Question: does he say "are you flirting with me" if you ask him about his biotics during the hospital visit? He does not on a non-import run. I didn't buy the bottle in that playthough, can it be tied to that?
The times I've had him in ME3, I always bought the bottle and was nice to him and never got that line of dialogue
I romance with Kaidan a lot and I notice if you're being nice to him (paragon option throughout Mars mission), he will give you that "Are you flirting with me?" line in the hospital. But nowadays I only do renegade romance with him and he didn't gimme that line until the Arrae mission. 
On Liaramance.. I think you can put off her time capsule scene and lock-in romance with her first if you want extra scene.
I didn't romance anyone on my manshep because I played him like present day commanders, which is hands off the crew. (obviously this rule has changed by the time we are in the mass effect era). That being said, and this is quite funny, but the one I found most interesting and approachable was Traynor. She seems to even flirt a little, or it seems that way. If you didn't know her orientation from the get go , you may be inclined to want things to progress. Knowing her orientation though, I just avoided it during game night out of respect.
I still think my krogans should have won the first game though.
Yeah, and you can do the same with Kaidan and Ash. Unlike the ME2 companions, you needn't begin their romance arc in the first game it appears to have it available in ME3.
I didn't romance anyone on my manshep because I played him like present day commanders, which is hands off the crew. (obviously this rule has changed by the time we are in the mass effect era).
I'm thinking along these exact lines, although for my Shepard it's more a personal decision to focus on the mission and keep interpersonal drama and conflict to a minimum during his first crucial mission as a commander of his own vessel, seeing as only Kaiden and Ashley are officially part of the alliance military.
I think someone at BW have 'certain' views about "authority figures". I think Liar's relationship with Shep is best described by a dialogue between Shep and Nyreen Vandros in the Omega DLC. It's about how being around, or in the presence of, someone with such an 'aura' of power, can be quite intoxicating, and Shep and Liara have been "friends' for quite some time.
Not to mention how often Shep has saved or helped Liara, and her comment about being jealous of Shep rescuing yet another female scientist from certain death on a planet overrun with monsters, and well, i think there is a theme there.
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I think someone at BW have 'certain' views about "authority figures". I think Liar's relationship with Shep is best described by a dialogue between Shep and Nyreen Vandros in the Omega DLC. It's about how being around, or in the presence of, someone with such an 'aura' of power, can be quite intoxicating, and Shep and Liara have been "friends' for quite some time.
Not to mention how often Shep has saved or helped Liara, and her comment about being jealous of Shep rescuing yet another female scientist from certain death on a planet overrun with monsters, and well, i think there is a theme there.
I don't think Shepard has rescued on the level of Ann Bryson before. That was insane. Therum, Virmire, Archangel's base, Purgatory, Horizon... none of those were anything compared to that. 
I don't think Shepard has rescued on the level of Ann Bryson before. That was insane. Therum, Virmire, Archangel's base, Purgatory, Horizon... none of those were anything compared to that.
True, I died countless times from explosions from all those damn barrels! What in the name of the the Ancestors/Spirits/Goddess/God did a bunch of archeologists need that many barrels of explosives for? And why did Steve pick that particular spot, with the highest concentration of them, to land on for the pickup??
Though maybe Shep rescuing the Bomb Squad on Tuchanka comes close in terms of the enemies, at least there was more cover and no exploding barrels.
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I still think that "intoxicated by power" is what someone at BW was feeling. The sheer, undoubted mesmerism of Shep is a recurring theme throughout the games, even Admiral Hackett says as much, when answering Sheps "Why me?" question. (let's face it, Broshep and Femshep both "have a quad")
And Liara, despite hints at an inner mettle and a few scenes where she shows some backbone, (the expression of her face when she executes those two cerberus grunts on mars for instance) is "the little lost girl" in most scenes. It's natural for her to be "drawn" to Shepard and even infatuated with him/her.
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True, I died countless times from explosions from all those damn barrels! What in the name of the the Ancestors/Spirits/Goddess/God did a bunch of archeologists need that many barrels of explosives for? And why did Steve pick that particular spot, with the highest concentration of them, to land on for the pickup??
Though maybe Shep rescuing the Bomb Squad on Tuchanka comes close in terms of the enemies, at least there was more cover and no exploding barrels.
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I still think that "intoxicated by power" is what someone at BW was feeling. The sheer, undoubted mesmerism of Shep is a recurring theme throughout the games, even Admiral Hackett says as much, when answering Sheps "Why me?" question. (let's face it, Broshep and Femshep both "have a quad")
And Liara, despite hints at an inner mettle and a few scenes where she shows some backbone, (the expression of her face when she executes those two cerberus grunts on mars for instance) is "the little lost girl" in most scenes. It's natural for her to be "drawn" to Shepard and even infatuated with him/her.
