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[sylvanaerie]

Seducing is one thing. The "begging you to break up with her because actually loving someone freaking terrifies her" thing she does in a romance is something else entirely. I can't imagine her being able to ACT that, if even just for the fact that the begging makes her look weak and I don't think her pride could handle looking that pathetic to me on purpose. And she didn't tell me because of the distrust that has been ingrained into her since birth by her mother, because she didn't trust that I would trust her if she told me (that's kinda roundabout).

 

On an off topic note, I think I might leave my comfort zone. Every rogue I've ever done has been strength based and has been assassin-duelist. But I'm thinking of doing a cunning rogue for once and doing assassin-bard instead because I've realized that a minor extra 10 attack and 10 defense as a sustained mode really isn't that... Good. I'm rather apprehensive, no Maker's Sighs in DAO means no respec if I don't like the way I turned out.

 

I take it you don't play on PC?  There is a respec mod if you do.  If on console, of course, that doesn't help.  My rogues are all dex/cunning based.  Never tried a strength one.

[andy6915]

I take it you don't play on PC?  There is a respec mod if you do.  If on console, of course, that doesn't help.  My rogues are all dex/cunning based.  Never tried a strength one.

 

Console, no ability at all to even try to play a PC version. My computer can't even smoothly play a youtube video at 720p.

 

All my rogues have been able to wear the heaviest, most strength-required armors in the game, usually having 45 or so strength by the end (that's with equipment that adds some attribute points, not sure what my raw strength attribute usually was). Cunning was usually only in the low 20's just high enough for certain skills and talents. My rogues were usually wearing Cailian's dragonbone-tier armor by mid-game. I've decided I don't like that from a lore and roleplay perspective though since it makes no sense, so I'm trying to stick to either light or medium armors. Being stealthy and all dextrous while wearing heavy plate armor is just... Wrong. So I'm trying to make my rogue more rogue-y than all my previous ones, which is why I'm thinking of going cunning instead now.

[Dutchess]

You could have a look here for builds: 

 

The axe/dagger cun build was great for me.

 

AXE/DAGGER CUN

 

This rogue will have pre-gear stats of: http://forum.bioware...for-a-dw-rogue/

 

Str: 15 + 11 = 26 (to wear Warden Commander's Armor ASAP; our gear will help us meet the str req for Veshialle.)

Dex: 21 + 9 = 30

Cun: 20 + 40 = 60

 

* Mainhand: Veshialle (9.6 base damage, 4.2 AP, +2 str, +10% crit damage, +2 nature damage)

* Offhand: Rose's Thorn (6.4 dam., 8 AP, +30% crit damage, +3 damage, +2 dex)

* Helm: Helm of Honnleath (+2 str, +2 dex +2 cun)

* Chest: Warden Commander's Armor (+15% crit damage)

* Gloves: Red Jenny Seekers (+15% crit. damage)

* Boots: nothing improves DPS

* Belt: Andruil's Blessing (+2 str, +2 dex, +2 cun)

* Amulet: Heart of Witherfang (+1 str)

* Ring: Key to the City (+2 str, +2 dex, +2 cun)

* Ring: Dusk Ring (+3 cun, -1 str)

[andy6915]

Ugh... That's awful. They don't have Andrui's Blessing, Spellward, and Lifegiver all on the same character? Weeeaaak. Warden's commander armor? No, no massive armor this time. An axe for the main hand? Axes are boring and plain. Only thing to like on the is them at least putting Andrui's Blessing on there and the glove choice. I might accept the helmet choice, even though it is heavy (and only because a helmet wouldn't actually slow you down like a heavy chestpiece).

 

I'm now at a crossroad. I have a red steel sword and 2 red steel daggers. I'm not strong enough to put the sword on, but I have a level up right now and I could get up to enough strength with the attribute points for strength. So I need to decide now: Stop putting points into strength now and rely on daggers only from here (since most swords will need to much strength from tier 5-onward) on and use lethality in place of it, or possible waste the points to put that red steel dagger on and continue that road to make sure I can eventually put a dragonbone sword on. That, and I was thinking of using Wade's Superior version of the medium dragonscale armor which will need 34 strength. So basically, sword+dagger combinations from here on and medium dragonbone armor as my main armor, or dagger+dagger combinations from here and stick to light armor and use Felon's Coat as my main armor. I'm stuck right now, I have this level up blinking at me but I can't decide what to do. Haven't decided which to get first between bard and assassin either.

