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If you can make excuses for Wrex you can easily make excuses for Morinth as well. You know what her condition was and what her choices were. Bottom line is still, they both chose to bekome killer.

 

Yeah, no. Wrex is a mercenary/bounty hunter who kills on a contract, while Morinth is a mind-raping sex vampire that kills random, unwitting civilians purely for pleasure. You can be certain that she can and most certainly will easily disappear in a place like the Citadel to have her fun with whoever she can lure into her clutches. Wrex presents no such risk, unless I'm suddenly compelled to fear for the lives of crime bosses with bounties on their heads.

 

Plus, Wrex's presence on the ship does not require us to also betray an ally, whereas getting Morinth aboard requires us to let her kill a justicar, who by all accounts should be the more reliable ally. There's no getting around it: letting Morinth aboard is stupid-evil.


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There's no getting around it: letting Morinth aboard is stupid-evil.

 

Sexy voice though.

 

I'm not one to romance dwarves, but I'd romance Sigrun (same actress :P).


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I did one playthrough choosing Morinth over Samara. She died during the suicide mission. No big loss. I still defeated the reapers. Excellent


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Yeah, no. Wrex is a mercenary/bounty hunter who kills on a contract, while Morinth is a mind-raping sex vampire that kills random, unwitting civilians purely for pleasure. You can be certain that she can and most certainly will easily disappear in a place like the Citadel to have her fun with whoever she can lure into her clutches. Wrex presents no such risk, unless I'm suddenly compelled to fear for the lives of crime bosses with bounties on their heads.

 

Plus, Wrex's presence on the ship does not require us to also betray an ally, whereas getting Morinth aboard requires us to let her kill a justicar, who by all accounts should be the more reliable ally. There's no getting around it: letting Morinth aboard is stupid-evil.

 

Morinth's end goal is also to murder Shepard.

 

Good VA, but it doesn't make sense for Shepard to recruit Morinth even if he is the most renegade of renegades.


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Morinth's end goal is also to murder Shepard.

 

Good VA, but it doesn't make sense for Shepard to recruit Morinth even if he is the most renegade of renegades.

 

And just imagine if we came across a dead crewmate because s/he got played for a sucker lol


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Great news.

 

If you double down on Dombrow and bring Javik to Thessia the mission is actually quite good, though short.


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His role as a peace bringer felt out of place for me. Even though he said he wanted the Krogans to stop fighting (for a few generations that is) it sounded like he just wanted this out of necessity, to focus on breeding. In the first game he was a ruthless and confrontative character who even wanted to kill a friend for money, so to have all this talk about "an anomaly" or "food taster" in 3 really didn't make sence to me.

Wrex is actually described as being somewhat different from the typical Krogan in Mass Effect 1. It happens with Kaidan at least but I think there are more characters that say the same.

 

Take Wrex and Kaidan to the Citadel, go to the Krogan statue and talk with Wrex. He will say that the statue represents what the Krogan used to be before they became killers for hire. Kaidan asks "You are not really like other Krogan aren't you Wrex" to which Wrex will say that he will take that as compliment.

 

Still Wrex will be the first to recognize that he is a Krogan and it's in their nature to fight but he also sees that going down the path of war will be downfall of the Krogan race. That's why he is described as a mutant by Eve.


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Wrex trying to play the role as a peacekeeper has pretty clear precedence in ME1 if you actually listen to his dialogue. His father was a warmongering warlord, and Wrex was trying to rally the clans together to find a more peaceful way to live, especially since the genophage ensured that they couldn't afford to fight anyone, let alone each other anyway, and ended up having to kill his father, which led him to leave Tuchanka altogether.


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Wrex's wisdom also isn't unreasonable. He's never portrayed as "wise" (that would be Eve's role in the story. Wrex is still talking about starting another Krogan Empire in ME3) but he's definitely wiser than he was during most of ME1, presumably due to the events of Virmire changing his perspective slightly.


