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[PapaCharlie9]

I hate, Hate, HATE the way the Grey Wardens were brought low in the DA:I story. From the moral dilemma of sacrificing Hawke or Allistair/Loghain/Stroud in the Fade to the corruption and slaughter at Adamant to the exile-or-perish condemnation by the Inquisition to the collapse hinted at in the epilogue.

 

I mean, like the Grey Wardens aren't already tragic enough with their "In Death, Sacrifice" required to end a Blight, not to mention the consequences of the (real) Calling for every Warden? They have to have their own vows and mission internally corrupted and externally destroyed as an organization for good?

 

So the plot point I'd change is to restrict the extent of the false Calling to Orlais. Only Warden-Commander Clarel and the GWs of Adamant are seduced by the notion of routing out the Old Gods with a demon army. The Grey Wardens in Fereldan and elsewhere would be mostly unaffected and would join with Inquisition forces in attacking Adamant. There would be no crisis of leadership in the Order, particularly not at Weisshaupt. The end result, exile-or-perish from Orlais, would be no worse than the historical banishment of the Order from Fereldan.

 

I think that leaves most of the interesting drama centered on Adamant intact without taking anything away from the rise of the Inquisition as the only viable political organization in southern Thedas. It's not necessary, IMO, to destroy the Order utterly to tell that part of the story.

[Frybread76]

I would have liked the OGB to have developed into something important to the fate of Thedas.  Kinda like an anti-Christ (anti-Andraste?) theme.  Instead, because the DR was optional, we get the OGB being swept under the rug at the end of DA:I.

[Lumix19]

I hate, Hate, HATE the way the Grey Wardens were brought low in the DA:I story. From the moral dilemma of sacrificing Hawke or Allistair/Loghain/Stroud in the Fade to the corruption and slaughter at Adamant to the exile-or-perish condemnation by the Inquisition to the collapse hinted at in the epilogue.
 
I mean, like the Grey Wardens aren't already tragic enough with their "In Death, Sacrifice" required to end a Blight, not to mention the consequences of the (real) Calling for every Warden? They have to have their own vows and mission internally corrupted and externally destroyed as an organization for good?
 
So the plot point I'd change is to restrict the extent of the false Calling to Orlais. Only Warden-Commander Clarel and the GWs of Adamant are seduced by the notion of routing out the Old Gods with a demon army. The Grey Wardens in Fereldan and elsewhere would be mostly unaffected and would join with Inquisition forces in attacking Adamant. There would be no crisis of leadership in the Order, particularly not at Weisshaupt. The end result, exile-or-perish from Orlais, would be no worse than the historical banishment of the Order from Fereldan.
 
I think that leaves most of the interesting drama centered on Adamant intact without taking anything away from the rise of the Inquisition as the only viable political organization in southern Thedas. It's not necessary, IMO, to destroy the Order utterly to tell that part of the story.

Well wasn't the false calling essentially restricted to Fereldan and Orlais anyway? I'm pretty sure other orders weren't affected. Also I was under the impression the exile wasn't any worse than the historical banishment from Fereldan. I thought the point was that the Wardens were to leave Southern Thedas only whilst Corypheus remained a threat. And I think the events at Weisshaupt sound quite intriguing, seems like DLC material to me. They're just going through a rough patch, it would be weird if they didn't since Corypheus has such power over them.

[KainD]

I didn't like the whole plot, I don't know where to start. 

[Just My Moniker]

The option to crash the Halamshiral party like a boss 

 

Extra points if Shots by LMFAO played in the background

[Korva]

Hard to say. I wouldn't want anything changed so much as I'd want everything to be fleshed out more. Corypheus. The faith theme as well as its various manifestations in various characters and how the people view the "Herald". The Anchor and its effects and abilities. The consequences of the mage/templar war. The terrible ending, which has no build-up and makes little sense -- everything pointed to a siege of Skyhold, even the ruins we fight in look a lot like Skyhold ... the mountains near the Temple of Sacred Ashes had no such ruins as I recall.

 

I like the basic story a lot, but it feels like it played tenth fiddle to farting around in a bunch of utterly unrelated zones and most of its potential was wasted by leaving it rushed and shallow.