[andy6915]

It's worth noting that I might be able to raise strength A LOT with equipment. Andrui's Blessing, Lloyd's magic ring, harvest festival ring, helm of Honnleath, Veshialle=10 extra strength, without counting the extra 4 strength from the Fade. Hm... Considering that, I can get an extra 14 strength for NOTHING. Guess I'll just hold off on that sword, save my attribute points for better things. I already have about 21 strength, which means I can get to 35 strength without wasting a single attribute point. Guess my crossroad is decided now. I have enough freebies to not need to waste attribute points for equipment sake, other equipment will set me up on that front.

 

Don't ask why I have a weird number like 21 for strength when I should have stopped at 20 for drakeskin. I don't know why I have 21 instead of 20 . No matter, I'll just duplicate an attribute tome to give me an extra point I shouldn't get to put that wasted point into a stat I'll actually need.

 

This still doesn't answer if I want to use sword+dagger or dagger+dagger though. Guess it won't matter since lethality will make sure my damage scales with cunning instead of strength, meaning strength is ONLY needed for equipment. And as I showed above, I'll be fine on that front without putting in a single extra attribute into strength from here.

[andy6915]

I think I've chosen Morrigan. I hit a romance choice when I said she could probe me anytime, and I picked it knowing that choice was a romance one. I just can't see Leliana matching him. I might change my mind later (and her begging to break it off will even make a VERY easy roleplay reason for why if I do), but for now... I'm locked into her romance.

 

I could hit the sex with her quickly from here, but I'm stretching things out. I'll hold off on getting more approval from her, because getting anymore initiates it. I'd prefer to let the romance not feel rushed into. I didn't give her a single gift, I just perfectly hit every single line of dialogue to give approval.

[andy6915]

And now I'm unsure. I've now said romance initiating dialogue to both of them, and seem to be on the path of romance for both. When it comes time to choose when they make me, this will get tricky. I don't know who I'll pick.

[andy6915]

It is now final and official: Leliana was chosen.

[sylvanaerie]

I think I've chosen Morrigan. I hit a romance choice when I said she could probe me anytime, and I picked it knowing that choice was a romance one. I just can't see Leliana matching him. I might change my mind later (and her begging to break it off will even make a VERY easy roleplay reason for why if I do), but for now... I'm locked into her romance.

 

I could hit the sex with her quickly from here, but I'm stretching things out. I'll hold off on getting more approval from her, because getting anymore initiates it. I'd prefer to let the romance not feel rushed into. I didn't give her a single gift, I just perfectly hit every single line of dialogue to give approval.

 

 

And now I'm unsure. I've now said romance initiating dialogue to both of them, and seem to be on the path of romance for both. When it comes time to choose when they make me, this will get tricky. I don't know who I'll pick.

 

 

It is now final and official: Leliana was chosen.

 

It's been that way for me at times too.  Sometimes you intend one thing and go somewhere you never thought you would.  I've had both at "interested" and that was intentional since I was going for the additional banters, but when the time came to break it off, Morrigan looks so relieved to cut off the love affair where Leliana was brokenhearted.  I just didn't have it in me to dump the tenderhearted one.  

 

TBH I kind of prefer Morrigan as one of those "missed opportunity" things since her dialogue if you don't sleep with her and reach 'friend' status as a male--ie do her companion quest--is so moving to me.  My male's have done the DR but a couple of them only did it to save their lives, not because they had feelings (beyond friendship) for her.

[andy6915]

It's been that way for me at times too.  Sometimes you intend one thing and go somewhere you never thought you would.  I've had both at "interested" and that was intentional since I was going for the additional banters, but when the time came to break it off, Morrigan looks so relieved to cut off the love affair where Leliana was brokenhearted.  I just didn't have it in me to dump the tenderhearted one.  

