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#201
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We would utterly annihilate our own civilians in minutes. You really think the peashooters that civilians have can stand up to the military? I don't think you understand the nuances of modern warfare and just how advanced we really our as a military. And you willfully denied the use of air, ass, and navy gunfire to make it seem 'more equal'. I assure you, it is not more equal.


One thing to note is that in any situation that saw an actual open armed revolt, you would probably see splits in the military and the state-level National Guards. After all, it is one thing to fight fanatics in a foreign land, it is another to fight rebels, who may have grievances that you agree with, in your homeland.

But again, we're rather off-topic.

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The thing that keeps most countries from using nukes is the threat of mutually-assured destruction.

Radical Islamic terrorists, however, don't care if the entire world burns, because they thinks they'll go to heaven if they sacrifice themselves to kill infidels.

And Iran is a huge state sponsor of terrorism.

 

Iran is a puppet state of Russia and their pal Syria. I have little to no doubt that this Iran nuclear stuff is being puppet mastered by Putin. 

 

Russia is already going to give Iran Surface to Air Missle technology that can repel American/NATO fighers and bombers. It made the news a few day's ago. We got mad about it, but Russia just laughed at us in our face. 

 

 

They know we are weak. Militarily, economically, diplomatically and our leadership at the top levels is lacking. Putin can smell the blood in the water. 

 

Bush and his whack job polices have killed our soft power influences in the world. And Obama's lack of resolve and follow through and his lack of being able to unify with any competence the GOP and Democratic parties has made us even more of a paper tiger. 

 

We are a nation divided. And Putin can tell. He's going to continue to make a run for the top spot. The middle east is just one sector that he's trying to meddle in. 

 

Just yesterday he was fvcking with the Brits with airspace violations. 

 

He's got Syria and Iran in his back pocket. His goal is the Straight of Hormuz and control of the oil transport.

 

This is all Russia's doing. They're trying to become a super power again. And the pvssie Euros and the incompetent Americans are just letting them do it. 



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Now there's something I agree with. America needs to get its act together.

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And Iran is a huge state sponsor of terrorism.

 

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that no one involved in the Middle East is particularly innocent of that crime.

 

Not to say that it's acceptable by any means.



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I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that no one involved in the Middle East is particularly innocent of that crime.

Israel?

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One thing to note is that in any situation that saw an actual open armed revolt, you would probably see splits in the military and the state-level National Guards. After all, it is one thing to fight fanatics in a foreign land, it is another to fight rebels, who may have grievances that you agree with, in your homeland.

But again, we're rather off-topic.

 

Indeed, but I'm talking that say, pound for pound, all members of the U.S. military in any capacity (including the National Guard components, which are much more militarized these days, trust me) would definitely outfight the entire population of the United States.



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Israel?

 

That's debatable.



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Israel?

 

I wasn't thinking that. I was thinking of a lovely bunch of chums who got their hands on weapons and supplies we (as in the US) gave them. And that lovely bunch is ripping Iraq a new one as we speak.

 

There's also that one group of communist (I think) extremists in Iran that we had purposefully removed from the terrorist list just so that we could coordinate with them.



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Ahhhh...the 30mm gattling goodness from the heavens.

 

Observe, a video of mine on US Military Video's.

 


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Guy's, I get all the Russian love: They seem cool and badass, but realistically, they're basically ruined.

 

Hell, the sanctions the EU put on the Russians alone has almost destroyed the credibility of the Ruble. They're economically trashed. Putin is whack if he thinks he can remake the Soviet Union.

 

Russia is in even worse shape than Britain was in 1992. With a clapped-out manufacturing sector, it is too dependent on its massive stocks of oil and gas at a time when the price of oil is falling through the floor.

 

A barrel of Brent crude oil was trading at below $60 a barrel at one point in December, compared with a recent peak of $115 in the summer of 2014.

 

The west knows all about the vulnerability of Russia’s economy, its creaking factories and its over-reliance on the energy sector. When the introduction of sanctions from the EU over Russia’s support for the separatists in Ukraine failed to bring Vladimir Put to heel, the US and Saudi Arabia decided to hurt Russia by driving down oil prices. Both countries will face some collateral damage as a result – and this could be considerable in the case of the US shale sector – but both were prepared to take the risk on the grounds that Russia would suffer much more pain. This has proved to be true.

 

Now for the good (or perhaps less bad) news. Eventually, lower oil prices mean stronger global growth, because consumers will have more money to spend and businesses will have more spare cash to invest. At that point, the price of oil will rise and the ruble with it.

