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Is the Inquisitor the least morally ambiguous (spoilers)


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As Inquisitor, there is no way for u to kill Vivienne even if u hate her, banish Cole back to the fade or feed Dorian to the Red Templars. The main choices are not even remotely morally ambiguous.


Those aren't morally ambiguous (except maybe Cole), those are straight up "evil and cruel" choices

Personally I'm glad Bioware is moving from that route and doing things that would make sense in the story they want to tell

That being said you can poison Vivienne's lover, and be an ass to everyone
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I think the lack of obviously evil choices stems from the same cause as the safe/bland ending of the main quest. After the ME3 debacle and the disappointment over DA2, BW played it safe. Though there's no such thing as bad publicity (they expected headlines like Video game ‘Dragon Age: Inquisition’ banned in India over gay character), having an uproar over "DA:I encourages evil-doing" may have been a third strike to the business. Why take the risk?

 

That said, like the ME franchise, you can do a playthrough where your goal is to maximize disapproval of every companion -- though unlike ME, you can't get them killed. That does result in some unambiguously nasty things that you can say or dom like punching Solas. I don't think you can make every companion quit the Inquisition, that would break the main quest, but I think you can get most of them to quit.



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Well, i am also talking about the main choices.

As said, the Warden can made some seriously morally-ambiguous choices and can kill all his companions if he wants to.

Hawke can give up Isabela and Fenris and kill her sister and Merrill (siding with the templar) if she so wishes.

As Inquisitor, there is no way for u to kill Vivienne even if u hate her, banish Cole back to the fade or feed Dorian to the Red Templars. The main choices are not even remotely morally ambiguous.


On the matter of choices, I can agree with you to some extent. Some choices have more to do with whether you'll be merciful or not in a situation where the other option is probably justified.


But personality? No way. Just yesterday I got to the point where Cassandra is arguing with Varric over Hawke, and one of the dialogue options was "It would be funny if it weren't so sad" as an insult to her.

Those aren't morally ambiguous (except maybe Cole), those are straight up "evil and cruel" choices
Personally I'm glad Bioware is moving from that route and doing things that would make sense in the story they want to tell
That being said you can poison Vivienne's lover, and be an ass to everyone


Yup.

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Well, i am also talking about the main choices.

As said, the Warden can made some seriously morally-ambiguous choices and can kill all his companions if he wants to.

Hawke can give up Isabela and Fenris and kill her sister and Merrill (siding with the templar) if she so wishes.

As Inquisitor, there is no way for u to kill Vivienne even if u hate her, banish Cole back to the fade or feed Dorian to the Red Templars. The main choices are not even remotely morally ambiguous.


The Warden can't decide to kill off companions. What can happen is that you can pick one totally insane option at the temple of sacred ashes that will make some party members fight you. There are also options to kill people before recruiting them, but otherwise people turn on you.

The real problem with this in DAO (and DA2) is that some choices jump over the moral event horizon to such a degree that it's hard to conceive why some of the party wouldn't abandon you.

DAI avoids this issue by cutting off your petty evil options and the insane alternatives to quest (e.g. siding with the crazy cave dwelling unwashed hermits).

There's a real debate to be had about the lack of savagery with some DAI content (e.g. execution) but that's separate from companion related stuff.
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Here is one of many instances where the Inquisitor can be a power-hungry jerk.

 

And yeah, like Qun00 wrote, the "Renegade" choices also happen to be the ones that people tend to pick the least.   

Seems to be a human-only option, but humans ARE dickwads.

 

I will make sure to choose that option for my worst world state, "stupid humans ruin everything."



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Yes I found the story works best playing it straight as a good/classic hero type. Which was kind of...refreshing in a way because I'm so used to anti heroes. But it's not really just the dialogue or characterization of the Inquisitor. It's the plot/setting that just seems to lend itself that sort of character type... the Quizzy's role is to restore order, and seems to at least perceive themselves as doing good. The Quizzy ends up stopping a war and reforming the chantry, so he/she is a peacemaker.

Hawke always seems like a bit of a (loveable) jerk to me, and I find sarcastic personality really fits the story narrative and Hawke's role in it. He/she isn't really Kirkwall's savior, but Kirkwall's critic. Even siding with Meredith and the Templars, it's due to the fact they've messed up so royally. I'd say Hawke was the most ambiguous as he/she was more of a wild card in terms of what choice you'd make at the end and which faction you'd side with. Hawke is a polarizing figure. You help start a war (intentionally or not).

The Warden, being part of an order that is known for doing whatever it takes to stop a blight, at any cost, seems the most inclined to making dark or ruthless choices for the greater good. Of the 3 I think the Origins story lends itself best to a dark character. You are tainted. You have ample opportunity to makes deals with demons, use blood magic, and make hard or ruthless choices. The joining ritual sets you up for this right off the bat, with Duncan killing what's his name who wanted to back out.
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Yes I found the story works best playing it straight as a good/classic hero type. Which was kind of...refreshing in a way because I'm so used to anti heroes. But it's not really just the dialogue or characterization of the Inquisitor. It's the plot/setting that just seems to lend itself that sort of character type... the Quizzy's role is to restore order, and seems to at least perceive themselves as doing good. The Quizzy ends up stopping a war and reforming the chantry, so he/she is a peacemaker.
 

 

yeah, which is why i feel that the inquisitor is the blandest of the 3. but the most logically one, story-wise.

 

like i said, if u played a 'evil' warden and made all the 'evil' choices and then sending your companion (esp Alistair), i do not see why he should be called a Hero. He did not save Ferelden and Loghain has atoned for his sins if he had die for it. he is just a companion, like many of your other companions, he did not deserve the title if he did not kill the Archdemon and more so if he made all the 'evil' choices. the one who killed the Archdemon shall always be the Hero.

 

Hawke can be called the Champion no mtatter what she did because she resolved the Qun issue no matter what. it was always her who either kill Arishok or give Isabela to him to avoid conflict. So she deserves it even if she is evil.



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yeah, which is why i feel that the inquisitor is the blandest of the 3. but the most logically one, story-wise.

 

like i said, if u played a 'evil' warden and made all the 'evil' choices and then sending your companion (esp Alistair), i do not see why he should be called a Hero. He did not save Ferelden and Loghain has atoned for his sins if he had die for it. he is just a companion, like many of your other companions, he did not deserve the title if he did not kill the Archdemon and more so if he made all the 'evil' choices. the one who killed the Archdemon shall always be the Hero.

 

Hawke can be called the Champion no mtatter what she did because she resolved the Qun issue no matter what. it was always her who either kill Arishok or give Isabela to him to avoid conflict. So she deserves it even if she is evil.

You gathered forces and united ferelden to fight blight so you are hero in people eyes regardless if you strike last blow to archdemon still lead force responsible for killing archdemon as well fought it.About most di**** things you did folks don't even know.  



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You gathered forces and united ferelden to fight blight so you are hero in people eyes regardless if you strike last blow to archdemon still lead force responsible for killing archdemon as well fought it.About most di**** things you did folks don't even know.  

 

why not Alistair? He is also the other Grey Warden in the party. And if he died for it, shouldn't the public be more willing to support him even since he is supposed to be a king but gave it up to fight Archdemon.



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why not Alistair? He is also the other Grey Warden in the party. And if he died for it, shouldn't the public be more willing to support him even since he is supposed to be a king but gave it up to fight Archdemon.

Because Alistair was only companion lead by you in that case the warden did most of the job in dao ,if alive on your side he is seen as hero as well (as every your companion) but you take cake for your doings during blight if you slay archdemon you only get extra title.