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[dantares83]

10000000% yes....

 

but i would like to attend a school where i can learn to harness my powers... only if i am allowed to leave anytime i want.

[Boost32]

I know she kills a few if you have them surrender in Act 1.
Are they made Tranquil if captured in Act 2?

Yes

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I hate the 3 mage retcon and I hope it gets re-retconned to be in line with DAO and DA2 but it has to be said the situation in that clan is unique. The curse extended Zathrian life and it seemed like he's been the Keeper for all that time. In that situation he'd almost have to let the other mages stick around because otherwise people would start to grumble.

 

Regaining immortality is a great thing until your child is being sent away because of that one mage who just refuses to die.

 

Life is easier for Zathrian if he has a 'more the merrier!' attitude towards the number of mages in the clan.    

I think I should point out (again) that from all we can tell this isn't a retcon; the clan that throws out surplus mages seems to be more atypical than Zathrian's as far as its mage policy goes.

[Excella Gionne]

<-------------- Mage

[dragonflight288]

 

Yeah, I figured you would use him.

Do we know if he was Harrowed? It could be a Jowan situation.

 

Inquisitor: He was made tranquil for writing a few love letters?

Cullen: Meredith wielded the brand for lesser offenses, believe you me. 

[The Baconer]

They didn't abandon their duty. They investigated the situation and wrongfully believed Meredith had things well in hand.

And Lucius is a traitor.

 

They didn't investigate sh*t.

And, yes, Lucius is a traitor, and the breadth of his betrayal only happened because of the power afforded to Seekers.

 

 

The first mage who tried it, failed. It may have been an isolated case but since Pharamond didn't gain any abilities, it seems to be the norm.

 

Not it doesn't.

 

 

Yeah, I figured you would use him.

Do we know if he was Harrowed? It could be a Jowan situation.

 

Whether or not he was harrowed doesn't matter. The reasons for his Tranquility were not justified.

[Lethaya]

Doesn't it all depend on what your experiences would be, what Circle you would be in, etc? Some Circles offered more freedom then others, no? And having an education in how to use magic is a definite plus.... hmm. Honestly, I don't think there are any really good options for mages. It's more of a curse than a gift given the viewpoint of current societies in Thedas. Rivain seems like the ideal place to be born/exist. 

 

Would I rather be free than stuck in Kirkwall or Par Vollen, though? Yesss. But I'd say that's the (very) obvious answer. XD

[Solace]

Silly question tbh, I think everyone wants to be free. 

That was the intent...wasn't intended to be a serious question lol

[TEWR]

Freedom is relative to the individual.

[Cyberpunk]

But how much authority would you allow the templars to have over you? Would they have the right to deny you relationships entirely, use the right of tranquility as punishment, beat you for talking to civilians, all of which happened in Kirkwall, or should they have limits on how much authority they should have in their supervision? And if so, how much?

 

Vivienne summarizes the ideal circle and ideal templar order. 

[Addai]

Vivienne summarizes the ideal circle and ideal templar order. 

Power-hungry conniving politician... I'd say that about sums it up.

[Boost32]

Power-hungry conniving politician... I'd say that about sums it up.

And yet if she is made Divine she makes her ideal Circle and Order, real.

[Addai]

And yet if she is made Divine she makes her ideal Circle and Order, real.

And everyone else is forced to live Vivienne's dream. Pass.

[Boost32]

And everyone else is forced to live Vivienne's dream. Pass.

Mages seens to like it, so I don't see the problem.

[Master Warder Z_]

It hardly counts as a retcon when a dalish inquisitor can equivocally state that their clan never gave up mages.

And? That has nothing to do with the practice in question not existing at the time in the lore.

[Addai]

Mages seens to like it, so I don't see the problem.

How about the ones she slaughters? Of course the rest "like" it. They don't have a choice, any more than they did prior to the rebellion.