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Morinth is like the Jim Jones of Asari. Mixed with Lestat. Like she created death cults that sacrificed children to her and mindrapes people.

 

Wrex is a just Bounty Hunter, dude.

 

 

For fucksake... Can't anyone even have fun with action and sci fi anymore... I never saw people getting hung up about Boba Fett. He was just considered badass. But in Bioware world, everything's always got to be put in some strict moral context. 

 

Oh for goodness sake, take a goddamn chill pill. I already told you I dont have a problem with your favourite bro as well as your waifu. Those are fictional characters in a fictional universe; I couldn't care less if they're space Hitler. I am not condemning them or trying to moralize, I put things into the right context. Contract kills on businessmen on Noveria, Piracy for Saren, trying to kill a friend for money, he was not just a Bounty Hunter dude. He was a killer. If you still want to hang out with him, be my ****** guest. But stop involving me in your pathetic little fandom fights just because I see your favourites in a different light.

 

Yeah, no. Wrex is a mercenary/bounty hunter who kills on a contract, while Morinth is a mind-raping sex vampire that kills random, unwitting civilians purely for pleasure. You can be certain that she can and most certainly will easily disappear in a place like the Citadel to have her fun with whoever she can lure into her clutches. Wrex presents no such risk, unless I'm suddenly compelled to fear for the lives of crime bosses with bounties on their heads.

 

Plus, Wrex's presence on the ship does not require us to also betray an ally, whereas getting Morinth aboard requires us to let her kill a justicar, who by all accounts should be the more reliable ally. There's no getting around it: letting Morinth aboard is stupid-evil.

 

My Shepard chose her solely because of head canon reasons, I chose her because she was a somewhat interesting character who I wanted to explore a little further (and I didn't chose her on every playthrough). I fully acknowledge that in the game there is not one good reason for recruiting her and that the choice, as it stands, really looks stupid. But your implication that you should reject the character solely on moral grounds ... well my take on this is that you can do this in a lot of cases, even though maybe not to that degree. One of those cases would be Wrex IMO, reasons stated above.

 

Wrex is actually described as being somewhat different from the typical Krogan in Mass Effect 1. It happens with Kaidan at least but I think there are more characters that say the same.

 

Take Wrex and Kaidan to the Citadel, go to the Krogan statue and talk with Wrex. He will say that the statue represents what the Krogan used to be before they became killers for hire. Kaidan asks "You are not really like other Krogan aren't you Wrex" to which Wrex will say that he will take that as compliment.

 

Still Wrex will be the first to recognize that he is a Krogan and it's in their nature to fight but he also sees that going down the path of war will be downfall of the Krogan race. That's why he is described as a mutant by Eve.

 

I'm aware that this is one side of the character, but there is also his other side which you experience for example when you take him to Noveria. I felt like this other side was completely downplayed or ignored in ME3.



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I'm aware that this is one side of the character, but there is also his other side which you experience for example when you take him to Noveria. I felt like this other side was completely downplayed or ignored in ME3.

I don't think so. There are several moments where Wrex let his other side take over. Sur'kesh being the most obvious example. Also assuming that that one saves Maelon's data, Wrex's respect for Shepard is immense and he considers him a friend and later a brother.

 

But he isn't exactly friendly towards the Primarch or Mordin Solus. He even goes to the point of saying that they (the Krogan) would be happy to feed Garrus to a Thresher Maw. 



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Morinth's end goal is also to murder Shepard.

 

Good VA, but it doesn't make sense for Shepard to recruit Morinth even if he is the most renegade of renegades.

Except Samara also straight up tells you that she's going to murder you after the war if you're even the slightest bit Renegade. Apparently, the difference between adoration and attempted homicide can be measured by the pyjak that I accidentally rolled my uncontrollable Mako into on Eletania back in ME1. Quite frankly, I see little moral difference between a deceptive serial killer and a zealot with an extremist ideology who is willing to murder dozens of innocents on her way out police confinement simply because her extremism demands it. The latter just seems to get a pass because "bewbz".