 

TBH I kind of prefer Morrigan as one of those "missed opportunity" things since her dialogue if you don't sleep with her and reach 'friend' status as a male--ie do her companion quest--is so moving to me.  My male's have done the DR but a couple of them only did it to save their lives, not because they had feelings (beyond friendship) for her.

 

It's like Varric says: a good story was always there, you just needed to find it. My mind told me Morrigan, but somehow the story itself and my own character old me Leliana. I can't explain it, it just kind of... Happened. And honestly it feels right for this character in some way I can't explain, almost natural or organic the way it played out. I haven't romanced Leliana in several playthroughs, but this warden seems to go well with her despite their differences.

[andy6915]

You know, I think I did just remember part of why I went with Leliana. They're both bards. I picked bard as my first specialization, so it just made sense for a romance. Think about it, them training together every night in camp with some definite sexual tension between them. Seems like it would form a bond. Not to mention I liked them being able to wordlessly work together in combat through bardic signs and non-verbal ques, seemed like that would work well in a romance.

 

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Bard

 

"Bardic combat involves a form of hand signals for communication in battle. Tapping one's bow with a little finger, for example, indicates from one bard to another that the enemy should be lured closer. Another gesture might indicate "not yet" in terms of battle strategy."

 

 

Although, again, it all happened in a rather unplanned way. But when I stumbled on that when deciding to pick bard for the first time, I did think it sounded kind of fitting for romance. Normally I like my romance to be a different class so that I don't have overlap in bringing my romanced character with me everywhere, but it's fine. We're both rogues, but she being an archer and me being a dual wielding means that we don't actually overlap each other's combat role much at all.

[Riven326]

I really could not get over the idea of a dwarf romancing a human. It just seems so out of place.

[andy6915]

I really could not get over the idea of a dwarf romancing a human. It just seems so out of place.

You can't? Humans have long divine legs and breasts that are much fuller and larger than any dwarven woman's could ever be. When all you've ever seen is dwarven boobs, seeing human ones for the first time is like witnessing a miracle. All you've ever been used to is smaller ones that have a horizontal shape to them, and human ones are instead quite bigger and don't jut out like dwarven ones do. And if you like legs as a dwarf, humans have all the leg you could ever hope for.

 

I suppose a human woman wouldn't be as great if your Warden is an ass person instead of a boob person, since dwarven women have an ass as impressive as a human woman's chest. Depending on what you go more for will determine which race your dwarf is more attracted to. Mine is a boob guy, so he definitely finds human women to be quite nice to look at. He doesn't care for elves though, he finds them to be too skinny and twig-like. And they don't have the ass of dwarven women or the boobs of human women and their legs aren't that impressive to him, so he kinda has the same reaction to elven women that a typical person does to a child or preteen... Which is to say that he just find them to be utterly lacking in any sex appeal. That's different from me, I quite like elven women on an attraction level. But my character isn't me, so I'm free to roleplay his sexual interests as different from my own.

[Riven326]

You can't? Humans have long divine legs and breasts that are much fuller and larger than any dwarven woman's could ever be. When all you've ever seen is dwarven boobs, seeing human ones for the first time is like witnessing a miracle. All you've ever been used to is smaller ones that have a horizontal shape to them, and human ones are instead quite bigger and don't jut out like dwarven ones do. And if you like legs as a dwarf, humans have all the leg you could ever hope for.

 

I suppose a human woman wouldn't be as great if your Warden is an ass person instead of a boob person, since dwarven women have an ass as impressive as a human woman's chest. Depending on what you go more for will determine which race your dwarf is more attracted to. Mine is a boob guy, so he definitely finds human women to be quite nice to look at. He doesn't care for elves though, he finds them to be too skinny and twig-like. And they don't have the ass of dwarven women or the boobs of human women and their legs aren't that impressive to him, so he kinda has the same reaction to elven women that a typical person does to a child or preteen... Which is to say that he just find them to be utterly lacking in any sex appeal. That's different from me, I quite like elven women on an attraction level. But my character isn't me, so I'm free to roleplay his sexual interests as different from my own.

