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[Junebug]

Well that's the thing. I am not a fan of Libertarian-ism, even though the Political Compass says I lean that way more than the latter.

 

Thing is, even though I do not want government to be overbearing to ridiculous levels (like the Qun) with things like imposing rules on what you do in your bedroom, I do still believe it needs to be a big and powerful entity that can come down on problems like a hammer. I reject the "Power corrupts" cliche. That lesson has been taught to us by a society that would also have us believe that "Free to be a peasant" is a good thing, too. Just look at all the people who decry universal healthcare as an infringement on their freedom. Yes, that's right, you will go bankrupt from an injury or illness that sends you to the hospital for a major procedure... BUT AT LEAST YOU'RE FREE TO!!

 

 

*edit* -- BTW, this is another reason why I feel the mage-freedom supporters have it wrong. Throwing away all the luxuries of the Circle, to live as a commoner in a feudal society? Brilliant!!

Exactly. I don't think the player is actually supposed to actually like either of the two different types of structures but I really like that they brought it up.

 

Off-topic but I have to say, I support mage freedom—at least more freedom than they're afforded—and always wanted a middle ground. The Circle is effective but it does seem like a prison sometimes, some more than others. I made it so that at the end of my playthroughs, Leliana was the Divine so she freed mages from the Circle and made the Chantry much more inclusive through diplomacy (the other option was violence is he was hardened, I believe). The mages formed the College of Enchanters which is a step in the right direction. But yes, I totally get what you're saying. It would have been another Emancipation Proclamation disaster—yay, they're free but where do they go now? They've lived there their entire lives so that's all they've ever known.

[Augustei]

That depends who the spokesman is
When Tallis is praising it I loathe that disgusting philosophy.
When my buddy Sten is praising it, Idk I find it kinda interesting
 

[KainD]

Mad cow disease.

Nuff said.

[Forsythia77]

The interesting thing about the Qun is that it is not just a religion, its a whole social philosophy.  It picks your job for you.  The way the government is run is based on the Qun's social structure.  Comparing it to what I know here in the modern world,  it seems to have aspects of Socialism to it (which is not a bad thing - just a thing I'm pointing out) along with other more conservative religious and social aspects to it.  Society seems to be slightly matriarchal which is interesting because the Qun to me seems like it would be something more male dominated. As a person with a sociology degree, the Qun is interesting.  As a person who does not adhere to any organized religion, it would not be anything I would ever participate in.  But for people who like structure and order I can see the appeal of it.

[The Dank Warden]

Well... they've cannons and warships (not like those lame fishing boats that you see in the DA series)

[AstraDrakkar]

Borg/Evil nuff said.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The interesting thing about the Qun is that it is not just a religion, its a whole social philosophy.  It picks your job for you.  The way the government is run is based on the Qun's social structure.  Comparing it to what I know here in the modern world,  it seems to have aspects of Socialism to it (which is not a bad thing - just a thing I'm pointing out) along with other more conservative religious and social aspects to it.  Society seems to be slightly matriarchal which is interesting because the Qun to me seems like it would be something more male dominated. As a person with a sociology degree, the Qun is interesting.  As a person who does not adhere to any organized religion, it would not be anything I would ever participate in.  But for people who like structure and order I can see the appeal of it.

How is it matriarchal?

[jedidotflow]

How is it matriarchal?

The Tamassrans (priestesses) are female. http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Tamassran

[jedidotflow]

With all the spies and indoctrination, it sounds too close to Stalinism. It also effaces free will.
I was intrigued, and disgusted, during DAO, now I'm completely against it. From a meta perspective, I like that it exists. It's a refreshing take from all the feudalistic nonsense too overused in Fantasy.

[Mihura]

Borg/Evil nuff said.

 

Now that I think about it, it is kinda like the Borg. Well that is creepy.

[CathyMe]

The Tamassrans (priestesses) are female. http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Tamassran

Hahaha....how cute. A matriarchal society is a society where women rule,and the tammasrans are definitely not in charge by themselves, they have to share power with the other 2 factions (i forgot their names) which are not exclusively female. Also, in the qun society, women are told in a fancy way to "stay in the kitchen". They only get involved in raising children and other light-weight jobs like being a priestess, or crafting, bull explicitly states that women who fight are not considered women anymore, and Sten literally thinks your female warden is not actually a woman instead of accepting that women can fight. Rather odd, coming from a culture that supposedly doesn't care how you look as long as you obey and do your job.

