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[Majestic Jazz]

I am going build a 4K PC (4k GPU and Monitor) for the release of ME4. However, with consoles probably being the focus (both PS4 and XBO cannot do 4k) and the PC being just a console port, do you feel that a 4K gaming PC would actually produce a 4K experience with ME4 on the PC?

[Vazgen]

Trilogy had an issue of HUD becoming too small at 4k. It's a known issue though, so they have a chance to address it in ME:Next. I also heard it is fixable via changing a number in one of the game's files.

I also expect the graphics to be quite pleasing. Even with no focus at 4k for consoles it will probably look better than lower resolutions.

[RoboticWater]

I'd say don't upgrade to 4k just for ME4. ME4 is most likely going to look pretty good because of the Frostbite engine, but I can't imagine it'll be a "definitive 4k experience." I haven't heard of any issues with 4k in Battlefield 4 or DA:I, so there's no need to worry on that front. Unless BioWare does something incredibly stupid, ME4 should scale pretty well.

[AlanC9]

Hey, when did we start describing PC resolutions in those terms? I still say 1600x900, etc., myself -- I don't even remember what 1080p works out to.

[SwobyJ]

OP, probably not. Bioware tends to be at least a bit behind any technical curve.

 

However, BW may keep the resolution more in mind than previously.

[Ithurael]

What is a 4k PC? Is that a brand or the price?

 

I am going to feel like an idiot if it was the price...

 

In terms of brands I think Cyberpower is a good way to drop a lot of money - at least to test power configs. Or you can go straight up full text-line and just order everything piece by piece via newegg or geeks and assemble at home.

[RoboticWater]

What is a 4k PC? Is that a brand or the price?

 

I am going to feel like an idiot if it was the price...

 

In terms of brands I think Cyberpower is a good way to drop a lot of money - at least to test power configs. Or you can go straight up full text-line and just order everything piece by piece via newegg or geeks and assemble at home.

4k resolution screen, which may end up costing $4k if OP goes all in.

 

OP, probably not. Bioware tends to be at least a bit behind any technical curve.

 

However, BW may keep the resolution more in mind than previously.

While BioWare never seemed overly concerned with graphical fidelity, their moving to Frostbite will make keeping up with the tech curve much easier. The back end is essentially finished for them, most likely complete with proper resolution scaling and such.

[Majestic Jazz]

OP, probably not. Bioware tends to be at least a bit behind any technical curve.

 

However, BW may keep the resolution more in mind than previously.

 

I mean, DICE is very forward thinking with their shooters in terms of graphics. In fact, when Battlefield 3 came out years ago, it was considered the benchmark PC title in terms of graphics and performance. Many people were going all out building PCs and upgrading their GPUs just to play BF3 on max settings. Now considering that DICE is going to release Battlefront this year (using the Frostbite engine), I am going to assume that like BF3, Battlefront will be one of those PC games that you'll want to upgrade for as it would be a game with great emphasis on graphics. THEN when you add to the fact that ME4 comes out AFTER Battlefront and uses the same engine, it would be logical to conclude that the visuals of ME4 would be superior to Battlefront, yes?

 

If true, then wouldn't ME4 be a game that would benefit by being played in 4K?

 

Also I do not remember the visual quality climate of 2007, but I do remember Mass Effect 1 being a visually stunning game for its time. For a game that put a lot of emphasis on close ups and cinematic storytelling, ME1 WAS a great looking game for its time. It might not have been the vanguard of visual quality, but it sure wasn't just another average looking game either. Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 however wasn't pushing graphical limits the same way ME1 did however neither has Dragon Age 2 (rushed) and Dragon Age: Inquisition (held back by previous gen). 

[goishen]

Well, IMO, no.  Here's why :  All of the bugs haven't been worked out of the 4K monitors yet and the video cards are still struggling to power them.  Plus, the games industry has yet to fully embrace the potential that's there.

 

Would ME:N?    Dunno, maybe someone who has played DA:I in 4K can say.  Because DA:I does have 4K support, I believe with mantle.

[spinachdiaper]

4k, 3D movies / 3D blue ray, curved tv, oculus rift / project morpheus....