It really just comes down to the height difference for me.

[andy6915]

It really just comes down to the height difference for me.

 

So a 5 foot or 4'10 guy having sex with a woman who's 5'8 or 5'9 is hard to picture for you? Uh...

[Riven326]

So a 5 foot or 4'10 guy having sex with a woman who's 5'8 or 5'9 is hard to picture for you? Uh...

Hmm... it could be the way the game scales characters in the romance scenes. It looks okay with humans and elves, but dwarves look really odd in those scenes.

[sylvanaerie]

I get it. I romanced Alistair on my DC and DN (fully intended to do Zevran, but I never can make it past Ostagar before I'm sucked in by Steve Valentine).  The scenes with a dwarf are just...odd with humans, like suddenly this person who was waist high is now eye to eye with the human. There isn't a sawed off tree stump or rock, or even the image of the human bending over to kiss near the scene to explain why the dwarf is eye's high to a human.  But Zev is so 'friend-zoned' to me, I just can't romance him.

 

As to proportions, I thought dwarven women had breasts similar to human women, and round butts, but the humans definitely have the gams.

 

And I get what you mean about characters kind of taking over and making their own voice in a story, even a narrative as tight as DA with it's open choices you may intend one thing, and suddenly find 'this doesn't fit right' or 'this just doesn't work' or 'I just can't see my character doing this', like these little pixel people have a life of their own outside what was intended for them and make 'their' choices known to you.

[andy6915]

I get it. I romanced Alistair on my DC and DN (fully intended to do Zevran, but I never can make it past Ostagar before I'm sucked in by Steve Valentine).  The scenes with a dwarf are just...odd with humans, like suddenly this person who was waist high is now eye to eye with the human. There isn't a sawed off tree stump or rock, or even the image of the human bending over to kiss near the scene to explain why the dwarf is eye's high to a human.  But Zev is so 'friend-zoned' to me, I just can't romance him.

 

As to proportions, I thought dwarven women had breasts similar to human women, and round butts, but the humans definitely have the gams.

 

And I get what you mean about characters kind of taking over and making their own voice in a story, even a narrative as tight as DA with it's open choices you may intend one thing, and suddenly find 'this doesn't fit right' or 'this just doesn't work' or 'I just can't see my character doing this', like these little pixel people have a life of their own outside what was intended for them and make 'their' choices known to you.

 

Oh, you both meant the romance scenes. I skip those. I've never once watched them. The ridiculous music, terrible animations, how crappy the "nude" bra and underwear models, the dry humping... It's unbearable. The romance scenes I can imagine in my head are much better than the garbage idea the game has of a romance scene.

 

Okay, I have watched the romance scene once. Someone on Youtube replaced Alistair in the dark ritual with a genlock . That was the one time I couldn't help but watch the romance scene play out. It was... Weird. And disturbing.

 

Anyway, I forgot how much I liked the Leliana romance. Definitely need to do that one more often. Next playthrough will be a city elf female, haven't done one in a while. Probably romance Zevran, something about him always meshes well with my city elf. Besides, the only other choice would be Leliana again since I only romance Alistair with female Cousland's and I don't want to romance the same character twice in a row.

[sylvanaerie]

Oh, you both meant the romance scenes. I skip those. I've never once watched them. The ridiculous music, terrible animations, how crappy the "nude" bra and underwear models, the dry humping... It's unbearable. The romance scenes I can imagine in my head are much better than the garbage idea the game has of a romance scene.

 

Okay, I have watched the romance scene once. Someone on Youtube replaced Alistair in the dark ritual with a genlock . That was the one time I couldn't help but watch the romance scene play out. It was... Weird. And disturbing.