[Boost32]

How about the ones she slaughters? Of course the rest "like" it. They don't have a choice, any more than they did prior to the rebellion.

Only the rebels who resisted were killed, once they were in the Circle they were treated like the others and enjoyed the same freedom and responsabilities as the others.
And remember it can only happens if you sided with the mages, if you sided with the templars there is no "slaughters".

[Addai]

Only the rebels who resisted were killed, once they were in the Circle they were treated like the others and enjoyed the same freedom and responsabilities as the others.
And remember it can only happens if you sided with the mages, if you sided with the templars there is no "slaughters".

See, it's a funny thing to call people "rebels" when they just want to be free to pursue life on their own terms. That's a convenient term to justify criminalizing people for wanting to be treated as people. So, again. I'd take a pass on being one of Vivienne's "grateful" minions.

[Boost32]

See, it's a funny thing to call people "rebels" when they just want to be free to pursue life on their own terms. That's a convenient term to justify criminalizing people for wanting to be treated as people. So, again. I'd take a pass on being one of Vivienne's "grateful" minions.

They are to dangerous to be left on their own, those rebels already showed they couldn't control the ones who went rogue. If three Inquisition don't help them to get out of a terrible situation ( one they caused upon themselves) they start serving Corypheus, why I would trust them to do the right thing when it things become difficult?

[Addai]

They are to dangerous to be left on their own, those rebels already showed they couldn't control the ones who went rogue. If three Inquisition don't help them to get out of a terrible situation ( one they caused upon themselves) they start serving Corypheus, why I would trust them to do the right thing when it things become difficult?

You're condemning everyone for Fiona's decisions. This is the problem in criminalizing people just for being mages. You can justify anything that way.

 

The point is that Vivienne's master plan isn't accepted by everyone. It's mostly suited for her own power.

[Incantrix]

How about the ones she slaughters? Of course the rest "like" it. They don't have a choice, any more than they did prior to the rebellion.

you REALLY hate Vivienne lol. Sheesh. 

[KainD]

You can justify anything that way.

When will you people understand - you can justify anything, period.

[Addai]

you REALLY hate Vivienne lol. Sheesh. 

She's a mage with the potential to change the system and instead uses her fellow mages as capital to earn herself power and prestige. Plus she's an Orlesian politician.

 

So, yep. But I think it's pretty rich to say that the "mages love her reforms," when the ones who didn't love them are all dead. The irony apparently escapes Boost32.

[Boost32]

You're condemning everyone for Fiona's decisions. This is the problem in criminalizing people just for being mages. You can justify anything that way.

The point is that Vivienne's master plan isn't accepted by everyone. It's mostly suited for her own power.

No I'm not. I didn't mentioned she turning to Tevinter.

The rebels mages made a manifesto about the rebellion and failed to uphold it.

http://dragonage.wik...ry:_Rebel_Mages

They said they would use their magic against mages who went rogue, its clear they didn't.

Spoiler

We condemn those practitioners of magic who, through illness of mind or understandable but misguided anger at those who oppressed them, would use their Maker-given powers to threaten innocent lives, and we pledge to aid any legitimate and impartial government in bringing these lawless apostates to justice.

They said they would never use their magic to harm people, only for self-defense and if you don't save them what happens? They start following a darkspawn magister.

Spoiler

We reiterate Andraste's assertion that magic was made to serve man, not rule over him, and state unequivocally that we will use our abilities only to defend ourselves from those who would see us relinquish our lives and freedoms under the presumption of guilt for crimes we have not committed.

Now please tell me why I should trust them?
And you know who did the things in the manifesto? Vivienne.
And please tell me what plan would be accepted by everyone? And how giving mage more freedom and responsabilities is only suited for her own power?

[Addai]

They said they would use their magic against mages who went rogue, its clear they didn't.

Refusing to be herded back into their prisons is not "going rogue."

Vivienne setting herself up as the law and then complying with her own will isn't anything praiseworthy.