 

no way any of these become the standard format in everybody's living rooms

[Tonymac]

My new machine has dual SLI Titan X cards.  Lets see if ME4 can challenge my rig.

[Sanunes]

It really depends on what you are talking about with "4K experience" I would expect that the game will run at those higher resolutions, but I don't expect anything really beyond that. Industries are slow to adapt for it took years for DVD versions of games to be available and even just ten years ago I bought a collector's edition of World of Warcraft and one of the factors was that was the only way to get it on DVD.

 

If this was my decision, I wouldn't invest the amount of money it would take to get a proper 4K setup yet for the price is bound to drop significantly when it becomes better supported.

[Nitrocuban]

I really doubt ME4 will reach the limits of nowaday gaming PCs in any way.

I mean, ME1-3 not even got HD textures, DAI runs fine on almost every desktop PC of this decade and even the PS4 has very limited hardware compared to a decent 2015 gaming PC.

[Majestic Jazz]

My new machine has dual SLI Titan X cards. Lets see if ME4 can challenge my rig.

[Vazgen]

My new machine has dual SLI Titan X cards.  Lets see if ME4 can challenge my rig.

I sincerely hope it can't

[SwobyJ]

I mean, DICE is very forward thinking with their shooters in terms of graphics. In fact, when Battlefield 3 came out years ago, it was considered the benchmark PC title in terms of graphics and performance. Many people were going all out building PCs and upgrading their GPUs just to play BF3 on max settings. Now considering that DICE is going to release Battlefront this year (using the Frostbite engine), I am going to assume that like BF3, Battlefront will be one of those PC games that you'll want to upgrade for as it would be a game with great emphasis on graphics. THEN when you add to the fact that ME4 comes out AFTER Battlefront and uses the same engine, it would be logical to conclude that the visuals of ME4 would be superior to Battlefront, yes?

 

If true, then wouldn't ME4 be a game that would benefit by being played in 4K?

 

Also I do not remember the visual quality climate of 2007, but I do remember Mass Effect 1 being a visually stunning game for its time. For a game that put a lot of emphasis on close ups and cinematic storytelling, ME1 WAS a great looking game for its time. It might not have been the vanguard of visual quality, but it sure wasn't just another average looking game either. Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 however wasn't pushing graphical limits the same way ME1 did however neither has Dragon Age 2 (rushed) and Dragon Age: Inquisition (held back by previous gen). 

 

Bioware is only on the forefront for whatever serves their cinematic RP purposes.

 

ME1 was actually not a great looking game for 2008... except for the deal with the conversations. But otherwise, it was more mid 2000s at best. So actually I guess we're in a sort of agreement - the closeups and cinematic storytelling looked good. I just think everything else already looked dated when the game came out, even if only slightly dated.

 

I think Bioware mostly takes up tech when its already adopted by others. If we're seeing a lot of games take up 4k, then sure, expect the next Bioware game to be 4k. Just as if we start seeing VR games become mainstream gaming, Bioware won't be too far behind, etc.

 

But IMO Bioware is almost always behind.

 

 

EDIT: I do think 4k will be possible, I just don't think ME:N will focus on it.

[katamuro]

I need to build a new pc anyway. mine is....dated. I literally have no single part in my pc that cost more than £100 when I bought them new. Which for most stuff apart from gpu was 5 years ago. I need to find a job that pays well enough for me to justify the expense. 

[SwobyJ]

4k, 3D movies / 3D blue ray, curved tv, oculus rift / project morpheus....

 

no way any of these become the standard format in everybody's living rooms

 

Why are you lumping this stuff together? 

 

Some entertainment/media tech gets widely adopted, some of it doesn't. Some of it lasts for decades, some of it doesn't.

 

Even if OR/PM utterly fail in the marketplace, the technology that had them happen will continue and probably be part of something else, even if it ends up in the 2020s-2030s instead of 2010s.

 

But I suppose I somewhat agree - none of this tech will necessarily be part of a regular living room in this decade, and at least some of it may never be. 

[SwobyJ]

It really depends on what you are talking about with "4K experience" I would expect that the game will run at those higher resolutions, but I don't expect anything really beyond that. Industries are slow to adapt for it took years for DVD versions of games to be available and even just ten years ago I bought a collector's edition of World of Warcraft and one of the factors was that was the only way to get it on DVD.