 

Even so, Russia looks vulnerable. It has reached the end of the road with interest rate increases and has only two options: to allow the ruble to find its own level, in the hope that declining oil prices will prove temporary or to introduce capital controls. These are seen very much as a last resort by Moscow, but may prove necessary if the ruble rout continues.

 

The phrase “perfect storm” is over-used, but the combination of a collapsing currency, a collapsing economy and punitive interest rates make it apposite. The question now is how Putin responds. If he softens his line over Ukraine, the west’s gamble will have paid off and it will be mission accomplished. But there are hardliners in Moscow who will argue that the response to the crisis should be a siege economy and the ratcheting up of military pressure on Ukraine. If economic agony makes a wounded Russian bear more belligerent, it will prove a hollow victory.

 

Over the past few months critics have warned that Russian President Vladimir Putin is a cunning strategist and the mastermind of a dangerous new foreign policy. He is playing the long game, they say, making moves in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine as part of a program to undermine the post-Cold War order while western leaders scramble without purpose. These fears are unwarranted. Putin may be a ruthless commander, but he is a second-rate strategist. 

 

Russia has become more enthusiastic about using proxy fighters, voicing rhetorical support for their politics while disclaiming responsibility for their actions. Russian leaders may believe that this allows them to destabilize unfriendly governments while maintaining enough plausible deniability to avoid the consequences. Some analysts believe this is part of a broader shift toward “non-linear war,” which involves indirect methods of expanding Russian influence. They worry this is a ruthless but effective way for Russia to paper over its conventional military weakness, especially since the United States appears to be unwilling to respond in kind. Putin is a former KGB officer, after all. President Obama is a former law professor.

 

In fact, non-linear war is not a brilliant reconceptualization of strategy. It’s an old-fashioned trick: the use of armed groups to stir unrest in neighboring countries as a way of gaining strategic depth.

 

The undisputed champion of this approach is Pakistan, which has used militants for most of its history. Pakistan has cultivated groups in India, Kashmir and Afghanistan in large part to overcome its military weaknesses. Supporting proxies might have seemed like a good idea, given Pakistan’s security problems, but the results have been disastrous. The belief that armed groups could solve its security problem may have encouraged military leaders to indulge in corruption rather than building a more professional force. The decision to nurture groups that engage in terrorism has led to international scorn and opprobrium. Worst of all, some of the same groups that Pakistan helped create are now waging an insurgency against it.

 

As I said, Russia is also suffering for its intervention-by-proxy in Ukraine. Its economy has been in deep distress since the annexation of Crimea this spring, with tens of billions of dollars exiting the country during a stock market and currency crisis. U.S.-led sanctions have worsened Russia’s economic outlook, as investors fear returning to a country that increasingly looks like an international pariah. Washington announced tougher sanctions the day before the MH17 flight went down, and it is now likely that these will remain in place indefinitely. The Obama administration may go further still by enacting industry-wide sanctions, a serious escalation that it has so far avoided.

 

Nonetheless, policy analysts still worry that Putin is eroding the post-Cold War order, and military analysts still warn that the west is unprepared for Russia’s new way of war. Both concerns are mistaken. Putin’s grand strategy is proving to be a dismal failure, and his high-risk strategy in Ukraine is only making things worse.

 

And militarily? Are you serious? There's no one on this Earth that can stand up to the United States military. Period.

 

Up to, and including the rest of the world.


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Let's get this thread back on the tracks please. Talking politics is just going to get this slice of heaven closed. 

 

 

My favorite vid for obvious reasons, does anyone here have hunting experience with the Mosin-Nagant?


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Agreed, guns are glorious and it was an offense that I didn't see a thread like this around. Let's keep the thread on track please.



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We would utterly annihilate our own civilians in minutes. You really think the peashooters that civilians have can stand up to the military? I don't think you understand the nuances of modern warfare and just how advanced we really our as a military. And you willfully denied the use of air, ass, and navy gunfire to make it seem 'more equal'. I assure you, it is not more equal. 

 

The US military most definitely could annihilate the civilian population, the question is, would they? I just can't see our guys, especially those who signed up post 9/11 feeling hella patriotic and all kinds of pissed off, turning on the people of the country that they're sworn to defend.

 

If things get bad enough in the US that masses of civilians are taking up arms against the government, I'd hope that a good portion of our warriors would be like 'Yeah... f*** this." and do the same.

 

Not that things are anywhere near that bad in the states.  Yeah, there's some things that politicians do that I disagree with...

 

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Among other things, but I've never felt the need to be like: "Guys. We should revolt. *insert T. Jefferson quote about trees and liberty or something.* Like, right now."



