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[RustyBuckets02]

I did not ignore any advice on builds. I mentioned on page 3 that I don't put points into Overload on TGI, and then the holy war started.
By the way, I've played GE yesterday as per recommendation, but I specced out of Hunter Mode and it was the right decision. With HM, he's too squishy on Gold. And the overlay obscures vision more than it helps it.

I suspected you probably did. Like I said, everyone makes the same mistake when they're starting out. I did too, but I learnt from listening to people here to try hunter mode again and never looked back.

Unless it gives you a headache.

As for overload, good advice given aggressively is still good advice.

[GruntKitterhand]

He's just inexperienced. Come on, he played about 260 hours only. And already wants to pug platinum. I have not even ventured into platinum seriously up until 400 hours.

 

If you believe that, good luck to you.  He's a troll, pure and simple, and loves the attention.  He did this kind of thing once before, and is probably smearing himself in peanut butter as he reads this.

 

How do you know he doesn't have a BotB banner on one of the consoles?  He could be iiiiiiiiiiiFuckingRex from PSN for all I know (or care).  If he's as inexperienced as you believe, there's no excuse for the strength of his opinions, often presented as fact, while he complains that BSN are collectively rude to him.  He is either 12 years old or suffers from a psychological disorder.  Or is just stupid.  As are we for indulging him.

[HusarX]

Volus Sentinel + Arc Pistol.

[JGDD]

[...] and is probably smearing himself in peanut butter as he reads this.

You had me right there.

[Deerber]

but I specced out of Hunter Mode and it was the right decision.

Trust me, it was not

[DarkOrgasm]

I've started PUGging Plat. Naturally, my best kits are Reegar AIU and Harrier TGI. But they get boring very fast. Also, the AIU's lack of  long-range damage capability is annoying so I'm pretty much limited to TGI. And Harrier's requirement to be hugging the ammo box 90% of the time is a pain. I tried PPR TGI, but it doesn't work. But back on topic: what would you call the most viable Platinum kits that don't require any special skills?

You could argue that this is a silly question because no one knows what kits I play best better than me. But the thing is that there are LOTS of characters I enjoy on Gold, but am simply afraid to try on Plat because they're either very squishy or may not be powerful enough for Plat (or both). Examples of the former category are Asari Justicar, Huntress, Fury, Valkyrie. The latter - ADAS Quarksman "The Geth Buster" (only good vs. Geth while Platinum features all the factions at once), HSol (not enough ammo for Harrier, probably not enough damage with any other weapon), Flamer Vorcha, N7 Shadow, shotgun Cabal Vanguard.

 

So, what characters are you most comfortable with on Platinum?

P. S. I'd prefer builds that don't feature Claymore (don't like it), Venom and Talon (don't have those).

Based on your manifest you should be pugging Bronze. You barely have the ability to solo Bronze from what I see. Not having basic survivability skills, spawn control, knowledge of all maps and how best to use soft cover is your biggest demise. Until you can show you can play the game with this in mind, you asking the community for advice and then not taking it or ignoring it and arguing against issues that you cant demonstrate otherwise is just wrong.

 

If I were you I would get down on my knees and go to the Bank of Crash to get a withdrawal and spend those credits wisely so you have a better manifest in which to talk about this game with others and perhaps enlighten your playing skills, because they dwell more on the troll side than anything else.

 

Sorry, but its true

[frank_is_crank]

I wanted to read through this thread, maybe give some advice to OP but then I had no time because I had to watch this vid:

 

[LuckyStarr]

If he's as inexperienced as you believe, there's no excuse for the strength of his opinions

My strong opinions are backed up by reasoning. Show me wrong by pointing out the mistakes in my line of reasoning. That's how you teach - by demonstrating causal relationship. That's how you learn - by understanding causal relationship. You don't learn by memorizing the fact that, say, Overload is good. Without understanding when it's good, why it's good, how to use it in every given situation, it's not knowledge. It's garbage.

 

9 of 10 BSNers choose to smack instead of teaching - and it's fine, 90% humans are useless anyway. Just don't for a moment think you're "spreading knowledge" or "sharing collective experience".

 

 

Trust me, it was not

Under the circumstances, I think it was. I played Geth with HM numerous times on Silver and then Gold. Not a lot, but many times. I like the damage boost, but I don't like the negative side effects. And I don't like Geth vision, either. It can be slightly useful, or it can be plenty obscuring. Maybe it's awesome in the right hands. I just don't like it.

 

 

Based on your manifest you should be pugging Bronze.

Let me clarify: I should be pugging Bronze until all my URs are lvl 10? Are you sure you were looking at my manifest? It's right down in the signature. It's not bad. I spend credits pretty darn wisely, I knew from day 1 which packages to buy when. Pretty sure you were looking at someone else's manifest.

[DarkOrgasm]

My strong opinions are backed up by reasoning. Show me wrong by pointing out the mistakes in my line of reasoning. That's how you teach - by demonstrating causal relationship. That's how you learn - by understanding causal relationship. You don't learn by memorizing the fact that, say, Overload is good. Without understanding when it's good, why it's good, how to use it in every given situation, it's not knowledge. It's garbage.

 

9 of 10 BSNers choose to smack instead of teaching - and it's fine, 90% humans are useless anyway. Just don't for a moment think you're "spreading knowledge" or "sharing collective experience".

But your reasoning is flawed by a manifest that is not complete and thus you can never use all weapons and powers in a way that someone who does can. You have not played 600 hrs or more on Gold to even see the things the community is trying to tell you about, much less Platinum, yet BSN opinions come from that place, so you disagree with our stance, not to mention that after 3 yrs of being out and most everything has been data mines and anything you wish to know is in a sticky thread and explained, you are wrong, and yet you are only right by virtue of  the limited games you have played, so your reasoning is limited. So start playing more so you have actual experience to see  how the help and opinions of many here have sought to show you.

[DarkOrgasm]

 

Under the circumstances, I think it was. I played Geth with HM numerous times on Silver and then Gold. Not a lot, but many times. I like the damage boost, but I don't like the negative side effects. And I don't like Geth vision, either. It can be slightly useful, or it can be plenty obscuring. Maybe it's awesome in the right hands. I just don't like it.

 

 

Let me clarify: I should be pugging Bronze until all my URs are lvl 10? Are you sure you were looking at my manifest? It's right down in the signature. It's not bad. I spend credits pretty darn wisely, I knew from day 1 which packages to buy when. Pretty sure you were looking at someone else's manifest.

Yes I am looking at your manifest from the link. You have a few URs which most of them under the rank of 5 are not that good. A level X Gold weapon is better in most cases. Most of everything you rail against as being recommended as good to you is so easily dismissed as " I dont like it blah blah"

 

How is that learning, and if you keep that attitude, how will you ever do a Silver or Gold solo, when everything you seem to play is only appealing to your elementary approach to playing this game?

[LuckyStarr]

I'm pretty sure I can solo Silver, thank you very much.

And no, dismissing is not learning, but facts are hard to deny. I play better without Geth vision than with it - hard fact established on multiple occasions not long ago. It may change in the future, but for now I don't see a point banging my head against a wall repeatedly. You fail to see a simple truth: saying "character X is great" doesn't give a person who doesn't know how to play this character any useful information other than it's good for someone out there.

[DarkOrgasm]

I'm pretty sure I can solo Silver, thank you very much.

And no, dismissing is not learning, but facts are hard to deny. I play better without Geth vision than with it - hard fact established on multiple occasions not long ago. It may change in the future, but for now I don't see a point banging my head against a wall repeatedly. You fail to see a simple truth: saying "character X is great" doesn't give a person who doesn't know how to play this character any useful information.

and since you wont you will never know

 

then go do 5 silver solos so when I look at your manifest, it shows you can, not *pretty sure*

[LuckyStarr]

then go do 5 silver solos so when I look at your manifest, it shows you can, not *pretty sure*

I need 3, not 5. They propagate backwards, same as map mastery challenges.

[DarkOrgasm]

I need 3, not 5. They propagate backwards, same as map mastery challenges.

Right, you need 5 silver solos and that will also give you 5 bronze solos too

[LuckyStarr]

Right, you need 5 silver solos and that will also give you 5 bronze solos too

2 gold + 3 silver + 2 more bronze will complete the challenge for me.

[DarkOrgasm]

2 gold + 3 silver + 2 more bronze will complete the challenge for me.

it doesn't seem like that's coming anytime soon though with you poo pooing many BSN suggestions. Prove me wrong

[NuclearTech76]

2 gold + 3 silver + 2 more bronze will complete the challenge for me.

Do it. It should be ridiculously easy. 

[Miniditka77]

If you believe that, good luck to you.  He's a troll, pure and simple, and loves the attention.  He did this kind of thing once before, and is probably smearing himself in peanut butter as he reads this.

 

How do you know he doesn't have a BotB banner on one of the consoles?  He could be iiiiiiiiiiiFuckingRex from PSN for all I know (or care).  If he's as inexperienced as you believe, there's no excuse for the strength of his opinions, often presented as fact, while he complains that BSN are collectively rude to him.  He is either 12 years old or suffers from a psychological disorder.  Or is just stupid.  As are we for indulging him.

 

He totally could be a troll, but trolls don't usually have enough discipline to keep the poker face going for that long.  I think his strong opinions come from a combination of inexperience and a contrarian attitude.  When I started posting here, I absorbed as much as I could because I knew the people who were feeding the information were better than me and knew the most effective ways to play the game.  He doesn't have that same attitude, and probably should.

 

And hey, it's possible some of the stuff he's saying is accurate.  He may actually do better in Gold with the GE by skipping Hunter Mode, because maybe he can't deal with the reduced shields.  Honestly, I never take my GE to Gold without at least a Cyclonic II, unless I know I'm in a lobby with good players.  Not sure how you would do better with the TGI without Overload, but maybe if you're using the PPR or something.... I don't know.  It seems to me that his problem is that he's confusing "this works best for me at my current skill level" with "this is the best way to do it."

[RustyBuckets02]

And no, dismissing is not learning, but facts are hard to deny.

If it's facts you're after (and I'm aware I could be wasting my time here), based on a TGI specced for weapon damage with full damage overload and level III armour piercing rounds, assault rifle amp and power amp:

A single overload out of cloak will do around 4700 points of damage to barriers or shields, equivalent to 12 harrier X shots (or 5 head shots) out of cloak and in a fraction of the time. That will pretty much fry a phantom's barriers on platinum and take a decent chunk out of other bosses' defences.

You complained you had to hug ammo boxes with the harrier, and there's your solution. Overload plus a quick burst of fire will take down most shielded mooks faster than the harrier alone, and you'll use a lot less ammo against bosses.

Sure you don't *need* overload to make the kit work, the TGI is absurdly powerful with a harrier. But overload will greatly improve your damage against most bosses, and there's plenty of them on platinum.

4 in stim packs and fitness is enough to free up the points for overload. I should add that the crowd control from hitting extra targets with overload is more useful than shield damage for other kits, but I don't find that so important for the TGI.

As for hunter mode, there's no way around the screen overlay of that hurts your eyes. But the shield reduction only applies to base shields, and won't reduce the extra shields from fitness, cyclonics and the like, so Geth kits don't have to be that squishy with hunter mode on.

Hope that helps you see what people are talking about.
Numbers were taken from kalence.

[GruntKitterhand]

He totally could be a troll, but trolls don't usually have enough discipline to keep the poker face going for that long.  I think his strong opinions come from a combination of inexperience and a contrarian attitude.  When I started posting here, I absorbed as much as I could because I knew the people who were feeding the information were better than me and knew the most effective ways to play the game.  He doesn't have that same attitude, and probably should.

 

And hey, it's possible some of the stuff he's saying is accurate.  He may actually do better in Gold with the GE by skipping Hunter Mode, because maybe he can't deal with the reduced shields.  Honestly, I never take my GE to Gold without at least a Cyclonic II, unless I know I'm in a lobby with good players.  Not sure how you would do better with the TGI without Overload, but maybe if you're using the PPR or something.... I don't know.  It seems to me that his problem is that he's confusing "this works best for me at my current skill level" with "this is the best way to do it."

 

I used to think exactly that, and gave him the benefit of the doubt - as I do with everyone - but I'm as convinced as I need to be that he's just doing it for attention.  He keeps claiming credit for stirring up BSN controversy regarding Overload use, when in fact the subject was almost 5 pages old when he first joined in.  I've tried to give genuinely constructive advice to him regarding the TSent and Cabal, and ended up wondering why I had bothered.  If he now wants to include me in his estimation of the 90% of humanity who are useless, I'm quite happy tbh.

 

And as for the TGI / PPR, don't worry, that's not what he's doing because "TGI / PPR doesn't work."  His words, very definitely not mine.

[Ashevajak]

And as for the TGI / PPR, don't worry, that's not what he's doing because "TGI / PPR doesn't work."  His words, very definitely not mine.

 

Two cloak cycles to take down an Atlas is pretty lame.

 

I mean, I hear the right build for Flamer can take down an Atlas in a single cast.

[ZoliCs]

By the way, I've played GE yesterday as per recommendation, but I specced out of Hunter Mode and it was the right decision. With HM, he's too squishy on Gold. And the overlay obscures vision more than it helps it.

 

What's the point of that? Might as well play Salarian Infiltrator.

[Swan Killer]

OP, I've given you the benefit of the doubt that you really are just unexperienced, right until your GE no HM post. Now I know for certain that you're trolling.

[TheShadyEngineer]

If you believe that, good luck to you.  He's a troll, pure and simple, and loves the attention.  He did this kind of thing once before, and is probably smearing himself in peanut butter as he reads this.

 

How do you know he doesn't have a BotB banner on one of the consoles?  He could be iiiiiiiiiiiFuckingRex from PSN for all I know (or care).  If he's as inexperienced as you believe, there's no excuse for the strength of his opinions, often presented as fact, while he complains that BSN are collectively rude to him.  He is either 12 years old or suffers from a psychological disorder.  Or is just stupid.  As are we for indulging him.

 

I played with OP before. Granted that game was a while ago and he might've gotten better in the meantime but from what I remember OP was your average gold pug- not a face melter but not a leech either. Definitely tried his best and helped with objectives but because of weird loadout choices and lack of experience he wasn't doing as well as he could have.

 

I'd compare him to that fellow who refused to take overload on his TGI and instead rely on "raw accuracy" or Born Strategists whole cryo blast on the HMI fiasco. Point is I don't think OP's a good player trying rustle jimmies. Dense as hell, I'll give you that, but probably not a troll.

[LuckyStarr]

It seems to me that his problem is that he's confusing "this works best for me at my current skill level" with "this is the best way to do it."

Note that I'm rarely claiming my way is the best way. What I say is: "My way works better than yours right here right now (and I'll probably list some specific conditions, too), I've recently tried both ways". But some people seem to fail at reading, and misinterpret that part.

 

I used to think exactly that, and gave him the benefit of the doubt - as I do with everyone - but I'm as convinced as I need to be that he's just doing it for attention.

And yet you keep posting. Have no one taught you how to deal with trolls?..

Also, Cabal doesn't have Overload, not sure why you mentioned her.

 

What's the point of that? Might as well play Salarian Infiltrator.

Someone has kindly posted a GE build in this thread, so I took it and slightly modified to ditch HM. I need GE extractions challenge anyway, and I also need to learn to play engineers because it's my most underplayed class by far. There literally isn't a single engineer that I enjoy playing.

 

 

I played with OP before.

That most likely was almost a year ago. I was playing Silver then, and just barely Gold. Now I'm quite comfortable on Gold with many characters that I deemed not Gold-viable no longer than 1 month ago. Just saying. I'm not trying to get to Platinum just for the heck of it, I'm doing that because Gold is losing its challenge.