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The easiest / most viable Platinum PUG builds?

Débuté par LuckyStarr , avril 14 2015 09:03

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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 05:38

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I'd compare him to that fellow who refused to take overload on his TGI and instead rely on "raw accuracy" 

That was Gladiatorium. There is no comparison between the two. The OP here is a very competent Gold player who is above the pug average and likes yanking BSN chains.

 

Gladiatorium was unpopular here with many people for numerous reasons, but I've played several games with him and he is an expert with the Saber TGI with no Overload, typically scoring in the 200k region on Gold. His setup had the Saber with damage barrel and scope and AP IV, and he simply cloaks and quickscopes and stuff dies. Doesn't mean I agree with him on everything or anything, but his skills with that kit are well above average and that's a fact.


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 05:41

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The OP here ... likes yanking BSN chains.

Not exactly. I like throwing my reasoning against the BSN wall. But sometimes it bounces too hard.

Also, in my defense, if I were to play Saber TGI I'd definitely take Overload, probably all the way to rank 6.


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 05:42

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Note that I'm rarely claiming my way is the best way. What I say is: "My way works better than yours right here right now (and I'll probably list some specific conditions, too), I've recently tried both ways". But some people seem to fail at reading, and misinterpret that part.

 

Fair enough if that's what you mean, but you should know that's not the way you come off.  Nobody cares whether you tried both ways and did better with your way, because that's totally subjective.  You need to recognize that the people you are arguing with are correct: the ways they are telling you to play are objectively better, if you get good at it.  You're dismissing their suggestions out of hand, because you tried it and didn't do as well.  You can keep using your TGI without Overload, or you can spec it with Overload and practice with it, and you will end up being better with the class in the end by doing so.  Same goes with Hunter Mode on the GE.  It seems like that point is flying right over your head, which is why people get frustrated with you.  


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#154
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 05:45

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Because I am suuuuuuuuper bored at work, I looked at the Platinum Challenge Hall of Fame thread and all the Turian Ghost Infiltrator solos to see how many used Overload and how many did not.

 

raw data

Spoiler

 

throwing out the ones with not enough data and reorganizing

Spoiler

 

7 NO Overload and 31 YES Overload out of 38 Platinum TGI solos for which I was able to find valid data.

 

If you look at the average completion times, though:

NO Overload... 77:29

YES Overload... 63:11

 

And minimum completion times:

NO Overload... 48:49

YES Overload... 27:33

 

I think this is pretty clear evidence that Overload makes the TGI faster and better.

 

= = =

 

Final note to the OP troll: you want to be contrarian, fine. But prove it. Prove how good you are with nonstandard builds. Do your Gold and Platinum solos and post the results for all to see, like the guys in the Hall of Fame thread did.

 

P.S. This is when he will come up with numerous excuses why he can't post proof. No video capture / can't take screenshots / crappy manifest / not enough time / 'I don't have to prove it to you' / etc. etc. etc.


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#155
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 05:49

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7 NO Overload and 31 YES Overload out of 38 Platinum TGI solos for which I was able to find valid data.

 

If you look at the average completion times, though:

NO Overload... 77:29

YES Overload... 63:11

 

And minimum completion times:

NO Overload... 48:49

YES Overload... 27:33

Good analysis. Median time is probably more indicative than average, though. Minimum is a good metric, but it depends on single cases which isn't necessarily hard proof.


#156
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 05:58

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That was Gladiatorium. There is no comparison between the two. The OP here is a very competent Gold player who is above the pug average and likes yanking BSN chains.

 

Gladiatorium was unpopular here with many people for numerous reasons, but I've played several games with him and he is an expert with the Saber TGI with no Overload, typically scoring in the 200k region on Gold. His setup had the Saber with damage barrel and scope and AP IV, and he simply cloaks and quickscopes and stuff dies. Doesn't mean I agree with him on everything or anything, but his skills with that kit are well above average and that's a fact.

