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[Qun00]

Yes, I'm aware that there would be no repercussion in the game itself. I'm only interested in discussing the reasoning from a character's point of view.

Perhaps it could've been done right in the beginning, with an official statement refuting the rumors spreading in Haven. But truth is that time passed, and the Inquisition's reputation was mainly built on that belief.

It's like a lie that is perpetuated for so long that it's too late to go back. If the Inquisitor denies it all after the organisation expanded while having this as one of its pillars, people won't care if the former claims to have been against the idea all along.

As far as they're concerned, the Inquisition allowed them to believe it, and much support would be lost. Possibly other consequences I might be overlooking.

A leader can't always afford to be selfish.

[Siha]

It's definitely a bad idea if the Chantry offers tax benefits to a divine representative.

 

Sorry, I don't think I understand the question.

 

The Inquisitor never has a chance to influence anything. Even if refusing the idea from the beginning all people around him decide to keep it up anyway.

[Qun00]

It's definitely a bad idea if the Chantry offers tax benefits to a divine representative.
 
Sorry, I don't think I understand the question.
 
The Inquisitor never has a chance to influence anything. Even if refusing the idea from the beginning all people around him decide to keep it up anyway.

I'm asking this from a roleplay perspective. The Inquisitor, as a character, does not possess metagaming knowledge.

Would a person in that position consider it wise? That is the question.

[Cee]

Both Josephine and Mother Giselle talk about the political expediency of letting the people think what they will, and not dissuading the rumor completely. But for my Inquisitor, proclaiming her belief in the gods of her people (the Dalish) was important to her, and a good idea since this took over a lot of her life anyway and people continued to believe the Herald thing if they wanted. She was already a Dalish elf with her own religion, so there would be some natural skepticism and weirdness toward her from some of the people anyway.

[Pokemario]

It could be,yes.

The Chantry thinks that you're a heretic.  If you deny being the Herald,relationship between the Inquisition and the Chantry might get a little better,though you would lose some of the faithful.

[Junebug]

On my first playthrough, my character didn't like being called Herald but my advisers convinced me that it would be a great image of hope in a time of chaos. I think it's important to have a leader in a time like that but if it were me in the Inquisitor's position...I don't know if I'd wanna be that person. I don't think anyone without ulterior motives truly does. It's a heavy burden to carry to lead an entire organized religion, especially if you don't believe in it. Mythal forbid you're a non-Human. I'd imagine that would be like having a non-Christian President trying to lead America (pffffft, that'll never happen within my lifetime).

[Sable Rhapsody]

Politically wise, maybe not.  But IMO if you're playing a Dalish Inquisitor, or one who has doubts about the Chantry and the Maker in general, it's one of the few ways in which quizzy can push back and really exert who s/he is as a person.  Considering how much crap any video game PC has to go through, it's probably helpful for the PC's personal sanity to put their foot down every now and then.

[Siha]

I'm asking this from a roleplay perspective. The Inquisitor, as a character, does not possess metagaming knowledge.

Would a person in that position consider it wise? That is the question.

 

Well, see how it starts: you are somebody (nobody, sort of), suddenly find yourself in the custody of an organization you might never have heard of before. Strangely aggressive people tell you that you are suspected of murder and the only thing keeping them from letting you rot in that cell is the green glowing mark on your hand. Which you didn't have before and don't remember acquiring. And they inform you how some folks think it might be divine, making you a sole survivor sent, or at least blessed, by Andraste. You aren't the Inquisitor yet, or a political figure. So I assume your answer is based on one thing only -- do/can you believe or not?

 

You could start out with "What silly nonsense is that?", "Oh, that totally makes sense.", "Now that you mention it, I did feel a bit weird this morning.", or "You think? I dunno...", whatever type you are (or roleplay). I don't think any bigger picture or overarching consideration must necessarily be considered at that point. 

 

And later on, as I said, it does not matter anymore. You can rant about how silly it all is behind closed doors in Skyhold, but that's pretty much about it.

[Qun00]

Well, see how it starts: you are somebody (nobody, sort of), suddenly find yourself in the custody of an organization you might never have heard of before. Strangely aggressive people tell you that you are suspected of murder and the only thing keeping them from letting you rot in that cell is the green glowing mark on your hand. Which you didn't have before and don't remember acquiring. And they inform you how some folks think it might be divine, making you a sole survivor sent, or at least blessed, by Andraste. You aren't the Inquisitor yet, or a political figure. So I assume your answer is based on one thing only -- do/can you believe or not?
 
You could start out with "What silly nonsense is that?", "Oh, that totally makes sense.", "Now that you mention it, I did feel a bit weird this morning.", or "You think? I dunno...", whatever type you are (or roleplay). I don't think any bigger picture or overarching consideration must necessarily be considered at that point. 
 
And later on, as I said, it does not matter anymore. You can rant about how silly it all is behind closed doors in Skyhold, but that's pretty much about it.

I'm not referring to Haven, but your character as the Inquisitor.

[Siha]

I'm not referring to Haven, but your character as the Inquisitor.

 
You started out with "Perhaps it could've been done right in the beginning, with an official statement refuting the rumors spreading in Haven.", hence I mentioned the first reaction, which would be in Haven.
You went on with "But truth is that time passed, and the Inquisition's reputation was mainly built on that belief.", so I also mentioned changing your initial response (which cannot be avoided) later.

If both is not what I should have commented on, I guess I really don't understand what you wish to hear.

[SgtSteel91]

People will just think your being humble and not letting the title go to your head.

 

And after In Hushed Whispers/Champions of Just Josephine asks you if you're the Herald or not to tell the Chantry. Even when you say no, she says that the Chantry may not believe it.

