hero back and place the Hero back in the hands of the player.

[Dai Grepher]

I'm not in this "including you" boat. I adore my HoF, but she should stay outside of future games - especially regarding physical appearances. The re-introduction at the end of DA II was a huge mistake imo.

 

I hope she disappears again on the quest of finding a cure to the Calling and stays lost forever. Then, I can imagine the ending for her that I ever had in my mind. (Dying in the Deep Roads aside the Legion of Dead while fighting a huge army of Darkspawn. I roleplayed her as a diehard disciplined Warden for whom duty and the greater good always counted more than personal feelings or goals. So I was okay with the quest BioWare gave her. She would totally do this.)

 

You can hope all you want, but it won't happen for sure unless you are the one in control. Also, how many fans would hate that idea? Just saying. This isn't just about what you want. It's about what EVERY FAN wants, including you.

 

And why would she go on the cure quest if she planned to die in the Deep Roads? And are you saying she survived battles with darkspawn for about eight years? And then at the end of that set of years she decided to check out Morrigan's lead?

 

Looks to me like your headcanon was already shattered by BioWare. Well I say, never again! Am I right?

 

So support the Hero coming back so that YOU can decide to have her take the cure to the Deep Roads to help her Legionnaire comrades.

[Dai Grepher]

The Inquisitor can be Dalish, actually when you think of it, if he is a dalish, and he saves the world, he is more important than the Hero of Fereldan, who saved only Fereldan(Not saying its not anocmplish) But sorry, the Inquisitor is more important than the HOF now. He/she choose the new ruler of Orlais. It was the Inquisitor who found that Flemeth is Mythal, not the Hero Of Fereldan. It was the Inquisitor Who affected the Grand Clerics to choose Leliana as divine (depending on your choices)

 

It was the Inquisition that pushed Orlais for peace. 

 

It was The Inquisitor who decided the fate of the Grey Wardens. Not the HOF.

 

What is the connection between the HOF and the rifts? Only the INQUISITOR can close them. 

 

It is the INQUISITION AND THE INQUISITIOR, that dealt with the Red Lyrium, and still dealing, trying to stop it. I dont see why the HOF would be connected to this. 

 

It was the Inquisitor who stopped the mage-templar war. 

 

Dont get me wrong, I would like to see the HOF return in DLC or smthing. But what you said, most of it was the Quizzy's important jobs. 

 

But all this threads, they just make me change my mind. The pepole that want to see the Warden think that he is the most important person in Thedas. Well he is NOT  the most important person in Thedas, currently its the Inquisitor. 

 

Well the Hero saved the world too... from the Blight. Had Ferelden fallen then the rest of the world would have been at risk too.

 

The cure is how. The cure should work on the red lyrium, theoretically.

 

Eh, the mage/templar war kind of resolved itself actually. And it's the Chantry that decides the future of the circles and the templars.

 

Even the least of the Heroes can still assist even the best of Inquisitors somehow. With the cure if nothing else.
 

I'm not saying the Hero is the most important person. Just that the Hero is to a lot of fans, and that even fans who don't see the Hero as important would still want to determine that Hero's fate.

[Dai Grepher]

This is turning into quite the sh*tstorm. Three pages of "no" must be kind of hurtful.

 

I disagree with everything you said, but I think you're a wonderful person and hope you're having a great day.

 

Not at all. It just reminds me that you can lead people to wisdom, but you can't make them think.

 

So you disagree that the Hero's fate should be given back to the players to decide?

[Dai Grepher]

How are all these things you mentioned important to my DEAD warden? 

 

They aren't. The only thing that is to those Heroes is the tomb in Weisshaupt.

[AWTEW]

I'd rather  have sarcastic hawke return.

[Dai Grepher]

 

Sh*t, I almost thought my own thoughts, preferences and opinions were my own and mine alone. Guess not then. My whole life was a lie!
 

 

 

Do you know what allows players to do this?

Their own infinite imagination.

Do you know what DOESN'T allow players to do this?

Bioware pulling the strings with a DLC with limited resources and time.
 

 

How is this even relevant to the return of the HoF?

 

 

 

Your prediction is based on your own opinion, your own perspective. And it is not fact, cannot be used as fact.