 

Never played with him so I don't know how good he is with that setup and quite frankly, I don't care. With enough experience anyone can score high with nonsensical setups. He was arguing that a TGI without overload is better than one with overload despite multiple people telling him that it is simply objectively not true. Hence the comparison with OP.


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 06:20

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He was arguing that a TGI without overload is better than one with overload

That's not what I said. I said Overload doesn't improve the build. But skipping it doesn't improve the build all that much either.


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 06:49

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I played with OP before. .

I think I played with him as well in a gold pug once or twice. Not too long ago. Not a troll for sure. Just a regular TGI-harrier, cannot say I remember anything except of usual no consumables equipped/used, not even a gear. But not a dead weight either.


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:00

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I think I played with him as well in a gold pug once or twice. Not too long ago. Not a troll for sure. Just a regular TGI-harrier, cannot say I remember anything except of usual no consumables equipped/used, not even a gear. But not a dead weight either.

Wasn't me then. No consumables - could be, but I never enter with no gear. Because why?.. I don't play TGI on Gold, too. Maybe played 1 game this year. TGI and AIU are clutch kits and I only use them on plat.


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:02

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I used to think exactly that, and gave him the benefit of the doubt - as I do with everyone - but I'm as convinced as I need to be that he's just doing it for attention.....

So, what's wrong with that as long as it is entertaining? And it certainly is more entertaining than "Poll on what key you press when ME3 starts" thread. Also, agree with Minditka. Also, OP is not a troll.


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:08

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Wasn't me then. No consumables - could be, but I never enter with no gear. Because why?.. I don't play TGI on Gold, too. Maybe played 1 game this year. TGI and AIU are clutch kits and I only use them on plat.

Sorry, maybe you had some gear on, not sure. I pass through endless stream of TGI/harriers in pugs. There is at least one in every other game. You are DavidStarr or something like it, I believe. You can add me on Origin if you want. I don't play very frequently, maybe twice a week. And I don't like platinum. And I'm a generally scrubby player. We'll make a good company IMO.


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:22

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What's your Origin ID?


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:30

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My strong opinions are backed up by reasoning. Show me wrong by pointing out the mistakes in my line of reasoning. That's how you teach - by demonstrating causal relationship. That's how you learn - by understanding causal relationship. You don't learn by memorizing the fact that, say, Overload is good. Without understanding when it's good, why it's good, how to use it in every given situation, it's not knowledge. It's garbage.

 

9 of 10 BSNers choose to smack instead of teaching - and it's fine, 90% humans are useless anyway. Just don't for a moment think you're "spreading knowledge" or "sharing collective experience".

 

 

Under the circumstances, I think it was. I played Geth with HM numerous times on Silver and then Gold. Not a lot, but many times. I like the damage boost, but I don't like the negative side effects. And I don't like Geth vision, either. It can be slightly useful, or it can be plenty obscuring. Maybe it's awesome in the right hands. I just don't like it.

 

 

Let me clarify: I should be pugging Bronze until all my URs are lvl 10? Are you sure you were looking at my manifest? It's right down in the signature. It's not bad. I spend credits pretty darn wisely, I knew from day 1 which packages to buy when. Pretty sure you were looking at someone else's manifest.

 

Overload removes nearly all the shields/barriers on mooks on Gold difficulty. If you are using the Harrier then that is more than enough knowledge that you SHOULD spec into at as the ammo depletion is pretty ****** fast. Wasting ammo removing shields when a simple power can do it for you it is a no brainer. Speccing into fitness is not necessary. If you really need any additional shields, which you shouldn't, you can use a cycl 1,2,3,4. If you cannot comprehend this small fact, then perhaps you should uninstall the game.


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#164
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:33

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Well, not having overload means you lose any chance to have tech synergy with you team. No 6+6 techburst, fire exp, or cry exp. In turn, overall team damage goes down in cases where you could have synergy with other tech users.

 

Is that argument ok for you luckystarr?


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#165
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:41

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Is that argument ok for you luckystarr?

OK, although situational.


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:47

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And it certainly is more entertaining than "Poll on what key you press when ME3 starts" thread.