Hackett takes a different angle. He says "you can't pay a soldier to believe". It's about Shepard's sense of hope and resilience. Not power. At least he does that for me. It made sense to me, when he mentioned Akuze/Sole Survivor origin. Which is more like Ripley in Aliens. Someone with a strong will to live. Not a necessarily powerful person.
The interesting thing with Liara, who used to believe the most, is that she's faltering more in ME3. She entertains the idea of the cycle ending and doesn't know how Shepard manages any of this, and was even originally written as possibly committing suicide after Thessia (of course, they didn't do that.. but it shows how far they were willing to take her new direction).
Hackett takes a different angle. He says "you can't pay a soldier to believe". It's about Shepard's sense of hope and resilience. Not power. At least he does that for me. It made sense to me, when he mentioned Akuze/Sole Survivor origin. Which is more like Ripley in Aliens. Someone with a strong will to live. Not a necessarily powerful person.
The interesting thing with Liara, who used to believe the most, is that she's faltering more in ME3. She entertains the idea of the cycle ending and doesn't know how Shepard manages any of this, and was even originally written as possibly committing suicide after Thessia (of course, they didn't do that.. but it shows how far they were willing to take her new direction).
I agree ... sort of ... Even Hackett admits that there is just something special about Shepard. His/Her charisma, strength, hope, resilience, self belief, prowess, etc. It's that certain ... "something" ... that draws people to Shepard and gives Shepard that "Aura". It's why I used Nyreen's dialogue as an example, although she is talking about her relationship with Aria, even Aria succumbs to Shepard's "power".
I don't think there is an actual word that can encompass it all, so I use the word power, in inverted commas, to define the undefinable.
It's a recurring theme throughout ME3 at least, and to a lesser degree ME1 and 2. Tali stating that she only took the position of Admiral because it's "what Shepard would do" Liara's frequent "I don't know how you do it" speeches. Traynor, Dr Brynn Cole, Jack, EDI and many more, including even Garrus (the Dossier on Hagalaz mentions that his exceptional leadership ability will always be overshadowed, while he's in Shepard's company) all referring, directly or indirectly, to Shepard's "power" (there's that inadequate word again)
They almost, and in some ways actually do, deify Shepard. But really, form a purely pragmatic gameplay point of view, it's a smart move by BW. Who doesn't want their avatar, the one they have spent hours, days (weeks? months? ... years?) controlling, to be worshiped as a bada$$ demigod?
And yeah, well, as for Liara? I don't think the writers could quite decide who they wanted her to be, or at least what sort of 'person' they wanted her to be. As the "Shadow Broker" she seemed quite strong and solid, very pragmatic and mature sometimes, but whenever she's around Shepard, she turns back into the "little lost girl" again. Not sure if that was "planned' or just a case of bad writing, in the sense that they didn't give her character any real progression or "growth".
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I agree ... sort of ... Even Hackett admits that there is just something special about Shepard. His/Her charisma, strength, hope, resilience, self belief, prowess, etc. It's that certain ... "something" ... that draws people to Shepard and gives Shepard that "Aura". It's why I used Nyreen's dialogue as an example, although she is talking about her relationship with Aria, even Aria succumbs to Shepard's "power".
I don't think there is an actual word that can encompass it all, so I use the word power, in inverted commas, to define the undefinable.
It's a recurring theme throughout ME3 at least, and to a lesser degree ME1 and 2. Tali stating that she only took the position of Admiral because it's "what Shepard would do" Liara's frequent "I don't know how you do it" speeches. Traynor, Dr Brynn Cole, Jack, EDI and many more, including even Garrus (the Dossier on Hagalaz mentions that his exceptional leadership ability will always be overshadowed, while he's in Shepard's company) all referring, directly or indirectly, to Shepard's "power" (there's that inadequate word again)
They almost, and in some ways actually do, deify Shepard. But really, form a purely pragmatic gameplay point of view, it's a smart move by BW. Who doesn't want their avatar, the one they have spent hours, days (weeks? months? ... years?) controlling, to be worshiped as a bada$$ demigod?
And yeah, well, as for Liara? I don't think the writers could quite decide who they wanted her to be, or at least what sort of 'person' they wanted her to be. As the "Shadow Broker" she seemed quite strong and solid, very pragmatic and mature sometimes, but whenever she's around Shepard, she turns back into the "little lost girl" again. Not sure if that was "planned' or just a case of bad writing, in the sense that they didn't give her character any real progression or "growth".