 

 

 

People make decisions based on the risk of loss to potential profit ratio. As of right now, since a large group of the fanbase is saying no, the previous lead writer for the franchise (including the HoF) left, the new lead writer has 0 interest in the HoF/Grey Wardens and because making all of your decisions matter and every single little personality choice affect the HoF costs a giantic amount of resources and money, Bioware is opting "no".

 

 

They are your thoughts. And your thoughts are exactly as I wrote. Think of this thread's first post as... Cole. Basically.

 

Okay, so let's have BioWare make a new DLC or game that puts the power back in the hands of the imaginative fans. Glad you agree with me.

 

I didn't say my prediction was fact. I used facts to back up my claim about the fanbase.

 

BioWare is between a rock and a hard place. And so are you. So am I. Bringing back the Hero using the method I laid out gets us all out from between them.

 

EDIT: If BioWare lets the players decide the ending for their Heroes, then that means the Hero and bow out and stay gone. It brings closure to the Hero as chosen by the players. The Hero's story ends as we want, and thus no more "bring back the Hero" threads.

[Dai Grepher]

Every badass heroic Warden dies killing the Archdemon instead of pussying out and making someone else do it, or partaking in witchcraft to avoid death.

 

I don't want the Warden back. It fits the narrative better if they're dead.

 

Then don't bring the Hero back. That would be your choice if they brought the Hero back in the next installment.

[Patient.Zero]

They are your thoughts. And your thoughts are exactly as I wrote. Think of this thread's first post as... Cole. Basically.

Whoa whoa whoa, Don't just try and win my agreement with a Cole reference. This is emotional manipulation!

(I'm joking you seem like an ok person)

[Dai Grepher]

Sometime you're right to not do something. Some strategies aren't worth pursuing.

Remember, there are two different downsides to the proposal. One is a bad implementation that results in a negative payout-- character assassination, etc. The probability of a Bio failure here is significant, because we've seen Bio fail at this before. I agree that committing more resources to the implementation can reduce the failure chance. The problem is that the resource costs of the implementation are a downside in themselves.

All the proposals so far sound like they would make the game significantly worse for me. The upside of the proposal just doesn't generate enough value to cover the projected costs; since I won't derive very much value from bringing the Warden back, there's a cap on the upside. I'm actually best off with the cheapest implementation since I'm not particularly worried about character assassination, but other players score this stuff differently.

 

Yes, but this one is. The alternative is the leave the Hero in limbo with no updates, thus angering the fans that want closure or more adventures.

 

That is not a downside. If the Hero is implemented poorly, then players can choose to leave the Hero out of the game. Easy.

 

Also, the cost is not a downside either, because that cost would go toward creating a fill-in character in case the player chose to leave the Hero out of the game. In other words, the characters would be interchangeable. It's just that the fill-in would not have as much storyline behind him/her. But all the voice sets would apply. So it wouldn't be a waste.

 

The upside would generate sales to those who want to see their Heroes again.

[Dai Grepher]

Well OP.. thanks for telling me what I want - I didn't know

 

because last time I checked I was against bringing the warden back!

 

Glad I could help.
 

[Eelectrica]

If they bring the warden back, awesome if not I won't lose sleep over it. Perhaps if we visit Weisshaupt he/she should be there. They could make the surviving HoF the warden commander or something and keep the character active in the story that way.

[Dai Grepher]

I know a lot of people who jumped into the Dragon Age universe with Inquisition, they have no idea about the lore, the story and the past characters. They still enjoy the game, and I think they couldn't care less about a hero who they did not even play ever. Even though the density of die hard fans ( like me) on the forums is higher, actually I think there are less people you would think who played previous games, compared to the total amount of people who played or plays it. Just my 2 cents, - i also would love to see the hero but it never gonna happen.

 

Fine. They get the default worldstate. Dead Hero. They get to visit the tomb a learn a bit about that Hero. Or just walk through it not paying attention.

[Dai Grepher]

The wardens that died could be in the fade the Inquisitor goes to the fade and meets the dead hero of Ferelden and then the HOF helps out the Inquisitor for a short time like Hawke did

 

Well Origins suggests that the Warden who died against the archdemon has their soul cancelled out by it.

[Dai Grepher]

But you're layering a second set of reactivity on top of the existing reactivity, right. That still strikes me as a substantial cost, especially when you talk about going Citadel with the DLC. Whether the expenditure is "unreasonable" depends on the expected payout of adding the feature. Of course it's going to look reasonable to you, since you really want the Warden back. And for those of us who don't?