[PapaCharlie9]

Well wasn't the false calling essentially restricted to Fereldan and Orlais anyway? I'm pretty sure other orders weren't affected. Also I was under the impression the exile wasn't any worse than the historical banishment from Fereldan. I thought the point was that the Wardens were to leave Southern Thedas only whilst Corypheus remained a threat. And I think the events at Weisshaupt sound quite intriguing, seems like DLC material to me. They're just going through a rough patch, it would be weird if they didn't since Corypheus has such power over them.

Maybe. I was left with the impression that all of the GW were gone from everywhere, but we don't actually hear/see much about northern Thedas, so you may be right. But the exile I read as for as long as the Inquisition is in power, not just during the threat. The impression is given that the GW can't be trusted at all.

 

As for the epilog, intrigue and mystery were definitely intended, but it's bleak no matter how you read it. Maybe we're being set up for another Hero of Fereldan type character to resurrect the Order (been there, done that). But my read is that the GW is self-destructing with no hope of recovery.

[Lumix19]

Maybe. I was left with the impression that all of the GW were gone from everywhere, but we don't actually hear/see much about northern Thedas, so you may be right. But the exile I read as for as long as the Inquisition is in power, not just during the threat. The impression is given that the GW can't be trusted at all.
 
As for the epilog, intrigue and mystery were definitely intended, but it's bleak no matter how you read it. Maybe we're being set up for another Hero of Fereldan type character to resurrect the Order (been there, done that). But my read is that the GW is self-destructing with no hope of recovery.

Well I doubt they could ever be totally destroyed, who would stop the Blights? That said it is bleak.

[Abelas Forever!]

I would change Alistair/Hawke/Stroud decision so that there wouln't be that decision at all or that I don't have to choose between Hawke and Alistair. Maybe the decision could be between Alistair/Hawke/some other character from my party. I'm really getting tired of seeing my romances to end. It really doesn't help that when I compare the female PC's romances to romances where the PC is male and see that there is always multple ways to have a happy ending.

[Korva]

The Grey Wardens were always shady at best, to be honest. Yes, Inquisition really gave them a kicking with how easily Clarel falls for Erimond's inanity and how easily all the mages went along with it, but even Origins made it pretty clear (via Duncan's actions) that they're a nastily ruthless lot. IMO the only reason why they felt heroic then was the fact that the two surviving Wardens were an utterly clueless newbie and an almost-as-clueless, almost-as-newbie naive guy with a massive case of rose-colored glasses for the only people who ever made him feel worthwhile and wanted in a life dominated by neglect and rejection.

 

Anyway, I need to heavily amend my first post, because I remembered something I do very much want changed because I dislike it so much that I'm trying to forget it's even there: Morrigan. I hate the character with a burning passion, and also hate how the game makes everyone fawn over her and has her steal the spotlight for most of the endgame. She's completely unnecessary -- It's not like we don't have an actual elf-lore-expert right there. If I could get rid of her without a trace, I'd gladly pay for the game all over again.

 

(Another, more minor, change would be explicitly killing Hawke or the "Warden friend" in the Fade. Or both, even. No hints at a possible survival, they get torn apart on-screen by the Nightmare and are gone for good. I want a real sacrifice, not something half-arsed that can be hand-waved away later. Inquisition gives us too smooth a ride as it is, I'd like some more setbacks and losses.)

[Heimdall]

A single plot point?

 

Hm...  Well, what I would really like to do is inject more scenarios after Haven that showcase the threat Corypheus poses, help his sense of threat keep up that solid momentum Haven gave him.

 

And end the game with an attack on Skyhold by Corypheus instead of that flying castle business.

 

That's what bothered me most.

[katerinafm]

I agree! I loved the Grey Wardens and how heroic they appeared, and now it's so sad to see where they're going with them. In DAO I really felt like a hero in the Warden Order, and now the Order appears to be filled with idiots that destroys each other more than the darkspawn. The Warden turned his back for ONE second, and BOOM. Tevinter magisters, abominations, blood magic, and helped kill the Divine. Great.

 

Edit: For those that are saying that GW are all about 'Victory at all costs', yes, I know. However it didn't HAVE to be this way, and in DAO, your only other Warden companion was Alistair who was pretty much the nicest guy you had, and your Warden could save the day without resulting to that if they wished. So, whatever the rest of the Order was supposed to be in the first game, I only got the impression that my character was a hero.

[Br3admax]

Where do people keep getting this idea of heroes from? The Wardens are a bunch of ends-justify-the-means, and they always have been.