[Potato Cat]

Hahaha....how cute. A matriarchal society is a society where women rule,and the tammasrans are definitely not in charge by themselves, they have to share power with the other 2 factions (i forgot their names) which are not exclusively female. Also, in the qun society, women are told in a fancy way to "stay in the kitchen". They only get involved in raising children and other light-weight jobs like being a priestess, or crafting, bull explicitly states that women who fight are not considered women anymore, and Sten literally thinks your female warden is not actually a woman instead of accepting that women can fight. Rather odd, coming from a culture that supposedly doesn't care how you look as long as you obey and do your job.

It's really neither patriarchal or matriarchal. Arigena is always female, Arishok always male and Ariqun can be either. While we don't know the gender of the current Ariqun, the next one will be Rasaan from the comics, according to WoT vol.2, so 2/3 of the Triumvirate will probably be female soon enough if it isn't already. I think it's a fair assertion to suggest it is matriarchal though. The Tamassrans run education, healthcare, breeding and obviously wield MASSIVE influence over the Qunari and the Ben-Hassrath, (which of the known roles within it, at least 1/4 can be held by a woman) are the spies and religious enforcers all answer to a potentially female Ariqun. The Arigena and her people run the economy, make sure everyone gets fed and has what they need. Whereas, the Arishok only interacts with the world outside the Qun. 

 

Also, Sten is confused because he sees the Warden's role as only fighting. But we know women can be Ben-Hassrath which are roles that involve fighting, but only using it as a means to another end.

[sorentoft]

Hahaha....how cute. A matriarchal society is a society where women rule,and the tammasrans are definitely not in charge by themselves, they have to share power with the other 2 factions (i forgot their names) which are not exclusively female. Also, in the qun society, women are told in a fancy way to "stay in the kitchen". They only get involved in raising children and other light-weight jobs like being a priestess, or crafting, bull explicitly states that women who fight are not considered women anymore, and Sten literally thinks your female warden is not actually a woman instead of accepting that women can fight. Rather odd, coming from a culture that supposedly doesn't care how you look as long as you obey and do your job.

I wouldn't call it odd. Simply speaking then in the Qun your job and gender are intertwined in such a manner that they cannot separated. They don't care about your biological gender, they care about what you address yourself as or identify as.

[Xilizhra]

I wouldn't call it odd. Simply speaking then in the Qun your job and gender are intertwined in such a manner that they cannot separated. They don't care about your biological gender, they care about what you address yourself as or identify as.

Not quite. Iron Bull's conversation with... someone, maybe Cassandra, implies that the qunari's treatment of transsexuality isn't nearly so tolerant as it seemed: rather, they see a woman whose aptitude is for fighting primarily, and nothing else, to actually be a man, so that they can be placed in a man's role but have to live as one. The fact that Krem is actually transsexual is just a convenient coincidence.

[CathyMe]

It's really neither patriarchal or matriarchal.

On that much we agree. Actually, this made me wonder. Do qunari allow men to be bakers or tailors or have other pink-collar job. And if they do, do they become women in the eyes of the qun? If so, than the qun also has some very extreme double standards that is unfair to both gender, but that is another matter of debate alltogether.

[Potato Cat]

On that much we agree. Actually, this made me wonder. Do qunari allow men to be bakers or tailors or have other pink-collar job. And if they do, do they become women in the eyes of the qun? If so, than the qun also has some very extreme double standards that is unfair to both gender, but that is another matter of debate alltogether.

The Arigena's the one we know least about since nothing she does appears to involve anything outside of Qunari controlled lands. But in Dragon Age Redemption, Tallis was working as an Athlok, (labourer), with two male co workers as some sort of butcher iirc. So we know there are roles for men within the craftsmen at least. But as far as I recall, all highly skilled labour has been suggested to be (at least) women's work. Solas mentions a female Qunari baker iirc, and I believe a writer suggested that a woman who's exceptionally strong could become a blacksmith instead of serving in the military. Nothing to suggest men can't do it though.