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[thats1evildude]

No real discussion here. I'm just tired of seeing this rehashed over and over, and I hope that this thread title might pop up when someone does a Google search for evidence to support this false claim.

At some point or another, you will come across the assertion that former lead Dragon Age writer David Gaider hates dwarves, and that's the reason there has been no "real" dwarf romance in the series thus far. You may also see this JPEG used to support that assertion.

But he was joking, as he clarified later in this thread, where he further reiterated that he doesn't hate dwarves.

http://forum.bioware.../#entry16967535

Fantasy dwarves are not real-life dwarfs.

Also? I was joking, as I believe I even mentioned in that thread. Those comments were after people took something I'd said earlier out of context to mean "David Gaider thinks dwarf sex is gross" ...when what I'd said was that we'd reviewed the sex scenes in DAO with a "worst case scenario", and the Alistair scene was done with a dwarf made to look like a young girl (with pigtails and such) and that had left me a little traumatized. I clarified that as well, but nobody paid any attention to that clarification either, so I've pretty much given up on trying to assure people that I don't hate dwarf romances.

Rail on about dwarf romances and the lack thereof all you like, but quit repeating these lies as fact.

[frankf43]

No real discussion here. I'm just tired of seeing this rehashed over and over, and I hope that this thread title might pop up when someone does a Google search for evidence to support this false claim.

 

At some point or another, you will come across the assertion that former lead Dragon Age writer David Gaider hates dwarves, and that's the reason there has been no "real" dwarf romance in the series thus far. You may also see this JPEG used to support that assertion.

 

 

 

 

But he was joking, as he clarified later in this thread, where he further reiterated that he doesn't hate dwarves.

 

http://forum.bioware.../#entry16967535

 

Fantasy dwarves are not real-life dwarfs.

 

Also? I was joking, as I believe I even mentioned in that thread. Those comments were after people took something I'd said earlier out of context to mean "David Gaider thinks dwarf sex is gross" ...when what I'd said was that we'd reviewed the sex scenes in DAO with a "worst case scenario", and the Alistair scene was done with a dwarf made to look like a young girl (with pigtails and such) and that had left me a little traumatized. I clarified that as well, but nobody paid any attention to that clarification either, so I've pretty much given up on trying to assure people that I don't hate dwarf romances.

 

Rail on about dwarf romances and the lack thereof all you like, but quit spouting this bullshit.

Thanks for the clarification. As I said in the twitter thread either way if he had been against them or not was his choice as a creative writer. 

[NextGenCowboy]

The issue is, this isn't going to sway people who want to interpret it how they want to interpret it. It's been posted before, at least twice, and they haven't stopped.

 

It's not going to matter to people who don't care one way or another.

 

Ultimately, the world's gonna keep turning, and nothing's going to change. People on both sides of the fence will cling to what they want to cling to, and people in the middle will be indifferent.

[Jawzzus]

How many threads are we going to have about Mr. Gaider and dwarf romances?

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Did I suddenly go 5 years into the past or something? This debate is so old and pointless now.

[DragonRacer]

Did I suddenly go 5 years into the past or something? This debate is so old and pointless now.

 

Sort of. David Gaider made a joking comment on Twitter related to it and saltiness ensued.

 

You know, the usual.

[frankf43]

Did I suddenly go 5 years into the past or something? This debate is so old and pointless now.

It's been dragged up again by his leaving. People are saying that now he's gone we might get Dwarf romances.

[Andraste_Reborn]

It's beside the point now anyway since he's on an entirely different franchise which probably doesn't even have dwarves in it.

 

I'm certainly not expecting a dwarf romance in the next game. (I mean, I think it will happen some day, but since I've been waiting patiently for fifteen years at this point, I am fully prepared to wait another fifteen.)

[KaiserShep]

How many threads are we going to have about Mr. Gaider and dwarf romances?

 

I guess until we get some hot dwarf NPC action, sadly.

[berelinde]

Um... at this point, it really doesn't matter if David Gaider hates dwarves or not. For one thing, he was one of several writers, not the whole team, and I'm sure he wrote lots of stuff over the years that didn't necessarily interest him personally. That's what writers do. But mostly, it's because David Gaider isn't part of the Dragon Age team anymore. However he felt about any intersection of the subsets "dwarves" and "romances," he's taken his creative input to a new franchise.

 

I'm not really sure how Patrick Weekes feels about dwarven romances, but it's probably more relevant. But hey, he did a romance for Iron Bull, so it's pretty safe to say that he's willing to consider unconventional LIs.

[thats1evildude]

But therein lies the original problem: some people are maintaining David Gaider was the single biggest roadblock to shagging Varric/Harding/Sigrun/whoever. Now that he's gone, that means dwarf sex for everyone.

 

(Unless it doesn't happen, at which point it will become Patrick Weekes' fault.)