They're both nutty as a goddamn fruitcake. Samara probably moreso, because I'm betting that Morinth will at least admit she is a psychotic, sociopathic murder instead of justifying it with "muh codes" in a completely serious manner.

 

Wrex trying to play the role as a peacekeeper has pretty clear precedence in ME1 if you actually listen to his dialogue. His father was a warmongering warlord, and Wrex was trying to rally the clans together to find a more peaceful way to live, especially since the genophage ensured that they couldn't afford to fight anyone, let alone each other anyway, and ended up having to kill his father, which led him to leave Tuchanka altogether.

Yeah, he was presented as an anomaly from the start, if still a flawed one. I don't agree with RatThing that he was an irredeemable sociopath (at least by krogan standards), but I do agree that ME2 and ME3 both whitewashed a lot of his hypocritical behavior and made the presentation of Genophage Arc pretty much completely one sided. You can't give more than token resistance to some of the crackpot things he says and does apart from basically genociding his species. He basically got Legion'd, though not to the same extent IMO.

Now, if Wreav's around, the treatment of the issue is fairer, but for the wrong reason, namely that because both sides then become completely unsympathetic. 


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Oh for goodness sake, take a goddamn chill pill. I already told you I dont have a problem with your favourite bro as well as your waifu. Those are fictional characters in a fictional universe; I couldn't care less if they're space Hitler. I am not condemning them or trying to moralize, I put things into the right context. Contract kills on businessmen on Noveria, Piracy for Saren, trying to kill a friend for money, he was not just a Bounty Hunter dude. He was a killer. If you still want to hang out with him, be my ****** guest. But stop involving me in your pathetic little fandom fights just because I see your favourites in a different light.

 

 

I am chill for the most part...half of this **** I'm typing in bed, while watching TV. Ironically, it's that new Daredevil series... he's got all of these issues with killing people too  ;) I feel obligated to defend her though. She's complicated, and she isn't popular to begin with. It's not about waifus either. It's about two characters I find raucous and exciting, but with huge hearts when you dig deep enough. 

 

Everyone's a killer in the games. And it's FUN. Also, it's a sci-fi shooter/RPG. What else am I supposed to do? Sit around and hug Kelly Chambers? Be polite to Batarian bartenders? It's a harsh world, but not everyone is a mindraping vampire who builds death cults around herself. You're basically equating "action movie" characters to horror movie characters. You're just taking the fun out of everything when you do that. 



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Except Samara also straight up tells you that she's going to murder you after the war if you're even the slightest bit Renegade. Apparently, the difference between adoration and attempted homicide can be measured by the pyjak that I accidentally rolled my uncontrollable Mako into on Eletania back in ME1. Quite frankly, I see little moral difference between a deceptive serial killer and a zealot with an extremist ideology who is willing to murder dozens of innocents on her way out police confinement simply because her extremism demands it. The latter just seems to get a pass because "bewbz".

They're both nutty as a goddamn fruitcake. Samara probably moreso, because I'm betting that Morinth will at least admit she is a psychotic, sociopathic murder instead of justifying it with "muh codes" in a completely serious manner.

 

There is a difference between the two however. If Samara is gunning for Shepard it is because of his or her actions. Morinth on the other hand wants to murder Shepard because she's a sadist who is aroused by it. 

 

Samara at least can be trusted until the mission ends, and is a lot less likely to be murdering crew members or civilians while on shore leave. The only reason to choose Morinth is just to see how the story differs with her recruited. From a story perspective it never made sense for Shepard to recruit her over Samara. She is a loose cannon in ways that Samara is not, and would pose a much greater risk of compromising the mission.



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I'm not even sure Morinth is a sadist. She's more of a predator....one very high on the food chain.



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I'm not even sure Morinth is a sadist. She's more of a predator....one very high on the food chain.

