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[txgoldrush]

Halo 4 had the best characterization, by far.

 

Cortana especially.

[bboynexus]

Agreed, txgoldrush. I thought Halo 4's narrative was a leap in the right direction for the series. Say what you will about the gameplay however.

[RZIBARA]

Was he the guy who wrote Javik?

 

Awesome!

[Linkenski]

that depends on which part of the Halo fandom you ask.

In my opinion, its a very very bad thing

Me too, but still better than Mac. I think a lot of people criticise Mac solely for the ending "because shepard died" and stuff like that, yet they think his comics are okay and his other contributions to me3 are great too.

I've reached a point where I can't help buy notice whenever something is written by Mac in ME3 during replays. I guess I've figured out his writing style, but it is easily the weakest out of all the other 7 ME3 writers, because it's like a comic book dialogue in the game, with many many pauses and lots of sentences that aren't really sentences.

Also, he tends to write 'god damn' near everyone in the same character voices, making them sound like hard-asses and real edgy like. IMO it even happened to Anderson.

[wolfhowwl]

Me too, but still better than Mac. I think a lot of people criticise Mac solely for the ending "because shepard died" and stuff like that, yet they think his comics are okay and his other contributions to me3 are great too.

I've reached a point where I can't help buy notice whenever something is written by Mac in ME3 during replays. I guess I've figured out his writing style, but it is easily the weakest out of all the other 7 ME3 writers, because it's like a comic book dialogue in the game, with many many pauses and lots of sentences that aren't really sentences.

Also, he tends to write 'god damn' near everyone in the same character voices, making them sound like hard-asses and real edgy like. IMO it even happened to Anderson.

 

Are you sure you're not just attributing stuff you don't like to a writer you obviously don't like?

[Steelcan]

Halo 4 had the best characterization, by far.

 

Cortana especially.

*gags*

 

Halo 4 isn't fit to lick the boots of the previous games

[txgoldrush]

Dude, the first three Halos had very weak stories, especially Halo 2. Halo 4 was a massive improvement.

 

ODST was the best written Halo game however.

[bboynexus]

I don't understand the dislike for Halo 4. On a character level it's by far the best and elevates a series that what was previously a mundane shooting gallery.

[RatThing]

Ever heard of character development? Not everything has to happen with Shepard

Wrex changed when he returned to Tuchanka (after all the Virmire Krogan stuff) I don't see what the problem is

 

Sounds like you just want static characters

 

This "character development" is in no way reasonable. Not only Wrex' character was violent, his whole nature as a Krogan was. There are enough indices for that. Yet nevertheless everybody acts, like he is the greatest hope for peace, even my Shepard, no matter what I do ("the other Krogan aren't like you Wrex"). See my initial comment wasn`t just about the change of the character, but even more about the position these characters are in and other people's reaction to it. You cannot seriously tell me that with all that is known about Wrex, no one would doubt or distrust him in this position. It's just absurd.  

I get it though, Wrex was a popular character and people wanted a happy end for him (whether it is one that makes sence or not), so they got it. Same goes for many other character. I guess some people just want rainbows and butterflies.

[Quarian Master Race]

I don't understand the dislike for Halo 4. On a character level it's by far the best and elevates a series that what was previously a mundane shooting gallery.

it's because the actual gameplay got butchered (especially in multiplayer). Annoying bullet sponge enemies and lack of variety in SP. In MP, we got transplantation of COD ideas like loadouts and killstreaks and expansion of the "perks" that completely ruined the arena shooter and tactical area/power weapon control elements of the gameplay, substituting it with "the team who gets the greater number of killstreak RNG binary rifle drops wins". Not that there's anything inherintly wrong with that sort of shooter, but it isn't Halo

But yeah, the actual narrative and characters had a lot more depth than the previous games' "faceless space marine archetype guns down millions of alien zealots" plot. It still gets hated on by some fanbois for similar reasons that Halo 2's Arbiter and Covenant Sepratist arcs got hated on.

[Vortex13]

Dude, the first three Halos had very weak stories, especially Halo 2. Halo 4 was a massive improvement.

 

ODST was the best written Halo game however.

 

 

I would have to disagree, I think Halo 2 was the best out of the original trilogy. It actually attempted to show things from the Covenant's side, give them actual depth of character instead of "Rawr! Alien SMASH!"

 

ODST was a nice change of pace from all the Spartan Worship (plus Nathan Filion  ), and I had a ton of fun with Halo Wars but apart from that I have slowly lost interest with the franchise. Really, it's all the "Humans are special" that turns me off to the setting. Us fighting off the Covenant was one thing, but then having us being the only ones capable of defeating the Flood and being around back when the Forerunners were alive; and kicking the crap out of them too because: "Humans are awesome!" was were I began to dislike humanity and the MC.

[KaiserShep]

This "character development" is in no way reasonable. Not only Wrex' character was violent, his whole nature as a Krogan was.