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should i defend myself with a gun...? i dont need one in germany.

Guns and a well trained dog are your best defenses my friend, along with knowledge and training. You never know when you need one. The future is uncertain. 

Better to be safe than sorry...

 

 

Anyway, 

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And let's stop with the political debates, that would give someone the chance to hit "report thread," and give them a legit excuse to shut it down. I know of hippies that want to see this thread closed.

 

End of discussion and get the thread back on track before it gets closed. I know it's coming already.  



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Let's get this thread back on the tracks please. Talking politics is just going to get this slice of heaven closed. 

 

 

My favorite vid for obvious reasons, does anyone here have hunting experience with the Mosin-Nagant?

 

You're right guys...

 

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Anyways, despite owning two, I have no experience hunting anything with the 91/30 (or anything else).  Although I did shoot this old toilet once... best range trip ever.

 

If for any reason, Illinois decides to allow rifles for deer hunting, you can bet my first time is going to be with a Mosin Nagant.  

 

7.62x54r is more than enough for deer,



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lol, who are you talking about. 

 

 

ISIS??? You really think ISIS is gonna get a nuke.... Man. I mean, if you do, well.... I guess, that's a nice thought. 

 

 

I assume you're thinking about Iran. In that case, why would it matter. Really....Pakistan has nukes. Lots of them. And they hate the fvck out of the Jews and our western values and yet....... No boom boom from Pakistan Nukes. Tons, tons of Terrorists there in Pakistan. And yet... No Nuclear attack from them. 

 

 

Gee, I wonder why. 

 

 

Could it have to do with $$$$$. It just might, lol. 

 

They don't do anything cause the US is essentially bribing their highly corrupt and unethical black ops and intelligence service not to fight the US.

 

But what happens when the money stops flowing? I'd start really worrying about that. Forget the whole US thing even, Im worried what they'll do to India once they don't have any incentive not to try something stupid and have an influx on suicide bombers willing to blow themselves up for a cause in their nation.



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My brother gave me a finnicized Mosin Nagant. We went to the range so I could shoot it. The very first shot hurt my shoulder and was amazingly loud. Fire shot out of the barrel at least a foot. I had to hit the bolt hard (and really needed a mallet) to eject the round and reload.

 

I still have it and shoot it at least once a year even though it has a heck of a recoil. We have a rest for it and that helps. I have a shoulder pad and that helps.

 

Why do I keep it, you ask?

 

It spits fire out the front for at least a foot. How cool is that?

 

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mosin-nagant-m38-dated-1943-in-a-laminat

 

*sigh*

 

If only that was still possible.  You're looking at about $750 minimum these days...

 

Edit to add:

 

Fireballs you say?

 

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#220
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Ayne ever fire an Fn Fal or H&K G3? I'm curious which folks think are better? 



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Ayne ever fire an Fn Fal or H&K G3? I'm curious which folks think are better?

I've only ever fired a FAL (well technically it was an L1A1 SLR but they're pretty much the same thing.) and my impressions were that they were fairly heavy for a rifle that was used as the main rifle of many armies for years, not BAR level heavy but still has some heft to it. The 7.62 rounds have quite a kick to them but the weight of the weapon helps reduce recoil a lot and actually makes it manageable.

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If for any reason, Illinois decides to allow rifles for deer hunting, you can bet my first time is going to be with a Mosin Nagant.  

 

Mind clarifying?

 

I live in Illinois too (yay for corruption!).

 

 

My brother gave me a finnicized Mosin Nagant. We went to the range so I could shoot it. The very first shot hurt my shoulder and was amazingly loud. Fire shot out of the barrel at least a foot. I had to hit the bolt hard (and really needed a mallet) to eject the round and reload.

 

I still have it and shoot it at least once a year even though it has a heck of a recoil. We have a rest for it and that helps. I have a shoulder pad and that helps.

 

Why do I keep it, you ask?

 

It spits fire out the front for at least a foot. How cool is that?

 

<3

Thanks for the input, so beware of the kick.



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Classy.

 

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Classy.

 

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Wooden furniture is so good looking.


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Mind clarifying?

 

I live in Illinois too (yay for corruption!).

 

Yeah, I figured. Saw your post about the FOID lol.

 

We can't use centerfire rifles for deer, for some odd reason. I really have no idea why, but here's this, if you wanna take a look at it.

 

Edit to add: I agree 100% about the wood. I don't think I own a rifle without proper wood furniture.

 

I might pick up something like this for my AR build...

 

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