I don't want to be worshipped, personally. I like drama. The more games just resemble the avg movie or novel in this respect, the better.
I didn't romance anyone on my manshep because I played him like present day commanders, which is hands off the crew. (obviously this rule has changed by the time we are in the mass effect era). That being said, and this is quite funny, but the one I found most interesting and approachable was Traynor. She seems to even flirt a little, or it seems that way. If you didn't know her orientation from the get go , you may be inclined to want things to progress. Knowing her orientation though, I just avoided it during game night out of respect.
I still think my krogans should have won the first game though.
I don't want to be worshiped, personally. I like drama. The more games just resemble the avg movie or novel in this respect, the better.
So you don't like being "invested" in your Shep? Not trying to be disrespectful, I'm genuinely curious.
I always Role Play my Sheps fairly intensely (or at least as much as the game will allow) So when i do a Renegade or Paragon a Femshep or Broshep, or whom I choose as the LI for that particular play through, i tend to get very deep into the character (in my head at least, and in game as much as possible)
I dare say I don't want "worship" but i will say that I expect Recognition and Respect for my Shep and his/her achievements, and BW does do that pretty well. Hearing Cerberus peons screaming "it's shepard, it's shepard eeekkk" is pretty satisfying 
I dare say I don't want "worship" but i will say that I expect Recognition and Respect for my Shep and his/her achievements, and BW does do that pretty well. Hearing Cerberus peons screaming "it's shepard, it's shepard eeekkk" is pretty satisfying
Hearing them yell TAKING CASUALTIES is more satisfying
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So you don't like being "invested" in your Shep? Not trying to be disrespectful, I'm genuinely curious.
I always Role Play my Sheps fairly intensely (or at least as much as the game will allow) So when i do a Renegade or Paragon a Femshep or Broshep, or whom I choose as the LI for that particular play through, i tend to get very deep into the character (in my head at least, and in game as much as possible)
I dare say I don't want "worship" but i will say that I expect Recognition and Respect for my Shep and his/her achievements, and BW does do that pretty well. Hearing Cerberus peons screaming "it's shepard, it's shepard eeekkk" is pretty satisfying
Sure I like being invested. I just like drama and conflict. Most of the stuff I like in the series still has that. And most of my favorite characters don't worship Shepard. Wrex and Jack are my favorites. To me, they're bonded with Shep because they all understand pain equally...and being used.
Funnily, this is the kind of thing CloneShep mocks. He just thinks of power and name recognition. And doesn't want "baggage" or the scars. 
Sure I like being invested. I just like drama and conflict. Most of the stuff I like in the series still has that. And most of my favorite characters don't worship Shepard. Wrex and Jack are my favorites. To me, they're bonded with Shep because they all understand pain equally...and being used.
Funnily, this is the kind of thing CloneShep mocks. He just thinks of power and name recognition. And doesn't want "baggage" or the scars.
Actually I thought a really cool twist with CloneShep would have been that they were actually twins, and all those Paragon/Renegade options were in reality a kind of "Biological QEC", and you were actually "feeling" your twins choice as well.
The whole clone created for spare parts thing seemed rather lame really, if you can clone a whole living being, you could just as easily clone "spare parts".
Of course that would mean that Cloneshep would have had to be Paragon if you RP'd a Renegade Shep, but surely it could have been done. I think living in the other Shepard's shadow would have been way more interesting. Not getting the same breaks, meeting the same people or having the same luck as your Avatar would have held more meaning, the olde "things might have turned out differently if ..." thing.
Even better ... what if you could actually choose to become Cloneshep! If you decide that you preferred their attitude! Pick Cloneshep as your new Avatar! And because of the Biological QEC, he/she would have all/most of Sheps memories, but with a different perspective on them
What if Shepard (and maybe his/her twin?) were actually created and implanted by Leviathan? After all even the Collectors (controlled by Harbinger) decided to create a Human Reaper, so Humas obviously had/have some advantage. That would help explain what was so special about Shep. Why Shep was able to be resurrected (Superior/"Artificially Generated" DNA) Why Shep was the "only" one able to make the choices at the end. Why Shep is just so ... Shep!
I also like Wrex and Jack for not being full members of the "Shepard Cheersquad" I just wish Jack had stayed meaner. That punch in the face on Grissom was a great little tid bit. Wrex and to a lesser degree Jack never forget who they are. They are friends with Shep, and trust him/her, but, Wrex never forgets that he is a powerful accomplished individual with his own agenda.
Oke, enough stupid Head Canon ...
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