She's worst than an apex predator, she loves what she does.   If she was just trying to do this to survive (like a sympathetic vampire,) then I'd agree.  However, she's doing to feed a psychological addiction.  Judging from the conversation in her apartment, she seems to take joy in causing another person pain.  That's the textbook definition of a sadist.


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She's worst than an apex predator, she loves what she does.   If she was just trying to do this to survive (like a sympathetic vampire,) then I'd agree.  However, she's doing to feed a psychological addiction.  Judging from the conversation in her apartment, she seems to take joy in causing another person pain.  That's the textbook definition of a sadist.

 

I don't remember her saying that about pain, but I'll take your word for it. I remember her saying she loves the moment of victory, when people die.

 

Anyways...I did compare her to Lestat earlier... who is definitely an outright sadist. But she's not quite that bad either.



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My Shepard chose her solely because of head canon reasons, I chose her because she was a somewhat interesting character who I wanted to explore a little further (and I didn't chose her on every playthrough). I fully acknowledge that in the game there is not one good reason for recruiting her and that the choice, as it stands, really looks stupid. But your implication that you should reject the character solely on moral grounds ... well my take on this is that you can do this in a lot of cases, even though maybe not to that degree. One of those cases would be Wrex IMO, reasons stated above.

 

In my comment, it's not just a matter of the morality of it. While this plays a significant part, anyone who's remotely practical would reject the offer for her help. Morinth is unique in that her recruitment is mutually exclusive, but in the process, you're swapping out the powerful and experienced combatant for the dodgy, unreliable one that could disappear at an inopportune time.

 

Heck, it would have been high-larious if Morinth disappeared the moment we returned to the Citadel.

 

Shepard: Has anyone seen Morinth?

 

Garrus: You mean the sneaky vampire that kills people and disappears? Can't say that I have.

 

Shepard: Dammit!

 

Miranda: I guess we can print these dossiers on our toilet paper. Seems that's all they're good for.


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Garrus wouldn't know she was Morinth anyways. Remember you have to dupe them all..

 

 

The only one who figures it out, I think... is Kasumi. Maybe Kelly too? I forget.



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Garrus wouldn't know she was Morinth anyways. Remember you have to dupe them all..

 

 

The only one who figures it out, I think... is Kasumi. Maybe Kelly too? I forget.

 

It's been a while since I've watched the YouTube videos of Morinth, and the subsequent self-inflicted critical mission failure XD

 

The only thing I can remember is that she decided to wear her dead mother's outfit. But at least she was kind enough to put on a name tag after being turned into a banshee.



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It's been a while since I've watched the YouTube videos of Morinth, and the subsequent self-inflicted critical mission failure XD

 

The only thing I can remember is that she decided to wear her dead mother's outfit. But at least she was kind enough to put on a name tag after being turned into a banshee.

 

Even though I don't like her, that was a lame end for her. I don't mind her turning into a banshee, but I'd love to see the fight at least. Like an alternate version of Samara's mission. Would be cool to have the truth come out too, and Garrus and Liara realizing you killed Samara.


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It's been a while since I've watched the YouTube videos of Morinth, and the subsequent self-inflicted critical mission failure XD

 

The only thing I can remember is that she decided to wear her dead mother's outfit. But at least she was kind enough to put on a name tag after being turned into a banshee.

I watched it recently.  It's still funny, at least to me.  That Game Over was pure sucker bait.   :P

 

She manages to mimic Samara perfectly.  However, Kelly (being the resident shrink) as well as Grunt knew something was up.  It doesn't help that for some reason, Morinth drops the act around Grunt for this one moment.  Most of the time around the squad, she acts like her mom.  Grunt doesn't act the least bit surprised.

 

 

Edit: Vazgen, if you notice the back of Shepard's head and his weapons, that is another example of the z-fighting texture problem.  Tuchunka is the second worst place for that, so you might want to throw that into the Known Bugs thread.


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One of the most amusing non-standard Game Overs in video game history as far as I'm concerned.   :P


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The best game over sequence ever still has to be this one from the original Rise of the Triad: