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Is denying the title of Herald of Andraste such a good idea?


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Initially denying it could be an advantage based on the humility aspect. Instantly accepting it might be seen as a power-grab. Later on after so many miracles have occurred denying it could work against you.

 

My canon pc didn't believe it at first but accepted the role at the end of Champions of the Just by choosing the "Andraste sent me to you" option. She then decided she'd be the Herald of Andraste even with doubts on its validity. The problem was the game never adjusted to this choice while continuing to provide "I'm Andraste's Herald" options based on being faithful; not on actually believing it. DA:I never took the hint that the character no longer didn't believe. Apparently the last check for if you believe or not is when meeting the clerics in Val Royeaux; very early in the game. It's stupid.


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Eh, I try to stay away from the title but I'm not a jerk about it towards believers. If your inquisitor goes around saying they aren't the Herald and berate those who believe, your inquisitor hat needs to turn into a Fedora.



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Yes, I'm aware that there would be no repercussion in the game itself. I'm only interested in discussing the reasoning from a character's point of view.

Perhaps it could've been done right in the beginning, with an official statement refuting the rumors spreading in Haven. But truth is that time passed, and the Inquisition's reputation was mainly built on that belief.

It's like a lie that is perpetuated for so long that it's too late to go back. If the Inquisitor denies it all after the organisation expanded while having this as one of its pillars, people won't care if the former claims to have been against the idea all along.

As far as they're concerned, the Inquisition allowed them to believe it, and much support would be lost. Possibly other consequences I might be overlooking.

A leader can't always afford to be selfish.

It probably is a bad idea, because most of Thedas is Theocratic, anyone who thinks different than the orthodoxy gets kindling thrown beneath their feet. If I had the option in game, after the rift crisis, I would have my Inquisitor liquidate the Inquisition, and just go off and close whatever rifts are left. People may still think of him as Herald, but at least then he does not have to be the new Chantry's pawn.



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I prefer to remain uncertain and roll with it. I refuse to affirm, but see little point in putting any real effort in denial.

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Support would be lost?

 

Alright. Why don't I just bring Corypheus back from the Fade, then.

 

My Inquisitor told everyone in Val Royeaux loud and clear that he's not a Herald and that he's just doing this to get rid of the giant hole in the sky and the fool behind its opening. If they were convinced and 'deceived' by rumors that's their fault. Herald or not, the fact of the matter is Corypheus was defeated, the Inquisitor put a stop to the Mage-Templar war (temporary or otherwise), and order was restored. So their feelings really don't matter.



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It really depends on the way the Inquisitor views the world and how much of a political animal they are.    Take the two different approaches of my Dalish Inquisitors.

 

The first believed whole heartedly in his elven gods but had to admit they hadn't done much for his people in the last two thousand years.   He admired Andraste, just as he admired Shartan, so wasn't totally against being called her Herald as he didn't regard that as a making him holy.   Nevertheless, if anyone had asked him, which on the whole they didn't, he would have just as easily believed it was Mythal who was behind him in the Fade and returning to her People as Andraste (since he has Mythal's vallaslin on his face).   Much of the time when asked about what he believed, he would answer "no comment".    Eventually he just sighed and stopped fighting it, since everyone seemed happy to believe what they would.  When they discovered in the Fade that it wasn't Andraste, he wasn't bothered at all and virtually said "told you so".     By the end, he isn't sure what to believe any more.    His estimation of the elven gods has gone down and so he takes his lead from his lover Dorian, it is reassuring to think that there is a Maker out there somewhere because otherwise you may as well believe in nothing.    After JoH he has renewed disgust for the Chantry.

 

The second was already cynical about the elven gods when he left his clan (probably the reason the Keeper sent him).   He decided that it might be expedient to go along with the general feeling, although I wouldn't call him a believer (more an agnostic believer).   From the game mechanics point of view, though, when asked to declare either belief or non belief after Haven, I went with belief to see how different it would be.   He also used the Andrastrian throne, because he acknowledged the value of symbols, which got approval in some quarters.   When asked if he had a message for the faithful he declared that he spoke for the Maker because having done a few controversial things, it helps if the people think you have the Maker's backing. When it was revealed that it wasn't Andraste in the Fade, he suggested to Mother Giselle that perhaps they ought to tell people the truth, but she was adamant they shouldn't.    So he just carried on, showing people mercy in the Maker's name and waiting for the day when someone calls him out (or the Maker hits him with a thunderbolt).    At the end he was able to declare "I'm the Maker's chosen" to Corypheus in front of everyone just before he wiped the floor with him, so at the moment he's riding high on his reputation.   I await to see whether things pan out differently in JoH for a believer.   

 

So, two Dalish Inquisitors, two different approaches but both use the title to further their own agenda; it is just the first is more cautious in how much he uses his reputation than the second.   Both fully expect the people to turn on them eventually because of historical precedent.



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Eh, I try to stay away from the title but I'm not a jerk about it towards believers. If your inquisitor goes around saying they aren't the Herald and berate those who believe, your inquisitor hat needs to turn into a Fedora.

 

A Fedora would go great with my elf ears  :lol:

 

In all seriousness, I think quizzy can deny being the Herald without being an ass about it.  Though mine was kind of an ass from time to time.  Not out of spite, but out of fear.  The thought of being divinely chosen for anything scared the everloving daylights out of her.



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I've role-played both. I enjoy playing the skeptic more from a roleplaying perspective. 

 

Of my "faithful" inquisitors:

 

Andrastrian dwarf who's taken the title to cement her power (IB romance)

Faithful human male who's an arrogant ass, but truly believes he's doing the Maker's work (Dorianmance)

Faithful human female Templar -- virulent racist, wants to rebuild Chantry to crush all the heathens, rebuild templars to hunt mages and murder them all (Seramance; she'll be dumped since my Trev is just using her for sex, LOL)

 

I've been thinking about making my elf necromancer who accepts the title out of fear



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I always went for lines like "I'm just here to help,". Not confirming, but letting people think what they want.
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It really depends on the way the Inquisitor views the world and how much of a political animal they are.    Take the two different approaches of my Dalish Inquisitors.
 
The first believed whole heartedly in his elven gods but had to admit they hadn't done much for his people in the last two thousand years.   He admired Andraste, just as he admired Shartan, so wasn't totally against being called her Herald as he didn't regard that as a making him holy.   Nevertheless, if anyone had asked him, which on the whole they didn't, he would have just as easily believed it was Mythal who was behind him in the Fade and returning to her People as Andraste (since he has Mythal's vallaslin on his face).   Much of the time when asked about what he believed, he would answer "no comment".    Eventually he just sighed and stopped fighting it, since everyone seemed happy to believe what they would.  When they discovered in the Fade that it wasn't Andraste, he wasn't bothered at all and virtually said "told you so".     By the end, he isn't sure what to believe any more.    His estimation of the elven gods has gone down and so he takes his lead from his lover Dorian, it is reassuring to think that there is a Maker out there somewhere because otherwise you may as well believe in nothing.    After JoH he has renewed disgust for the Chantry.
 
The second was already cynical about the elven gods when he left his clan (probably the reason the Keeper sent him).   He decided that it might be expedient to go along with the general feeling, although I wouldn't call him a believer (more an agnostic believer).   From the game mechanics point of view, though, when asked to declare either belief or non belief after Haven, I went with belief to see how different it would be.   He also used the Andrastrian throne, because he acknowledged the value of symbols, which got approval in some quarters.   When asked if he had a message for the faithful he declared that he spoke for the Maker because having done a few controversial things, it helps if the people think you have the Maker's backing. When it was revealed that it wasn't Andraste in the Fade, he suggested to Mother Giselle that perhaps they ought to tell people the truth, but she was adamant they shouldn't.    So he just carried on, showing people mercy in the Maker's name and waiting for the day when someone calls him out (or the Maker hits him with a thunderbolt).    At the end he was able to declare "I'm the Maker's chosen" to Corypheus in front of everyone just before he wiped the floor with him, so at the moment he's riding high on his reputation.   I await to see whether things pan out differently in JoH for a believer.   
 
So, two Dalish Inquisitors, two different approaches but both use the title to further their own agenda; it is just the first is more cautious in how much he uses his reputation than the second.   Both fully expect the people to turn on them eventually because of historical precedent.


The two sound like the same to me.