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[Dr.Fumbles]

I must think differently about that stuff. I think how heavy the thing would be to carry if I had to carry it along with all my other gear out in the field.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Its more of a defense weapon, not something you'd haul through thick brush uphill. Imagine a scenario where a suicide bomber in a car blasts past the first checkpoint with the intention of blowing up your FOB. You grab the 20mm and stop the car with a single shot with a 20mm AP-HE through the engine block from several hundred meters away. The next one takes out the bomber even with an indirect hit.

Or counter sniping, with the range of your 20mm you're in relative safety, you have almost twice the range of any weapon the enemy might be using. Oh, and the sniper takes cover behind a brick wall? Shoot through the brick wall.

[Dr.Fumbles]

I would just use .50cal for a defensive position like that. As for the Sniping, I don't know. The gun is too big for it's own good. I would rather use it for it's intended purpse which is to take out tanks.

[Cknarf]

 

Lol. Mail-order anti-tank rifles.

 

Collectors had it pretty sweet in pre-GCA America.

[Giant ambush beetle]

I would just use .50cal for a defensive position like that. As for the Sniping, I don't know. The gun is too big for it's own good. I would rather use it for it's intended purpse which is to take out tanks.

The 20mm is much more powerful than the 50 caliber, should your target be something thats armored you'll find yourself out of luck with the 50 caliber. Also the 20mm opens a whole nother world with high explosive rounds because the projectile is big enough to carry a decent amount of explosives.

In other words, in case you need a really powerful rifle for a defensive role the 20mm is simply a safer bet. If you're ordered to hold and defend a position there is no reason not to go with the bigger caliber, and switching positions is not that hard since its still light enough to be carried (60kg / 145lbs) around for short distances

[Dr.Fumbles]

The 20mm is much more powerful than the 50 caliber, should your target be something thats armored you'll find yourself out of luck with the 50 caliber. Also the 20mm opens a whole nother world with high explosive rounds because the projectile is big enough to carry a decent amount of explosives.

 

You do realize the 50 cal has armor piercing rounds right. They use it all the time to stop cars and such. I just don't see the appeal of something that big. I see it as a heavy load which I would rather not deal with. Also, you can't forget the price per bullet. It's probably like $20.

[Giant ambush beetle]

You do realize the 50 cal has armor piercing rounds right. They use it all the time to stop cars and such. I just don't see the appeal of something that big. I see it as a heavy load which I would rather not deal with.

7.62 will destroy a car engine, so why use the 50? Because it works better. And the 20mm works even better and that at longer ranges. I know if I see a suicide bomber car I want the biggest caliber I can handle because I want to be absolutely sure the first hit knocks it out. There is no reason not to go with the bigger caliber.
 

Also, you can't forget the price per bullet. It's probably like $20.

The power / cost ratio actually makes it extremely cheap. If you cant knock it out with the 50 you're usually forced to destroy it with something far more expensive. That's where the 20mm comes into play. Much MUCH cheaper than a javelin or tank round, heck, even cheaper than the 25mm rounds of the Bradley.

[Dr.Fumbles]

7.62 will destroy a car engine, so why use the 50? Because it works better. And the 20mm works even better and that at longer ranges. I know if I see a suicide bomber car I want the biggest caliber I can handle because I want to be absolutely sure the first hit knocks it out. There is no reason not to go with the bigger caliber.
 
The power / cost ratio actually makes it extremely cheap. If you cant knock it out with the 50 you're usually forced to destroy it with something far more expensive. Thats where the 20mm comes into play.

 

How about we agree to disagree because there is no way you can convince me using that in today's battlefield aside from Tank busting is a good idea.

[Giant ambush beetle]

How about we agree to disagree because there is no way you can convince me using that in today's battlefield aside from Tank busting is a good idea.

Not too long ago that's what people said about putting the 50 into a rifle format. When the Germans introduced a round VERY similar to the 50 BMG in a rifle back in world war one, tank busting was its only purpose. And now look what the 50 is used for nowadays. Many roles.

 

 

English soldiers with a captured 13mm Mauser anti tank rifle. 

 

[Dr.Fumbles]

Not too long ago that's what people said about putting the 50 into a rifle format.

 

The .50 cal is dying I think due to it's weight in the field. I think the .338 Lapuamagnum is replacing it more and more since it does everything else, and it's also more cost efficient.

 

Also, the 20mm has already been done. Don't you think it would be used more now adays if it worked?

[Giant ambush beetle]

The .50 cal is dying I think due to it's weight in the field. I think the .338 Lapuamagnum is replacing it more and more since it does everything else, and it's also more cost efficient.

 

Also, the 20mm has already been done. Don't you think it would be used more now adays if it worked?

I don't know what you're talking about, the 50BMG gets more and more popular, same with the 20mm. The .338 has an entirely different role, a highly maneuverable rifle platform with long range capabilities, its not meant for busting through brick walls and stopping light armored vehicles, in other words an anti materiel role. Its a sniper rifle. 

