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[Warden Commander Aeducan]

A disease that's even more disgusting than Nug's Sh*t. It need to be purged for the glory of Tevinter Imperium, and for the sake of Thedas.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

When you manage to become worse then Tevinter, it's when you realize that you reached the lowest of the low. 

 

The Qun is better than Tevinter IMO.

 

Solas sums up the Qun by saying (sarcastically) "Yes, everyone is happy under the Qun! What does it matter if a few lives are sacrificed?"

 

Is it better in Tevinter, where few lives are happy and everyone else is rotten? I'll be the first to admit that Qunari society is too extreme and not to be replicated, but they ultimately do get pretty good results, especially for the (feudal) time period they are set in.

[The Baconer]

The Qun is better than Tevinter IMO.

 

Solas sums up the Qun by saying (sarcastically) "Yes, everyone is happy under the Qun! What does it matter if a few lives are sacrificed?"

 

Is it better in Tevinter, where few lives are happy and everyone else is rotten? I'll be the first to admit that Qunari society is too extreme and not to be replicated, but they ultimately do get pretty good results, especially for the (feudal) time period they are set in.

 

Well, according to the Qunari they get pretty good results  Tal'Vashoth are acknowledged as a serious problem in both Seheron and Kirkwall, and in the latter's case they had only been there for 2-3 years.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

At least in Tevinter, there's some hint of individual freedom... Not just that -- the idea that individual identities even freaking exist to begin with. We haven't had anything that absurd except, say, ancient China, where it's citizens were barely viewed with the basic dignity of "personhood".

 

And there's not as much cultural programming to break through in Tevinter. There is no overriding code like the Qun. Tevinter has it's problems, but it isn't some machine that dictates how everyone should think. Which means there's always a slight (or better) chance someone can slip through the cracks and change things. For better or worse.

 

 

I'm like Cullen and Cass and probably could live under the Qun myself. But it's the principal of the matter that pisses me off. People don't choose this.. they're forced into it.

 

You know, a lot of people take issue with the Qun's "free to obey" thing. And it is, of course, pretty ridiculous. Yet, to me, the opposite argument does not sound much more convincing. It is like saying "they are free to be peasants."

 

The Qun can be seen as slavery, but in Tevinter, slavery is promoted as a means of improving your life. Being common is that bad.

 

Also, I am not convinced the Qun is set in stone. Just about every religion forms new branches, no matter how dogmatic.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It is big no for me ,i prefer think for myself but every society forces others to live by its standards (more or less) and if people don't live by it society punish such people.Qunari also have pretty much good results comparing to rest of thedas. 

[TEWR]

Anaan Esaam Qun.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

It's not about good or bad though. It's about libertarian vs authoritarian ideals.

 

Well that's the thing. I am not a fan of Libertarian-ism, even though the Political Compass says I lean that way more than the latter.

 

Thing is, even though I do not want government to be overbearing to ridiculous levels (like the Qun) with things like imposing rules on what you do in your bedroom, I do still believe it needs to be a big and powerful entity that can come down on problems like a hammer. I reject the "Power corrupts" cliche. That lesson has been taught to us by a society that would also have us believe that "Free to be a peasant" is a good thing, too. Just look at all the people who decry universal healthcare as an infringement on their freedom. Yes, that's right, you will go bankrupt from an injury or illness that sends you to the hospital for a major procedure... BUT AT LEAST YOU'RE FREE TO!!

 

 

*edit* -- BTW, this is another reason why I feel the mage-freedom supporters have it wrong. Throwing away all the luxuries of the Circle, to live as a commoner in a feudal society? Brilliant!!

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well that's the thing. I am not a fan of Libertarian-ism, even though the Political Compass says I lean that way more than the latter.

 

Thing is, even though I do not want government to be overbearing to ridiculous levels (like the Qun) with things like imposing rules on what you do in your bedroom, I do still believe it needs to be a big and powerful entity that can come down on problems like a hammer. I reject the "Power corrupts" cliche. That lesson has been taught to us by a society that would also have us believe that "Free to be a peasant" is a good thing, too. Just look at all the people who decry universal healthcare as an infringement on their freedom. Yes, that's right, you will go bankrupt from an injury or illness that sends you to the hospital for a major procedure... BUT AT LEAST YOU'RE FREE TO!!

