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[Junebug]

Not the Qunari people themselves but the religion/philosophy—the way of the Qun. Some people like Solas believe it strips individuals of free will/thought while others, like the slaves the Arishok rescued, believe it works as a discipline so that "nobody has to think."

 

Imho, whatever works for the individual is fine. They're not hurting anyone by practicing it and if it is a consensual conversion, I see no problem with it. However, personally I don't agree with it for myself—free will is something very important to me as an individual and I'd want it for others. But I live in a world where we can exercise individual freedoms so I can't imagine living like that. People who practice the Qun don't live the way I have and vice versa, so of course it's a strict order. Not having an individual name, being assigned a job as a child instead of choosing for myself, parenthood stops at conception/birth, their treatment of their mages, sacrificing social freedoms in exchange for efficiency to benefit the community, etc...many of these things are foreign to us and would bother us. But again, it is their way. If it works for them and they're not hurting anyone, I'm good with it (for the most part...a lot of it still bothers me).

 

Sorry if this topic has been brought up before but I googled the question and there wasn't a topic on it. What do you think? Discuss!

[The Baconer]

Mad cow disease.

[X Equestris]

Considering how anti-free will it is, I loath it. The forced conversion and their treatment of those who refuse to break are major sticking points for me.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

It's efficient....

[CathyMe]

I have a deep searing hatred for it and see it as slavery under a different name, which is why I think it's poetic/ironic how Tevinter and the Qunari are at each others throats.Also, giving the qun the middle finger during bull's personal quest is absolutely delicious.

[SgtSteel91]

The forced conversion and their treatment of those who refuse to break are major sticking points for me.

 

Same here.

[ReiKokoFuuu]

i view it how i view religions in general.  while i can see the appeal of a whole community working together to benefit everyone as more or less equals and everyone having a place, i do agree that it generally strips you of free will and any thought that's not considered the norm is wrong.  individualism is strongly discouraged, which is another deal breaker for me.  some people need or want a crutch to lean on in life and for some of those people, the qun is it.  however, it's not to my tastes.

[Cz-99]

It works sometimes and for some. Like all modes of governing it's not perfect. But I think we'd see around 329 less blood mages and abominations in Kirkwall under the Qun.

 

Personally, I think it's interesting but because it makes things less chaotic it makes them less interesting.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Needs to be destroyed or at least restructured from the ground up. 

[Red of Rivia]

It's efficient....

Yeah, But soon this government falls, is more a system of government than a religion, it disappointed a bit.

[Qun00]

I suppose it works just fine for those who do follow it.

Normal daily activities and everything.

[dgcatanisiri]

In theory, I see the appeal, something that gives everyone reason and purpose. I get why it's appealing to so many. It goes against one of my personal beliefs in saying that the world tends towards chaos, that by the Qun, everything is ordered. I see that as a flawed view of the world, but if it works for people and doesn't harm them, I don't mind.

 

But in practice, oh HELL. NO. 'Free to choose to obey,' as Hawke put it. That's not a choice and that's not free. And then they're willing to impose that order on others at spearpoint. Unless it's seriously restructured, I see it as a horribly destructive way of thinking.

[Catche Jagger]

I'm not a fan. The whole "no race" concept is really the only aspect of the Qun that I like at all. Otherwise, the Qun crushes individualism in the name of order and as a bonus the whole Saarebas thing is pretty horrible.

[congokong]

It goes against human nature: the need for autonomy and freedom. It's the ultimate controlling system; going so far as to control thoughts for some. Real life people are naturally opposed to being controlled; sadly exasperated by technology's increasing influence over our lives. Filling a role in a system is why so many people are overall unhappy I think. Hence, I don't think living as metaphorical gear in a very large machine would make most qunari happy, but I doubt happiness is relevant to the demands of the qun.

[trevelyan_shep]

With my overwhelming love for freedom the Qun is something I never want to see implemented. I think it's quite atrocious that someone would even think it is a good idea.

[Shadow Quickpaw]

I was leery on it from the start. Then I hear from Bull how any dissent is quelled by death or "reeducation." (i.e. reindoctrination) And they intend to forcibly convert all of Thedas. As if the Exalted Marches weren't bad enough already.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think it's fascinating.  In some ways the Qun fills the role that I wish more sci-fi would do with alien cultures.  They're so different in thinking, and it's challenging to wrap our modern-day human heads around why someone would ever submit to a culture or philosophy like the Qun.  I don't think it's meant to be something that the player likes or embraces, and more often than not it's in opposition to the player.  But that's fine.  That's IMO much more interesting than the Planet of Hats approach to fictional culture.

[X Equestris]

I was leery on it from the start. Then I hear from Bull how any dissent is quelled by death or "reeducation." (i.e. reindoctrination) And they intend to forcibly convert all of Thedas. As if the Exalted Marches weren't bad enough already.

All of the Exalted Marches declared by the Divine have at least been in self defense. What the Qun plans to do seems far worse. At least the Chantry is typically content to let missionaries do the work of converting people.

[katerinafm]

Some aspects of it are very tempting, but as a whole, it probably wouldn't work well.

[andy6915]

It's a failure. It tries to force order on races that are inherently chaotic, makes everyone have to fight their very biological nature just to be part of it. It attempts perfection of society in a way that is impossible. The thing about utopias is that they're always flawed, and the Qun tries for utopia... But even with their strictness they still fall short, because utopian ideals are impossible.

 

Basically, they try to fly to the sun but their wings burn off before they can make it. And even trying to fly towards the sun in the first place is a foolish endeavor. Their goal is impossible, and their methods of attaining it are horrific.

[myahele]

Even if you accept the Qun, it still very difficult to adhere to it ala Gat (the qunari elf)

 

I suppose it's fine as a personal philosophy, but not when you're forcing it to other people.

[RobRam10]

An abomination, an anathema to the glory of Tevinter and the true Chantry.

[Jaison1986]

It's a sad day when I start cheering on Tevinter...

 

 

But there it is. They've forced my hand.

 

When you manage to become worse then Tevinter, it's when you realize that you reached the lowest of the low. 

[SgtSteel91]

I think I would support Tevinter if forced to pick a side because I can imagine the possibility of Tevinter reforming with people like Dorian, Felix, and Maevaris. To me, everyone in the Qun is complacent with trying to conquer Thedas.