 

Also, getting elected Inquisitor was also built on single-handedly recruiting the Mages/Templars to close the Breach, then defending Haven and living. You prove you're a good leader as much as (or as little as) being 'chosen'

[Qun00]

You started out with "Perhaps it could've been done right in the beginning, with an official statement refuting the rumors spreading in Haven.", hence I mentioned the first reaction, which would be in Haven.
You went on with "But truth is that time passed, and the Inquisition's reputation was mainly built on that belief.", so I also mentioned changing your initial response (which cannot be avoided) later.
If both is not what I should have commented on, I guess I really don't understand what you wish to hear.

I was just part of the explanation for why it's too late to revert things after Skyhold.

So yeah, it's there but not really the main focus.

[Siha]

I was just part of the explanation for why it's too late to revert things after Skyhold.

 

Which is why I spoke about the initial reaction, which happens in Haven, before you become Inquisitor and act as such. No?

[SgtSteel91]

If people are going to pull out their support to the one group who's trying to fight Demons and a Darkspawn Magister because they weren't following their messiah, then screw them. Help me because I'm the one who's trying to bring order back, not because I'm the "Herald of Andraste."

[andy6915]

Both Josephine and Mother Giselle talk about the political expediency of letting the people think what they will, and not dissuading the rumor completely. But for my Inquisitor, proclaiming her belief in the gods of her people (the Dalish) was important to her, and a good idea since this took over a lot of her life anyway and people continued to believe the Herald thing if they wanted. She was already a Dalish elf with her own religion, so there would be some natural skepticism and weirdness toward her from some of the people anyway.

 

Makes me think, maybe a Dalish wouldn't mind being Andraste's herald. Maker or not, she did help to free the elves from slavery which means being her herald isn't exactly disrespecting your elven ancestors. The Maker's herald would be a "hell no", but a Dalish might not mind being the herald of the one who helped their people.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Makes me think, maybe a Dalish wouldn't mind being Andraste's herald. Maker or not, she did help to free the elves from slavery which means being her herald isn't exactly disrespecting your elven ancestors. The Maker's herald would be a "hell no", but a Dalish might not mind being the herald of the one who helped their people.

 

But that's not what the faithful mean by Andraste's Herald.  They mean it in a rather different way: Andraste sent YOU to save US.  Which is a very understandable response to the sky literally falling, but kind of a selfish one 

 

It could work for a Dalish elf who believed in both Andraste and the Creators, though.

Spoiler

Like Ameridan did.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Iron Bull makes a good point that while for a lot of people the Inquisitor being the Herald of Andraste is inspiring and important, but for others though they probably don't give a rat's ass and would actually be turned off by the title.

 

Honestly, though the Inquisitor doesn't really need the title. They already have the admiration of the people by the very fact that they have the Anchor and by the fact that they are only person in the world capable of closing the Breach. 

[Lady Artifice]

Would a person in that position consider it wise? That is the question.

 

Yes. Plenty of people could consider that wise. Some people would alternatively question the wisdom of actually allowing yourself to be declared a messiah when you don't really know if you can help in a permanent way. For just one reason, the chantry already hates you and the people are fickle. I'd be very paranoid in the Inquisitor's place.

[Korva]

Denying it could indeed help improve the relationship with the Chantry. I do wish that it was possible to argue about the theological aspects of it with someone, seeing as how it seems to fly in the face of the accepted doctrine that the Maker has abadoned the world. It's understandable that common people, reeling from the shock and grief of the Conclave disaster, fearing the giant hole in the sky means the end of the world, would latch on to any source of hope. But it's weird that (some) Chantry folk and other more educated believers hop on the bandwagon too without anyone ever pointing out that it's kind of against their own teachings.

[draken-heart]

I honestly think that this is up to whatever RP/headcanon you give to the character. A Dalish who would feel like it would be rude to burst the collective bubble of the faithful may not see it as a good idea. A Qunari atheist who does not care about religion or whatnot may not care in the slightest.

[Uccio]

I'm asking this from a roleplay perspective. The Inquisitor, as a character, does not possess metagaming knowledge.

Would a person in that position consider it wise? That is the question.

 

The problem is, there is no roplepay option. You can deny and it mildly affect the discussions. Outside that everyone acts like you had declared yourself jebus 2.0.

 

For the idea. I think only human mundane could be a person to actually think going with the flow is a good idea. Non-humans and mages have every reason not to take up the mantle.

[Panda]

If it's against Inquisitor's personality and goals it's good to deny it. My Dalish elf doesn't even believe that Maker exists so people claiming that she's Herald of Andraste is like insult to her everytime she hears it. Being herald of Andraste would go against her goals as well as Inquisitor which is representing elves and hating Chantry.

[Beregond5]

It really depends on how you headcannon your character. I had a character who would declare to everyone outside the Inquisition that, yes, they were chosen, because they thought that posturing was important (like Solas said) but completely deny it when conversing with their companions - they even tell Sera 'the world needs doubters like you'. A character who you imagine has been raised with the Andrastian faith in mind could very well pull a Joan of Arc (or a John of Arc, if you will. ) . I even had a character who just flat-out says, when questioned, 'I don't know.' It still didn't make much of a difference in the end. Before Here Lies The Abyss, everyone believes that you were blessed by Andraste, no matter what you say, but after the big reveal, they go 'Ah, but the Maker made sure that you were in the right place at the right time to thwart the plans of the darkness!'. So, then, you can either accept that - or potentially imagine your character facepalm inwardly . Either way, I'm not sure there's a 'right' or 'wrong' choice; it's all a matter of how you want to play your character.