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[Andraste_Reborn]

In any case, blame The Hobbit trilogy for setting dwarf romances back a few decades.

 

You obviously don't spend much time on Tumblr or AO3 ...

[In Exile]

It's about presentation and context. I know several people who walked out of The Hobbit saying 'well, I didn't think I'd ever find a dwarf attractive, but here we are!' (I admit I may have waved my arms at that point and said 'AND NOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL!')

If BioWare wrote a romance as good as Alistair/Fenris/Dorian/Insert Your Favourite Here and made them look like Harding or Thorin Oakenshield I'm sure plenty of people would like it.

Maybe that's true for others but not for me. If I find you unattractive, then there's no possible personality that would ever make you attractive. On personality alone the IB is my type. On the basis of appearance he's such a lolnope that it's the equivalent of Bioware making the furniture romanceable.

All of this is to say that I think that if people can be made to change their minds on the basis of personality then appearance was never a roadblock.

[GithCheater]

I thought the lack of dwarf romance's was all Mary Kirby's fault.  "Mary just being Mary."  

[Andraste_Reborn]

Maybe that's true for others but not for me. If I find you unattractive, then there's no possible personality that would ever make you attractive. On personality alone the IB is my type. On the basis of appearance he's such a lolnope that it's the equivalent of Bioware making the furniture romanceable.

 

Sure - there are also people who can't get past Solas being bald. And let's not forget all the people who can't cope with Cassandra's short hair and scars. Nothing wrong with individual taste. Some people will just never be into dwarves, and that's fine!

 

However, I know from watching The Hobbit in a big group that there are people who never thought they'd find a dwarf attractive until they were presented with dwarves that were designed to be attractive. I'm not saying a dwarf romance would win everyone over, but I think we'd get a few converts.

[andy6915]

You know, I definitely disagree about dwarves looking like 14 year olds. Every dwarf I've made, and every other dwarf in the series, look their age. Dwarven women are definitely much more womanly than human 14 year old girls. And the men? Dwarven men are the physical embodiments of manliness, a single male dwarf has the manliness of 2 human men rolled into one.

[Andraste_Reborn]

You know, I definitely disagree about dwarves looking like 14 year olds. Every dwarf I've made, and every other dwarf in the series, look their age. Dwarven women are definitely much more womanly than human 14 year old girls. And the men? Dwarven men are the physical embodiments of manliness, a single male dwarf has the manliness of 2 human men rolled into one.

 

Yeah, I always found that a weird argument. I mean, I know David Gaider was speaking about one very specific character somebody deliberately made to look young, but even so, no Dragon Age dwarf woman has ever looked like a fourteen-year-old to me. They're too, um, shapely. Female elves look a lot more like teenagers to my eyes.

[tanuki]

full romances with forty humans, eleven aliens, eight elves, two half-elves, a Tiefling and a one-eyed Qunari ... and zero dwarves. 

I counted 37 humans, 7 elves and no tiefling?

*scratches head* Did I miss some game? (took into account JE, KOTOR, SWTOR, ME, DA, BG, NWN)

 

...yes, I was bored and actually tried to count.

 

EDIT: 38 humans, if Sebastian counts. Always forget about him.

[Wulfram]

I guess Hordes of the Underdark accounts for a tiefling

I counted 37 humans, 7 elves and no tiefling?
*scratches head* Did I miss some game? (took into account JE, KOTOR, SWTOR, ME, DA, BG, NWN)
 
...yes, I was bored and actually tried to count.
 
EDIT: 38 humans, if Sebastian counts. Always forget about him.

I think you're missing Hordes of the Underdark?

[perfect_victime]

I go with the eewwww

[tanuki]

I guess Hordes of the Underdark accounts for a tiefling
I think you're missing Hordes of the Underdark?

Was there any romance? I remember playing it once... but nothing more

[MaxQuartiroli]

Was there any romance? I remember playing it once... but nothing more

 

Nathyrra (female drow), Valen (male tiefling) and Aribeth (female half-elf). So, even drows and tieflings had their romances, but not dwarves.

[tanuki]

Nathyrra (female drow), Valen (male tiefling) and Aribeth (female half-elf). So, even drows and tieflings had their romances, but not dwarves.

Aha, I see, thanks  . Although I counted Aribeth, as she is a romance in the original campaign.

[Andraste_Reborn]

For the record, this is what I'm basing my numbers on. Let me know if I left anyone out or miscounted anything.

 

Spoiler

 

Humans:

 

Anomen Delryn (BG2)
Aarin Gend (Neverwinter Nights OC)
Carth Onasi (KotOR)
Bastila Shan (KotOR)
Sky (Jade Empire)
Dawn Star (Jade Empire)
Silk Fox (Jade Empire)
Ashley Williams (Mass Effect)
Kaidan Alenko (Mass Effect)
Miranda Lawson (Mass Effect)
Jacob Taylor (Mass Effect)
Jack (Mass Effect)
Steve Cortez (Mass Effect)
Samantha Traynor (Mass Effect)
Andronikos Revel (TOR)
Jaesa Willsaam (TOR)
Malvai Quinn (TOR)
Pierce (TOR)
Mako (TOR)
Torian Cadera (TOR)
Raina Temple (TOR)
Vector Hyliss (TOR)
Kira Carsen (TOR)
Doc (TOR)
Theren Cedrex (TOR)
Felix Iresso (TOR)
Elara Dorne (TOR)
Corso Riggs (TOR)
Risa (TOR)
Alistair Theirin (Dragon Age)
Morrigan (Dragon Age)
Leliana (Dragon Age)
Anders (Dragon Age)
Isabela (Dragon Age)
Sebastian Vael (Dragon Age)
Cassandra Pentaghast (Dragon Age)
Josephine Montilyet (Dragon Age)
Cullen Rutherford (Dragon Age)
Dorian Pavus (Dragon Age)
Blackwall (Dragon Age)