 

Anyway, I forgot how much I liked the Leliana romance. Definitely need to do that one more often. Next playthrough will be a city elf female, haven't done one in a while. Probably romance Zevran, something about him always meshes well with my city elf. Besides, the only other choice would be Leliana again since I only romance Alistair with female Cousland's and I don't want to romance the same character twice in a row.

yea the woohoo scenes in the game are definitely cringe-worthy, for ANY race combination.  I much preferred DA2's take (and Inquisition for the couple times I've played it) to Origins' love scenes.  Isabela's disarmament happens to be my favorite scene so far in any of the games.  Intense making out (and tossing of daggers) then fade to black with none of that stupid 'sex with undies on' awkward animations crap, though the music is about as bad as the Enya Porn we're subjected to for Origins.  And in DAI, it's obvious they took off their clothes because you don't see awkward animations just some kissing, fade to black and someone's bare torso or butt afterward.

 

Of course, I've been using IRS Alistair and Leliana Romance Scenes mods for some time before I removed Origins, so that helps with the 'awkward' scenes, (and fixes Alistair's broken camp kiss).  I even tried the nude mod, but after doing RtO and seeing how 'happy' Cailan's corpse was to be strung up on that pole kind of killed any desire I had to keep that on my PC.

[andy6915]

yea the woohoo scenes in the game are definitely cringe-worthy, for ANY race combination.  I much preferred DA2's take (and Inquisition for the couple times I've played it) to Origins' love scenes.  Isabela's disarmament happens to be my favorite scene so far in any of the games.  Intense making out (and tossing of daggers) then fade to black with none of that stupid 'sex with undies on' awkward animations crap, though the music is about as bad as the Enya Porn we're subjected to for Origins.  And in DAI, it's obvious they took off their clothes because you don't see awkward animations just some kissing, fade to black and someone's bare torso or butt afterward.

 

Of course, I've been using IRS Alistair and Leliana Romance Scenes mods for some time before I removed Origins, so that helps with the 'awkward' scenes, (and fixes Alistair's broken camp kiss).  I even tried the nude mod, but after doing RtO and seeing how 'happy' Cailan's corpse was to be strung up on that pole kind of killed any desire I had to keep that on my PC.

 

You disliked the Isabella romance music? I liked it, the music completely fit her personality and even had the same kind of vibe to it that her theme music has.

 

Why didn't the mod have a flaccid mode for male non-romance nudity? That sounds really stupid. Jeez, does it make the female characters constantly leak lubrication fluid down their legs at all times too? Because that would make about as much sense as the guys standing at attention 24/7.

[sylvanaerie]

You disliked the Isabella romance music? I liked it, the music completely fit her personality and even had the same kind of vibe to it that her theme music has.

 

Why didn't the mod have a flaccid mode for male non-romance nudity? That sounds really stupid. Jeez, does it make the female characters constantly leak lubrication fluid down their legs at all times too? Because that would make about as much sense as the guys standing at attention 24/7.

The mod had various looks, from hairy to shaved  as well as 'excited' or nuetral but I'm essentially lazy.  It would have required keeping the 'unexcited' mode for most of the game, and removing it for the excited one for woohoo but I'd have forgotten, tbh.  I ended up pulling it altogether and keeping just the body build (which was actually pretty nice compared to vanilla) for male and female models with undies included.  In fact, I found some pretty underwear mods for ladies and preferred that.  I just liked to pretend they slipped them on immediately after instead of running the risk of getting caught in a darkspawn attack in the middle of the night in their birthday suits.  My wardens were essentially a practical lot.

I just didn't care for any of the music in those scenes tbh.  I liked the visuals of Isabela and Hawke, just not a fan of the music in any of the games at that particular time.  They just haven't hit that right note with me.  Yes, bad pun intended 

[springacres]

I would have had problems with some of those mods myself, but thankfully someone made a Clothed Prisoners/Clothed Cailan mod which considerably reduces the WTFery the nude mods produce.

 

You do still run the risk of getting an eyeful of dead Dairren (if you sleep with him during the Cousland origin)  and the guard Riordan kills, but I find that easy to overlook since neither corpse features in a cutscene the way Cailan or the stack of prisoners at Drakon do.

[Cypher0020]

I've never played a male casteless, but my main for my female is Zev.  Their backgroiunds are similar, and so is their philosophy on killing, etc