 

Also the FBI bought several 20mm rifles for the counter sniping role, the exact same model in my pictures. 

[Dr.Fumbles]

I don't know what you're talking about, the 50BMG gets more and more popular, same with the 20mm. The .338 has an entirely different role, a highly maneuverable rifle platform with long range capabilities, its not meant for busting through brick walls and stopping light armored vehicles, in other words an anti materiel role. Its a sniper rifle. 

 

Also the FBI bought several 20mm rifles for the counter sniping role, the exact same model in my pictures. 

 

I used to talk to a former Sniper in the town I used to live, and he wasn't a fan of the .50BMG which is where I heard it from. So you might be right then if that is the new curreny policy. Either way, I would rather use the .338 then the.50 and 20mm.

[General TSAR]

There can only be one! 20mm (20x110!!) Anzio Ironworks Anti Materiel rifle. I wish I had one.....one dozen! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But if you think that rifles in that caliber are a new invention you'd be wrong. 20mm anti materiel rifles were already used by the Germans in WWII.

 

20mm solothurn.

 

A slightly different version:

 

So the Jerries really did have Anti-Materiel rifles, they sure were ahead of their time.

[Giant ambush beetle]

I used to talk to a former Sniper in the town I used to live, and he wasn't a fan of the .50BMG which is where I heard it from. So you might be right then if that is the new curreny policy. Either way, I would rather use the .338 then the.50 and 20mm.

 
Each of those calibers fill a role the others don't so you can't say ''I'd rather pick caliber XYZ over the others'' because the choice depends on the satiation you're in. Are you a sniper who takes out light machine gun units and insurgents in a dynamic quickly changing battlefield? That's what the .338 has been designed for.
Do you want to take out high value targets like grounded airplanes, or shoot vehicles &  lightly armored vehicles from a defensive position, or are you planning on doing counter sniping operations? That's the job for the 50BMG and the 20mm.

[Giant ambush beetle]

So the Jerries really did have Anti-Materiel rifles, they sure were ahead of their time.

Germans had anti materiel rifles in world war one. 

 

 

[Dr.Fumbles]

 
Each of those calibers fill a role the others don't so you can't say ''I'd rather pick caliber XYZ over the others'' because the choice depends on the satiation you're in. Are you a sniper who takes out light machine gun units and insurgents in a dynamic quickly changing battlefield? That's what the .338 has been designed for.
Do you want to take out high value targets like grounded airplanes, or shoot vehicles &  lightly armored vehicles from a defensive position? That's the job for the 50BMG and the 20mm.

 

I understand that. Preferrence wise, I would go .338. Also, we are talking more formal war. I was talking about more in the mountains militia fighting. I am also looking at it from a civilian perspective as well. Am I going to afford those 20mm rounds? Hell no, so why would I buy something like that.

[Cknarf]

So the Jerries really did have Anti-Materiel rifles, they sure were ahead of their time.

 

The Germans seemed to have all the neat stuff.

 

  

 I always thought their WWII uniforms were pretty slick too.

 

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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

 I always thought their WWII uniforms were pretty slick too.

 

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WW2 German uniforms were boss. Russian and Japanese ones weren't bad.

But American uniforms were like sacks! lol

[Giant ambush beetle]

Russian had a few cool toys too though. They had the best sub machine gun of that time: 
 


And also a very slick semi auto rifle, the SVT-40

 

 

[Dr.Fumbles]

Russian had a few cool toys too though. They had the best sub machine gun of that time: 
 


And also a very good semi auto rifle, the SVT-40

 

 

 

I wouldn't mind owning the last one.

[Fidite Nemini]

WW2 German uniforms were boss.

 

Hugo Boss to be precise. Well, he didn't design the uniforms, just produce them - but eh, pun is pun, aye?

 

Then again, I'm not sure if that applies to the military uniforms and not just the SS and party uniforms. Someone with better knowledge should feel free to correct if I'm wrong.

[Cknarf]

And also a very slick semi auto rifle, the SVT-40

 

 

 

 

Saw one in person at the last gun show...

 

$2200!

 

They're very rare in the states, but rather common, and crazy affordable in Canada.

[God]

Meh, give me an M1, and I'd go to town on all of you.

 

Then again, I suspect my success would be for other reasons.

[Dr.Fumbles]

Meh, give me an M1, and I'd go to town on all of you.

 

Then again, I suspect my success would be for other reasons.

 

Yeah, that wouldn't be a fair fight.

[General TSAR]

Russian had a few cool toys too though. They had the best sub machine gun of that time: 
 


And also a very slick semi auto rifle, the SVT-40

 

 

All my money, ALL OF IT.

 

(Though the banana magazine is atrocious, drum magazines FTFW)

 

Speaking of gorgeous antiques.....