[Hellion Rex]

Where do people keep getting this idea of heroes from? The Wardens are a bunch of ends-justify-the-means, and they always have been.

Quite. I actually thought Here Lies the Abyss was one of the strongest plot arcs. And I thought it truly epitomized the Grey Warden methodology.

[Steelcan]

My "Gaspard RW's the Halamshiral Ball instead of whatever he was gonna do with his knights and mercenaries"

[Br3admax]

Yeah, even Alistair says the same when call the Grey Wardens "Knights/heroes." They burn villages to the ground so darkspawn don't get to. They seized an entire kingdom because apparently need it to combat the Blight.

[Retconnaissance]

I would've changed In Hushed Whispers. As cool as it was to see the dark future, I still think time travel should've never been introduced in Dragon Age universe.

[Hellion Rex]

Of the main plot arcs: Here Lies the Abyss, What Pride Hath Wrought, Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts, Champions of the Just, In Your Heart Shall Burn, and In Hushed Whispers, the one that I thought needed more work was WE, WH. It really just lacked the oompf that it needed.

 

 

My favorite arcs were: Here Lies the Abyss, Champions of the Just, and In Your Heart Shall Burn.

[AresKeith]

I'd change Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts

 

Way too short

[In Exile]

I would make the Orlesian regions feature the civil war far more prominently than they do, given how stopping it is a major plot point. In particular, I would actually feature Briala (replacing the Freedmen plot with something CE related). 

 

Where do people keep getting this idea of heroes from? The Wardens are a bunch of ends-justify-the-means, and they always have been.

 

Alistair, and their own HOF. 

[Korva]

How would you two change Wicked Eyes? As someone who's usually quite allergic to fancy-pantsy political stuff, I was surprised that I actually liked it ... dancing with Florianne and then publicly exposing her plans and ruining her was very satisfying. But those moments aside, I felt that sneaking around the Winter Palace was was too easy, and maybe the mission would have been stronger with less generic adventuring content and more dialogs and intrigue.

[Br3admax]

Alistair, and their own HOF.

Next to irony, I think rhetorical might be the single greatest thing about the English language.

[Hellion Rex]

How would you two change Wicked Eyes? As someone who's usually quite allergic to fancy-pantsy political stuff, I was surprised that I actually liked it ... dancing with Florianne and then publicly exposing her plans and ruining her was very satisfying. But those moments aside, I felt that sneaking around the Winter Palace was was too easy, and maybe the mission would have been stronger with less generic adventuring content and more dialogs and intrigue.

Oh, I thought the Florianne part was fine. I thought she was very well written, and pretty well voiced. The dance scene was very, very well done.

 

However, on the other hand, my issues lie with Gaspard, Briala, and Celene. I really didn't feel like I was effectively deciding the fate of an entire country. The choices presented lacked the impact that they should have had. At least to me.

 

And yes, I think it should have had more dialogue and "intrigue". And the whole sneaking around the palace felt way, way too easy. Especially climbing on the garden fence when half the damn nobles are literally two feet away.

[AresKeith]

How would you two change Wicked Eyes? As someone who's usually quite allergic to fancy-pantsy political stuff, I was surprised that I actually liked it ... dancing with Florianne and then publicly exposing her plans and ruining her was very satisfying. But those moments aside, I felt that sneaking around the Winter Palace was was too easy, and maybe the mission would have been stronger with less generic adventuring content and more dialogs and intrigue.

 

The Winter Palace itself was fine, though I still feel that Vivienne and maybe Sera could played a role in it and Gaspard, Briala, and Celene could've been handled better

 

I just think the entire arc should've been more than just one mission

[Heimdall]

Oh, I thought the Florianne part was fine. I thought she was very well written, and pretty well voiced. The dance scene was very, very well done.

 

However, on the other hand, my issues lie with Gaspard, Briala, and Celene. I really didn't feel like I was effectively deciding the fate of an entire country. The choices presented lacked the impact that they should have had. At least to me.

 

And yes, I think it should have had more dialogue and "intrigue". And the whole sneaking around the palace felt way, way too easy. Especially climbing on the garden fence when half the damn nobles are literally two feet away.

For me, I think that was a problem of buildup.

 

We're very suddenly introduced to them and the conflict of the Civil War and expected to resolve it with pretty minimal background.