 

 

*edit* -- BTW, this is another reason why I feel the mage-freedom supporters have it wrong. Throwing away all the luxuries of the Circle, to live as a commoner in a feudal society? Brilliant!!

Well i think decision to risk bankruptcy isn't yours or mine only person that risks in first place.  

 

Im not mage supporter (in fact other way around) but also wouldn't trade my freedom for luxuries especially if i could get luxuries myself.

[Panda]

Evil.

 

It takes away individuality and free will. It's like one religion that forces everyone believe it. It oppresses makes cause it fears them so they are treated worse than mages in any Circle of Thedas. They are treated worse than animals, like they don't even deserve same dignity as cattle.

 

It spreads it's influence through fear and imperialism, bending nations under it's military power. Lobotoming everyone who objects.

 

Living under Qun is living under slavery, it's slavery by state, everyone is goverment's and religion's slave without freedom.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Burn it to the ground.

[andy6915]

I bet the Qunari thing will become the context of the next major DA game, and you might have to choose between Qunari and the Imperium (talk about a choice between poison and poison). It feels like that is the next major thing about the series that needs dealing with after the mage-templar-circle thing has been worked out with a new Divine in charge.

[Cariel]

They boxed themselves in on how much they can change. It's kind of written from the ground up to prevent that. They have this strict ideal about "Being" and how everything has a specific nature.. and deviating from it is denying one's nature. Reforming the religion is self-defeating. If they admit they're wrong somewhere, then the whole thing falls like a house of cards.

 

Other religions can change because they were never this way. The closest philosophy is platonic ideals, but Plato merely said that everything has an "ideal form". He didn't have the arrogance to say what those forms exactly were. He'd suggest that, say, all "chairs" are just shoddy replicas of the "ideal chair"... but he'd never pinpoint what exactly that chair looked like. The Qun is different. It actually has specific images in mind.

 

Perhaps it's not completely set in stone, but it's pretty damn close.

Lol, I don't think that Plato lacked the arrogance, I think he was smart enough to anticipate the copious inane backlash if he WAS to describe the perfect chair. I am ironically reminded of the BSN as I type this...

 

Free Will is a very easy idea to embrace as a principle, but rarely even those of us who live in free western societies exercise it in practise...Camus anyone? Not that I'm advocating shooting random Algerians on beaches. As far as DA goes... Iron Bull's dialogue gives a hint that the kossith were innately aggressive and that they needed the Qun or they'd all become like the Tal Vashoth, and as there's no (successful) historical analogue for the Qun I have decided that my pitiful human mind is not capable of understanding it.

[Uccio]

It needs to be eradicated. Annihilation is the only way. Only good qunari is a dead qunari.

[Lee80]

The Qun feels too much like an example of everything that's wrong with people who go crazy over religion.  Plus it's focus on logic only and emotion being discouraged is very unappealing to me on a personal level.  I would prefer to see it die out. 

[Ieldra]

Mad cow disease.

 

[Lumix19]

I like it in a certain way. It's quite innovative.

[Roamingmachine]

The qun makes me vibrate with rage.

Freedom of thought and freedom of choice (even if the choices aren't always great) are absolute. The qun labors to remove both from the individual. They can burn.

[Nehn]

Reminds me of radical Muslims ...

[Lumix19]

The qun makes me vibrate with rage.

Freedom of thought and freedom of choice (even if the choices aren't always great) are absolute. The qun labors to remove both from the individual. They can burn.

Really the Qun labours to take away or manipulate your choices until you either submit or are forced to take Qamek. "Existence is a choice" as they say.

[Uccio]

I like it in a certain way. It's quite innovative.

 

Originally it was a awesome enemy story wise. Kind of Borg in a fantasy settings. DAI made it a too much of a cuddly qun, still a abhorrent and disgustive though.

[Lumix19]

Originally it was a awesome enemy story wise. Kind of Borg in a fantasy settings. DAI made it a too much of a cuddly qun, still a abhorrent and disgustive though.

I guess that's a matter of perspective. They seem like a strange experiment, trying to shape environment and heredity until you have a soldier, or baker or farmer. And when people go off the beaten track they try and correct them. It's strangely psychological and quite fascinating.

[IRTurkishAndDisBOffensive]

The Quns seem like they don't care about the small affairs of humans. Idk, that's just the feeling they give me. 

 

They're alright, not the worst race.