What utter balderdash. That thread is not only intelligent and stimulating, but also provokes us to think about the nature of truth. Don't you find truth entertaining? Well, DON'T YOU??????

 

And it actually has something to do with ME3, unlike 90% of the threads now on the front page.  :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And it must be obvious that I was trying to parody just how dumb the forum has become this week....


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:48

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What's your Origin ID?

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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 07:53

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What utter balderdash. That thread is not only intelligent and stimulating, but also provokes us to think about the nature of truth. Don't you find truth entertaining? Well, DON'T YOU?????? ....

I was always puzzled by the nature of truth. It is still a complete mystery to me. Although, after careful consideration, your thoughtful thread seems to indeed shed some light on this obscure subject. So, I take back my opinionated and unprovoked statement. It was only meant as a figure of speech.


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#169
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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 08:50

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So, what's wrong with that as long as it is entertaining? 

 

I'll tell you what's wrong with that.  My partner's away for a week and I could be watching porn, but no, instead of that I've voluntarily become embroiled in one of the most pointless debates in the history of BSN.  OP's response to JRandell's TGI Overload stats should be printed out and framed.  He's a joker.  The problem is he obviously has a degree of intelligence, but he doesn't know his limitations.  He should probably consider a career in Politics.

 

Now, what was her name again? Remy LeSomething?


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 08:58

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I'll tell you what's wrong with that.  My partner's away for a week and I could be watching porn, but no, instead of that I've voluntarily become embroiled in one of the most pointless debates in the history of BSN.  OP's response to JRandell's TGI Overload stats should be printed out and framed.  He's a joker.  The problem is he obviously has a degree of intelligence, but he doesn't know his limitations.  He should probably consider a career in Politics.

 

Now, what was her name again? Remy LeSomething?

 

Guy LeDouche


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 09:03

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I'm late to this debate but why would someone take full fitness on the TGI ?


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 09:03

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Sure you can keep denying the OP is trolling if that tickles your pickle, but this

Reegar is so much superior to any other shotgun on AIU (and pretty much any other character), it's not even worth wasting time to discuss.

If I see a non-Reegar AIU in my lobby (Gold or higher) I will probably kick her.

 

is incredibly blatant and it was only on page 1! You guys fed this one so hard he won't go hungry for a week.


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 09:07

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OP's response to JRandell's TGI Overload stats should be printed out and framed.

Uhm... is there something wrong with my response?

 

I'm late to this debate but why would someone take full fitness on the TGI ?

Because more shields + faster recharge -> less time spent dead -> more time spent shooting -> more damage dealt per minute -> faster completion time -> good?

 

You guys fed this one so hard he won't go hungry for a week.

Week? I'm good for 6 months already. Grunt concluded I'm a troll and still he can't keep from posting, how cool is that? ;)

I stand firmly by Reegar AIU, by the way. I feel that of all the arguments I've started, that one is probably the only non-controversial one on which I'm 100% right.


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 09:34

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I'll tell you what's wrong with that.  My partner's away for a week and I could be watching porn, but no, instead of that I've voluntarily become embroiled in one of the most pointless debates in the history of BSN.  ...

Well, I'm not sure about coinciding circumstance but that discussion was very entertaining as your passion had been completely wasted. Now, you can go back to porn with a cleaned consciousness after fully expressing yourself. :rolleyes:


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Posté 17 avril 2015 - 09:35

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Because more shields + faster recharge -> less time spent dead -> more time spent shooting -> more damage dealt per minute -> faster completion time -> good?

The faster shields recharge speed is pointless with Stim Packs. With only 4 ranks in fitness, you already reach the magical 1000 shields value which is enough to endure most attacks in gold. This would free 11 points that you could put into Overload. I'm pretty sure the previous posters have already explained how good this power is so I will not insist on that.

 

You may look at this old analysis (still relevant) to help you foster your reflection about the optimal levels of fitness :

 

http://agreeordie.co...phy-of-fitness/


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