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[9TailsFox]

My canon Warden is Dwarvan Male Noble. My canon Inquisitor is a Male Qunari. Last thing I want to play is as another generic human. At the end of the day no matter how interesting you make their background. The player is still playing as a human.

 

I hope the next ME game take some notes and let us choose from a few other races. I am not getting my hopes up though. It would be awesome to play as a Turian,Salarian,Quarian,Asari or a Krogan. I am glad the DA series let you play as other races. It up the replay value a lot.

You have problem playing generic human, but no problem playing generic dwarf short bearded human, and troll big grey human with horns.

[Squeets]

I agree with OP.

 

The example of Mass Effect was a good one... The entire story is all the more compelling because it is built around one thing... A human from the Systems Alliance named Sheppard and nothing else.  They don't have to compromise the dialogue in certain situations to make your class or race fit because all of the classes are combat specialties of the military and a human is all you can be... All of it makes sense in every encounter.

 

In DAI, the story is just made weaker by the inclusion of multiple races and classes, especially elves and mages.  Unless they completely rewrite the entire dialogue of the game and, in essence, just create a whole different game for each class/race... The whole thing just becomes weak.  Yes there are a few lines of dialogue here and there where someone shows their disdain for you being an elven mage... But such occurrences are both few and far between and have little to no impact on the game.  Which is silly because every other encounter with elven mages shows them to be heavily persecuted, yet you talk everyone just fine apart the few (very few) who go "ewww an elven mage" and then talk to you the same as if you were a human noble right after... Because they have no choice, they have to make every class/race work for every situation otherwise the game would be a fragmented mess.

[The_Shade]

For one, silent protagonists are a dead archetype. Thankfully, it seems BioWare has finally come to this conclusion and discarded any chance of ever having a dumbfounded main character awkwardly staring at everybody else while they talk for 50 hours.

 

Secondly, multi-race selection with multiple backgrounds is bad for game development and storytelling. When there are so many variables and possibilities to consider, it dilutes and cheapens the overall story. The reason Shepard's story and even Hawke's story were so engaging is because they were more defined. However, in that definition, we also had more flexibility to shape their personality.

 

You can't do that with a silent protagonist or a main character who can be four different races with a dozen different backgrounds. There's just too many variables and not enough defined points. Giving players more choice and freedom negatively impacts the overall game and the story BioWare can create.

 

Thus, I believe the next protagonist in DA4 needs to be more akin to Shepard/Hawke and less so to the Inquisitor/HoF.

 

Best post I have read on the Bioware forums in ages. Glad I found it. 

[Ieldra]

I couldn't disagree more with the OP. Defined characters adversely affect the players' ability to envision and make their own characters. The consequence is that things turn out ok for those players who would've made a character similar to the pre-defined one, while players with other preferences will hate it.

I could live with Hawke but always regretted the limited way I could characterize them, but if I never see another Shepard-like protagonist, it will be too soon.

Meanwhile, my main Warden and my main Inquisitor are my favorite protagonists in games.

A more defined protagonist is exactly what the next DA game does NOT need.

[yoomazir]

You have problem playing generic human, but no problem playing generic dwarf short bearded human, and troll big grey human with horns.

He doesn't and neither am I, but if you want to keep playing another version of the black hair/beard white male that is sooo common in videogames, hey, who am I to stop you, right?

[9TailsFox]

He doesn't and neither am I, but if you want to keep playing another version of the black hair/beard white male that is sooo common in videogames, hey, who am I to stop you, right?

I prefer to play yes dark hair and dark blue skinned Chiss is my favourite race. If I can play as Chiss I happy but if not i still happy no mater what I play. Even boring Inquisitor fine. We talking about more set character so for Inquisition should be only one race elf, and best female for Solas romance.

[duckley]

I like he idea of having a set character if it is part of series of rpgs like The Witcher series, Uncharted, Mass Effect. To see that character grow, change, mature as a result of their experience is really terrific and it when each new game comes out, its like seeing an old friend.TW and ME give you some ability to mold the protagonists personality as well which is a nice touch.

 

I still also like he idea of one shot rpgs set in a world - like DA where you can create your own character. I am glad both types of gaming experiences are available.

[Majestic Jazz]

Actually DAI was supposed to be human only but people complained that it was going to be another DA2 do they delayed the game and added other races.

As a result, the game still felt like it was designed to be played as a human. Playing as an elf is okay, but it is clear that Human Noble/Mage is the default choice for the game.

ME:A will be human only and it will be interesting to see how better the story experience is because of that.