Though I think you're on the right general track with the argument. You're not going to sell people on bringing the Warden back being a good thing, but you might be able to sell some of them on the feature not doing enough damage to be worth opposing.

 

For those who don't, the resources used to bring back the Hero would then transfer to the fill-in character. Possibly the Orlesian Warden, or some new character. Same voice talents, same moves, just without the Hero's backstory.

 

Bring back the Hero to leave the Hero out of it. That's the sales pitch. I think this solution satisfies the demands of both sides, even if one side is too... distracted by other things to recognize it.

[Dai Grepher]

And I don't trust it to be done right.  Not as you described it, not in any way I have yet heard.  I want my Warden's fate to be left to my imagination.  I don't want a heroic end.  I don't want a last adventure.  My Wardens already saved Thedas once.  That's plenty.

 

Heck I didn't even want Hawke to make an appearance.  I certainly didn't want him to leave Merrill behind in Kirkwall, especially after Varric said she stayed at his side.

 

 

Gameplay has nothing to do with it:  it's story.  I'm happy with how my Wardens' stories ended, and I don't want to disturb that.  Give me new characters, and new companions, to go with the new stories.

 

Too late. DA:I already brought the Hero back. Now the only question is where the Hero goes from here. Do you allow BioWare to call the shots, or do you stand with us and demand that the players be given the choice?

 

I understand your feelings on Hawke. Think of the Hero's return this way...

 

Imagine Varric walking up to you in Skyhold's main hall when you first discovered it. Now imagine he says to you, "Hey, your Inquisitorialness." And he gestures you to follow him. "I have something to ask you." So you follow him to his corner of the room. He says, "Ya know, I just remembered that I'm well acquainted with someone who could help us out a great deal in fighting Corypheus. Should I contact this person?"

 

You would then have the option to say yes or no. And if you say no, Varric replies, "I understand. Probably best to keep my friend out of danger. Thanks for hearing me out though."

 

And that would be that. No Hawke in DA:I. In a similar way, there would be no Hero in the next installment.

[MyKingdomCold]

So you're saying that if we don't want the Hero back we have to skip the next game? Or would he be replaced by someone else?

[Dai Grepher]

Too bad none of this actually matters since half the community has a dead Warden due to the Ultimate Sacrifice. Face the facts and recognize the Warden will not be returning. David Gaider, lead writer and authority on all things Dragon Age, has already explicitly said the Warden is not coming back, getting another game, getting any kind of DLC, or any other nonsense. His/her minor presence in DAI was purely fan service for those whose Warden actually lived either because of the dark ritual or they sacrificed another warden. The same will be the case of Hawke, who the player could either choose to live or die. Hawke's role in Thedas is now over and he/she will not return.

 

The only character that matters at all at this point is the Inquisitor. Knowing Gaider, he'll likely jump to a new hero and the Inquisitor will become irrelevant. That has been the trend of Dragon Age, unlike Mass Effect. Better get used to it...

 

UltSac Heroes would have a tomb at Weisshaupt. In this case, a fill-in character would appear, possibly the Orlesian Warden from Awakening.

 

David Gaider left BioWare.

 

No, Hawke went to Weisshaupt, and now there is trouble there as well according to the epilogue. As for a Hawke who stayed behind in the Fade, what makes you think that Hawke is dead? Maybe Hawke's dead, or maybe the Nightmare found a body to possess.

[Dai Grepher]

So you're saying that if we don't want the Hero back we have to skip the next game? Or would he be replaced by someone else?

 

No. I'm saying if you don't want the Hero back, then you would select an option either in-game or in the Keep saying that the Hero does not return in that game. In the Hero's place would be a new custom character, or possibly the Orlesian Warden.

[Dai Grepher]

The Warden is too OP for Inquisition since he can be a dual wielding multi-specialized Warrior, every poor Sod in Thedas would die.

 

Keep in mind that 10 years have passed and possibly the taint has advanced that far as well. Otherwise, yes, an OP Hero. I'm fine with that. Gives the Inquisitor a new challenge to compete with.

[The Qun & the Damned]

sure, i'd like some closure, but I honestly don't give a shite if i ever see the HoF ever again.