[CronoDragoon]

Well, I do.

[berelinde]

The problem with dwarven romances is that we've always had a shortage of dwarves in the games. Varric and Sigrun are awesome and I'd bang either of them... but Varric's taken and Sigrun... IDK. After all this time, I don't really see her returning. Oghren... there is nothing I could drink to make that palatable. As for Harding... I could see it happening, or maybe with a character like her. I don't think the writers anticipated how popular she would be.

 

Those who claim there's a conspiracy to keep dwarves out of our protagonists' beds might argue, but I'm 97% convinced that the reason we haven't had a romanceable dwarf yet is simply because we haven't had a dwarven companion with the right mix of mystery and availability. Maybe next game.

 

But yeah, I'm probably missing the point. You're focused on refuting a conspiracy... and I don't really see one... so I guess I should show myself the door. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

I don't think there's some big conspiracy, but I also don't think that it's an accident that BioWare has given us full romances with forty humans, eleven aliens, eight elves, two half-elves, a Tiefling and a one-eyed Qunari ... and zero dwarves. I don't think it was until a subset of fans (of whom I am one) went nuts for Varric that BioWare even considered that more than a tiny minority of people would be interested.

 

Whether David Gaider was kidding with his 'short, stocky and hairy' remark or not - and I'm pretty sure he was - there are plenty of people who think dwarves are ugly and want nothing to do with them romantically or sexually. (That's actually the very reason I want a dwarf romance to counteract that perception. Also because Dragon Age dwarves are fascinating. And hot.)

[In Exile]

I don't think there's some big conspiracy, but I also don't think that it's an accident that BioWare has given us full romances with forty humans, eleven aliens, eight elves, two half-elves, a Tiefling and a one-eyed Qunari ... and zero dwarves. I don't think it was until a subset of fans (of whom I am one) went nuts for Varric that BioWare even considered that more than a tiny minority of people would be interested.

 

Whether David Gaider was kidding with his 'short, stocky and hairy' remark or not - and I'm pretty sure he was - there are plenty of people who think dwarves are ugly and want nothing to do with them romantically or sexually. (That's actually the very reason I want a dwarf romance to counteract that perception. Also because Dragon Age dwarves are fascinating. And hot.)

 

I don't really see how people thinking dwarves are physically unattractive will be convinced that dwarves are physically attractive by more dwarves. 

[rda]

Maybe Gaider hates dwarf romance, and maybe he doesn't.

I was just rubbed the wrong way by his recent tweet which implied he was in no way responsible for there being no dwarf romances. As the lead writer, Gaider could've created a dwarf romance. He didn't.

(And don't start with me in technical issues. If they can have IB romance every race of Quizzy, it wasn't technical aspects that prevented it.)

[pdusen]

I was just rubbed the wrong way by his recent tweet which implied he was in no way responsible for there being no dwarf romances. 

 

That wasn't what he said, and that's been pointed out to you repeatedly, so knock it off.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Aimo summed it up beautifully (as she usually does.)

 

[Andraste_Reborn]

I don't really see how people thinking dwarves are physically unattractive will be convinced that dwarves are physically attractive by more dwarves. 

 

It's about presentation and context. I know several people who walked out of The Hobbit saying 'well, I didn't think I'd ever find a dwarf attractive, but here we are!'  (I admit I may have waved my arms at that point and said 'AND NOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL!')

 

If BioWare wrote a romance as good as Alistair/Fenris/Dorian/Insert Your Favourite Here and made them look like Harding or Thorin Oakenshield I'm sure plenty of people would like it.

[rda]

That wasn't what he said, and that's been pointed out to you repeatedly, so knock it off.

Oh, so you think he took responsibility? I don't.

[pdusen]

Oh, so you think he took responsibility? I don't.

 

Believe it or not, tweets are not divided into categories of "Took responsibility for preventing dwarf romance" and "Denied responsibility for preventing dwarf romance."

[Jawzzus]

Believe it or not, tweets are not divided into categories of "Took responsibility for preventing dwarf romance" and "Denied responsibility for preventing dwarf romance."

 

We've had this discussion about logic on BSN before

[pdusen]

We've had this discussion about logic on BSN before

 

I know it, I just can't stop

[CronoDragoon]

In any case, blame The Hobbit trilogy for setting dwarf romances back a few decades.

[X Equestris]

Maybe Gaider hates dwarf romance, and maybe he doesn't.
I was just rubbed the wrong way by his recent tweet which implied he was in no way responsible for there being no dwarf romances. As the lead writer, Gaider could've created a dwarf romance. He didn't.
(And don't start with me in technical issues. If they can have IB romance every race of Quizzy, it wasn't technical aspects that prevented it.)

As I recall, Epler put in a lot of overtime hours to make sure IB could be romanced by everyone. So it was a lot of work.