[dsl08002]

I found the inquisitor very bland and apathatic. I found that hawke was a better character even though he wasnt "my" character. But none of them could compete with the warden. The problem is and still stand by it : is that right now there is not a good thing to have too many main characters in the DA universe. personally in hindsight i wouldnt object of having hawke as inquisitor.

[Tremere]

I found the inquisitor very bland and apathatic. I found that hawke was a better character even though he wasnt "my" character. But none of them could compete with the warden. The problem is and still stand by it : is that right now there is not a good thing to have too many main characters in the DA universe. personally in hindsight "i wouldnt object of having hawke as inquisitor".

I don't know why they didn't go this route to begin with. It seemed the most logical and compelling path to take, given how DA2 began and ended.

[AresKeith]

I don't know why they didn't go this route to begin with. It seemed the most logical and compelling path to take, given how DA2 began and ended.

 

Because they already stated that every game was gonna have a new protagonist, the cancelled DA2 expansion was gonna continue Hawke 

[Toasted Llama]

Can it be considered a necro when the last post before the necro was 1-2 months earlier?

 

 

If yes, then: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Game necromancy is good, forum necromancy is bad.

[AresKeith]

It doesn't look like they originally wrote it that way.

 

Hawke was billed as the most "important person in Thedas" in their blurbs. And Flemeth had all of those lines about Destiny.

 

Kind of pointless to build up a character with that much hype and just make their ultimate destiny being a minor sideshow like they've become.

 

And the expansion specifically had Flemeth and the Well of Sorrows in it. They recycled it for this game.

 

And they said that they added parts of the expansion into Inquisition because of it's plot importance 

 

The expansion was gonna be the thing that somehow made Hawke "the most important person in Thedas" even though I never took that statement with a grain of salt 

[AresKeith]

I did..but to each their own. 

 

In any case, if someone wrote, say, a comic book hero story like this... where you built up their origin story and had all the usual "destiny" themes..... and then just dropped it and replaced it with some dude that had nothing to do with anything.... 

 

Well, that comic would be odd and confusing. I'll say that.

 

Imagine if Batman Begins ends... and then the next movie is just about some random dude becoming Robin and Batman slinks into the background. That's what this comes off like to me. And not only that, he fights Batman's villain (Joker). Kind of like you fight Cory.

 

The Batman example isn't really a good comparison to this though 

[AresKeith]

Why not? DA2 is an origin story. That's all I meant.

 

It could be any comic book character though... they all have origin stories. And that's all my point is. You don't tell an origin story and then just randomly go in an entirely different direction later. It's purpose is to set up an ongoing story of the hero.

 

Guess it depends for some people, because DA2 didn't feel like an Origins story. If anything what I got from DA2 was Hawke always getting caught in the middle

[AresKeith]

The "origin story" is about an immigrant seeking a better life for their family, and how they got more than they bargained for. The details are up to us, of course.. but it's all about starting small. And slowly building the narrative up over a period of years. It doesn't follow the "epic"/high fantasy formula, where you're just marked by fate or blessed somehow.

 

That's the thing though, what you see as an origin's story I saw as a "Rags to riches/fame" kind of story with it's own spin on it

[Tremere]

That's the thing though, what you see as an origin's story I saw as a "Rags to riches/fame" kind of story with it's own spin on it

Perhaps, if you choose to ignore how the narrative started. It seemed from the very beginning (Cassandra's interrogation of Varric) that Hawke was the catalyst/protagonist of events that came after his time in Kirkwall. Clearly Cassandra was seeking him for some reason other than the fact that he rose from a no-account immigrant to... Well, whatever he became. In any event from my perspective, it seemed that the narrative was inclined towards something more than a rags to riches tale. 

[Tremere]

Because they already stated that every game was gonna have a new protagonist, the cancelled DA2 expansion was gonna continue Hawke 

But clearly there was nothing that couldn't be changed if they really wanted to. I think they were still smarting from the DA2 backlash, which I can imagine made them apprehensive about associating anything with it to DA-Inquisition. I just think that if they had a viable story... Which we can't really know for certain, they should have stuck with it. I mean, I understand the idea of catering to fans to some degree, but I think they were too busy trying not to fail.

[AresKeith]

Perhaps, if you choose to ignore how the narrative started. It seemed from the very beginning (Cassandra's interrogation of Varric) that Hawke was the catalyst/protagonist of events that came after his time in Kirkwall. Clearly Cassandra was seeking him for some reason other than the fact that he rose from a no-account immigrant to... Well, whatever he became. In any event from my perspective, it seemed that the narrative was inclined towards something more than a rags to riches tale.

That's how it started until we learned what really happened