 

If this was my decision, I wouldn't invest the amount of money it would take to get a proper 4K setup yet for the price is bound to drop significantly when it becomes better supported.

 

We say that industries are slow to adapt but that's only true from one perspective. Look at the changes of even just 1 or 2 decades, and it has been massive worldwide. A year can feel like a lot, especially when you're a business type thinking only in terms of 1-4 quarters, but in a lifetime it isn't much, and in a society it is a flash.

 

Agreed with the 2nd paragraph. This stuff will definitely lower in price soon enough, and there's no giant incentive to go 4k yet - but it can and IMO will happen in the future.

[SwobyJ]

I really doubt ME4 will reach the limits of nowaday gaming PCs in any way.

I mean, ME1-3 not even got HD textures, DAI runs fine on almost every desktop PC of this decade and even the PS4 has very limited hardware compared to a decent 2015 gaming PC.

 

DAI, after patching, runs mostly well on High on a card/PC I got in late 2011 with dust collecting inside it! Radeon HD 7870. Which is also funny because that's pretty much the card they're using on these 'next/current gen' consoles. So advanced lol.

 

I mean I'm gonna have to upgrade my PC, finally, when I feel I have the money to put towards it, but man, its lasted 3.5 years comfortably and apparently can at least moderately run 'current gen' games haha.

 

But I don't think things are actually moving super slow, but that's because I tend to think in terms of decades, not years. "I'm ready to 'upgrade for this decade'" is how I think, not "Oh man, tech is moving so slow that nothing's gonna change and we're gonna use the same tech several years from now, bummmerrrr."

 

Agreed that ME4 will probably not be super highly demanding. It'll fit for consoles = It'll fit for gaming PCs between now and 2011-2012 at least somewhat easily, maybe earlier.

[SwobyJ]

I need to build a new pc anyway. mine is....dated. I literally have no single part in my pc that cost more than £100 when I bought them new. Which for most stuff apart from gpu was 5 years ago. I need to find a job that pays well enough for me to justify the expense. 

 

lol same. Good part about PCs though is that once its built, you just put whatever parts you want in, whenever you want. It may cost $100s for each part (if you wish), but it will almost always surpass current console gen specs.

 

For me, I only really want to replace my GPU and CPU. Then I can decide what I want to do with the screen, speakers, etc. The concept of PC gaming can be daunting (it still is to me, since I only was 1/2 into the building of it while my bf helped for much), but once it is set up, you quickly are more open to exploring with what you can do next.

 

I've love to have a GPU that can play ME4 on Max settings within the next couple years.  

[Sanunes]

We say that industries are slow to adapt but that's only true from one perspective. Look at the changes of even just 1 or 2 decades, and it has been massive worldwide. A year can feel like a lot, especially when you're a business type thinking only in terms of 1-4 quarters, but in a lifetime it isn't much, and in a society it is a flash.

 

Agreed with the 2nd paragraph. This stuff will definitely lower in price soon enough, and there's no giant incentive to go 4k yet - but it can and IMO will happen in the future.

 

I do agree its all about one perspective and never meant to say that a company doesn't have justifiable reasons for why they advance or not, for using my first example of having games on DVDs versus CDs, they would have to consider training of staff, additional costs of having multiple formats, equipment purchases, stock issues, and others I would have never thought of all can make a company hesitant to jump to a new technology unproven in the market.

Modifié par Sanunes, 14 avril 2015 - 07:52 .

[SwobyJ]

I do agree its all about one perspective and never meant to say that a company doesn't have justifiable reasons for why they advance or not, for using my first example of having games on DVDs versus CDs, they would have to consider training of staff, additional costs of having multiple formats, equipment purchases, stock issues, and others I would have never thought of all can make a company hesitant to jump to a new technology unproven in the market.

 

Oh stop, this discussion is getting me all excited for the future tech of the 20s 

 

And yeah I get it. At this point I'd rather Bioware spend several years REALLY settling into this generation of tech before jumping again. I look at DAI and see a beautiful and enjoyable... wasted potential. And I'm sure many of the devs do too. So get to it, chop chop!