 

Aliens:

Juhani (KotOR)
Liara T'Soni (Mass Effect)
Garrus Varkarian (Mass Effect)
Tali (Mass Effect)
Thane (Mass Effect)
Ashara Zavros (TOR)
Vette (TOR)
Kaliyo Djannis (TOR)
Nadia Grell (TOR)
Aric Jorgan (TOR)
Akavi Spar (TOR)

 

Elves:

 

Aerie (BG2)
Viconia (BG2)
Nathyra (NWN Expansions)
Zevran (Dragon Age)
Merill (Dragon Age)
Fenris (Dragon Age)
Sera (Dragon Age)
Solas (Dragon Age)

 

Half-Elves:

Jaheira (BG2)
Aribeth de Tylmarande (NWN)

 

A Tiefling:

Valen Shadowbreath (NWN Expansions)

 

... and a one-eyed Qunari:

The Iron Bull (Dragon Age)

 

 

I only counted characters you can have some kind of ongoing relationship with, and only people who have roughly the same amount of content as the other romances in the game (i.e. they give the relevant romance achievement, you have an endgame scene with them, etc.) There are a bunch of other characters you can flirt with or sleep with in many of these games, but BioWare doesn't seem to designate them as 'full' romances.

[tanuki]

For the record, this is what I'm basing my numbers on. Let me know if I left anyone out or miscounted anything.

 

Thank you! I think your list is complete. I see I missed Tharan Cedrax in my calculations and probably miscalculated as I initially counted 38 humans total. (And I didn't remember romances in Hordes of the Underdark but people pointed that out for me )

[MaxQuartiroli]

I only counted characters you can have some kind of ongoing relationship with, and only people who have roughly the same amount of content as the other romances in the game (i.e. they give the relevant romance achievement, you have an endgame scene with them, etc.) There are a bunch of other characters you can flirt with or sleep with in many of these games, but BioWare doesn't seem to designate them as 'full' romances.

 

I think that you should either remove Juhani (considering that she doesn't get a proper ending to her romance like Bastila and Carver did) or add Kelly from ME (if you stil consider Juhani a valid option, since they were handled more or less in the same way)

[turuzzusapatuttu]

I think that you should either remove Juhani (considering that she doesn't get a proper ending to her romance like Bastila and Carver did) or add Kelly from ME (if you stil consider Juhani a valid option, since they were handled more or less in the same way)

 

Kelly Chambers? She's definitely a romance option. In ME3, if you successfully pursue a romance with her, you are even granted the "Paramour Achievement".

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think that you should either remove Juhani (considering that she doesn't get a proper ending to her romance like Bastila and Carver did) or add Kelly from ME (if you stil consider Juhani a valid option, since they were handled more or less in the same way)

 

I never realized that Juhani got less content than Bastila and Carth, since she's the only character I've romanced in KotOR. (Normally I'd go for the dude first, but Carth is one of the few BioWare love interests I just can't stand.) What do they get that Juhani doesn't?

 

Kelly Chambers? She's definitely a romance option. In ME3, if you successfully pursue a romance with her, you are even granted the "Paramour Achievement".

 

I was going by ME2, where you don't get the achievement for her, but if that's the case then she probably should count.

 

So if we took out Juhani and added Kelly that would make forty-one humans and ten aliens. (And this is really off-topic, since we all seem to agree that there aren't any dwarves that belong on the list ...)

[Suledin]

How many threads are we going to have about Mr. Gaider and dwarf romances?

Indeed...it's getting ridiculous. 

[MaxQuartiroli]

I never realized that Juhani got less content than Bastila and Carth, since she's the only character I've romanced in KotOR. (Normally I'd go for the dude first, but Carth is one of the few BioWare love interests I just can't stand.) What do they get that Juhani doesn't?

 

Well.. unlike the other two she has not a proper romance "final moment". You get to confess the mutual feelings during a dialogue on the spaceship and that's all of it. No further moments or acknowledgement during the last part of the game. At the opposite both Bastila and Carter have a proper romance scene during the last mission were they can express their love for you in an explicit way.

[Rolenka]

How many threads are we going to have about Mr. Gaider and dwarf romances?

 

As many as it takes!

[Gilsa]

No real discussion here. I'm just tired of seeing this rehashed over and over, and I hope that this thread title might pop up when someone does a Google search for evidence to support this false claim.

Oh, good idea. I'll toss in a post he made on a very old forum before DAO was released. Link is no longer available so it's just the screencap at this point. The original thread was about love interests and someone had expressed reservations on the idea of characters romancing outside of their races.



Obviously this prophecy isn't going to happen under his watch, but he's been supportive of dwarves from the get-go. The dialogue he's written all along support this attitude beginning with Alistair dismissing the idea of racial differences as an issue and ending with Dorian cheering on the dwarven inquisitor towards breaking down stereotypes.

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

No real discussion here. I'm just tired of seeing this rehashed over and over...(HALT)

I find this hilarious because you do realize you just re-opened long closed topic again and started long closed topic again for who knows what time,being one in hundred who made this topic you know that right?Damn you troll better then me I should pay you for lessons lol

[canarius]

Mr. Gaider hating on Dwarf Romances is very ironic.