 

Judging from Wrex's little anecdote in ME1, it seems to me that his role in ME2 and 3 were pretty much his attempt to go back to what he previously started, before his confrontation with his father drove him off of Tuchanka. Heck, he even turned away Maelon because he didn't approve of the nature of his experimentation, though this ended up being considerably foolhardy, since Maelon ended up working for a clan that would have laid waste to any relatively peaceful clans and then set its sights on Citadel space.

[SwobyJ]

That's the only reason I don't like helping the Krogan. Not that Wrex is a problem. But that their salvation (or rather, Eve's) depends on Maelon. Dombrow/Weekes barely addressed this, but this is where I'm at a crossroads. I wouldn't care if it was just krogans being experimented on (they're pretty nonchalant about volunteering and doing this themselves), but it was humans as well. Why Wrex changed his mind from 2 to 3, I don't know.

 

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me though to fight all throughout ME2 against Collectors who are kidnapping and experimenting on humans, only to allow it for your Krogan buddies. I've done this, but it doesn't sit well with me.

 

Interesting, that.

[ArabianIGoggles]

I would have to disagree, I think Halo 2 was the best out of the original trilogy. It actually attempted to show things from the Covenant's side, give them actual depth of character instead of "Rawr! Alien SMASH!"

 

ODST was a nice change of pace from all the Spartan Worship (plus Nathan Filion  ), and I had a ton of fun with Halo Wars but apart from that I have slowly lost interest with the franchise. Really, it's all the "Humans are special" that turns me off to the setting. Us fighting off the Covenant was one thing, but then having us being the only ones capable of defeating the Flood and being around back when the Forerunners were alive; and kicking the crap out of them too because: "Humans are awesome!" was were I began to dislike humanity and the MC.

Humans didn't defeat the flood.  They just let the forerunners think ancient humans found a cure.  They go into it in the trilogy with Mortal Dictata.  Unless you're talking about in the third game, where the elites helped us out.  Though it is likely that the flood is still around.  But I see your point.

[Dubozz]

At least some news about this game are good. Maybe he will be able to keep certain "creative director" in check. 

[KaiserShep]

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me though to fight all throughout ME2 against Collectors who are kidnapping and experimenting on humans, only to allow it for your Krogan buddies. I've done this, but it doesn't sit well with me.

 

That's not really the same. With Maelon's data, the damage is done. The party that "sponsored" his work was dealt with, but the resulting information already exists because you were too late to stop the process that led to it. Shepard doesn't really allow the krogan to do anything, and archiving the data or keeping it for yourself certainly wouldn't qualify. As a matter of sheer scale, we're talking about a handful of people that can't be brought back by any avenging by deletion against the entirety of the human race, and indeed every race comprising the galactic community if the Collectors actually succeed.

[Vortex13]

Humans didn't defeat the flood.  They just let the forerunners think ancient humans found a cure.  They go into it in the trilogy with Mortal Dictata.  Unless you're talking about in the third game, where the elites helped us out.  Though it is likely that the flood is still around.  But I see your point.

 

 

You bring up another point here. Why do I have to go through the levels scouring for easter eggs and hidden locations as well as go and absorb all of the other Halo related media (novels, movies, comics etc.) just to know what the heck is going on? When I played Halo 4 I had no idea who Thomas Lasky was, nor why he was suddenly 'friends' with the MC. The forth game's narrative just expected the players to have gone and watched Forward Unto Dawn and read all about Lasky's backstory to know who he was. I am not against other media providing elaboration on a setting, or giving insight into areas that the game didn't cover, but when the Forerunner Trilogy of novels becomes required reading, you have a problem.  

[Steelcan]

You bring up another point here. Why do I have to go through the levels scouring for easter eggs and hidden locations as well as go and absorb all of the other Halo related media (novels, movies, comics etc.) just to know what the heck is going on? When I played Halo 4 I had no idea who Thomas Lasky was, nor why he was suddenly 'friends' with the MC. The forth game's narrative just expected the players to have gone and watched Forward Unto Dawn and read all about Lasky's backstory to know who he was. I am not against other media providing elaboration on a setting, or giving insight into areas that the game didn't cover, but when the Forerunner Trilogy of novels becomes required reading, you have a problem.  

another strike against Halo 4 >_>

[dreamgazer]

Based on this thread, I can't figure out whether I should actually play the equally abysmal and brilliant Halo 4 or not.

Maybe I'll just go do this again instead.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Based on this thread, I can't figure out whether I should actually play the equally abysmal and brilliant Halo 4 or not.

Maybe I'll just go do this again instead.

 

If you enjoy running around and shooting things in beautiful environments Halo 4 has got you covered.

[KaiserShep]

I'm talking about having general principles. Ethics. Not just looking at situational principles. 

 

You know, those things that makes some people really stubborn at times?

 

Perhaps, though realistically, if someone in Shepard's position decided to delete the data, it wouldn't be on account of the method by which the data was gathered, but rather to ensure that no one is any closer to curing the genophage.

 

Besides, the impending cataclysm that threatens to wipe out the entire galactic community makes that sort of thing a bit of a luxury. It would've been pretty funny if destroying the data basically made it impossible to cure the genophage at all.