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[MisterJB]

If the circle was just a school, than maybe Connors mother would not be afraid to sent her son to be educated and learn to defend himself against demons.

 

If the Circle was just a school, then Uldred would have been free and maybe would have become a Pride Abomination in the middle of Denerim.

If out of ten mages, two are hidden by their families, that's two mages that are a threat and eight that are safe.

If there is not Circle, then ten out of ten mages are living amidst the population and thus, ten out of ten mages are a threat.

 

One does not need to be a mathematical genius to see which is the safer option.

[MisterJB]

Perhaps but one of the reasons Uldred's rebellion got so out of hand was precisely because of the large number of mages in the Circle. Magical disasters are like natural disasters, it's never wise to put danger together, if there's a chance of a fire you don't want to put flammable materials right next to it. Otherwise I guess I agree.

True, but even if mages are free, they will, naturally, form their own networks and organizations and will end up living in close proximity, anyway.

[Lumix19]

True, but even if mages are free, they will, naturally, form their own networks and organizations and will end up living in close proximity, anyway.

Perhaps but maybe a scenario where you live in the same village? Not exactly the same as living right down the hall or in a tower that mages aren't allowed to leave.

[Yuyana]

If the Circle was just a school, then Uldred would have been free and maybe would have become a Pride Abomination in the middle of Denerim.

If out of ten mages, two are hidden by their families, that's two mages that are a threat and eight that are safe.

If there is not Circle, then ten out of ten mages are living amidst the population and thus, ten out of ten mages are a threat.

 

One does not need to be a mathematical genius to see which is the safer option.

If someone force me to live in the circle, I woud be an abomination in no time.

[Barquiel]

. The Ferelden Circle is usually described as pretty lenient before the Blight irrc

I was mostly referring to the outdoor privileges...which are basically non existent in Ferelden's circle ("only way to get out of here is jump out a window")

[Steelcan]

I was mostly referring to the outdoor privileges...which are basically non existent in Ferelden's circle ("only way to get out of here is jump out a window")

maybe Anders should have thought about someone else besides himself for once then

[Addai]

The same outcome taking place outside the strong walls of a Circle carries a much, much higher potential death-toll than it did within the Circle.

 

That is the point of the Circle. Well, one of the points, anyway. Disasters involving magic will happen. It is not a question of "if," but "when." When it does, the Circle ensures the damage is mitigated with Templars readily available and the location of the threat known to all (as opposed to it being out in the wilderness having no clue where).

 

Not all mages do that, true, but there is no way of knowing whom to trust and whom not to. So the Circle takes them all in, and later grants permission for the proven ones to leave. If a mage is not good enough to leave, well, how the Templars treat him/her is not even the worst thing they have to worry about.

The Circles ensure that such disasters happen by locking mages up in areas where the Veil is thin, fueling an atmosphere of despair, fear, greed, lust and ambition in both mages and templars, and- not to be forgotten- deliberately luring demons there to feed young mages to them.

[Steelcan]

The Circles ensure that such disasters happen by locking mages up in areas where the Veil is thin, fueling an atmosphere of despair, fear, greed, lust and ambition in both mages and templars, and- not to be forgotten- deliberately luring demons there to feed young mages to them.

any place where mages congregate will have a thinner Veil.  Its a side effect of not just blood magic, but as per Solas's dialogue, one of magic use in general

[MisterJB]

I was mostly referring to the outdoor privileges...which are basically non existent in Ferelden's circle ("only way to get out of here is jump out a window")

Or be a responsible, trustworthy mage *points at Wynne, Irving, Ines, Finn*

[Yuyana]

maybe Anders should have thought about someone else besides himself for once then

No. If I do something and they go and punish someone else, then it is not my fault. They did it, they are responsible. Templars hold other mages hostage. "If you do not behave and obediently let us destroy your life, than we will kill/punish these people."

[Steelcan]

No. If I do something and they go and punish someone else, then it is not my fault. They did it, they are responsible. Templars hold other mages hostage. "If you do not behave and obediently let us destroy your life, than we will kill/punish these people."

collective punishment is hardly an idea unique to the Templars.

 

if Anders hadn't forced the Templars to crack down on escaping mages then it wouldn't have been an issue.  If he wants to get out into the wider world then he can do so through the legitimate channels that other mages use instead of selfishly going off on his own.

[MisterJB]

If someone force me to live in the circle, I woud be an abomination in no time.

Anyone who thinks being a meat suit for demons is prerable to being a prisioner in a place where, unless you were a noble before, your standards of livign are automatically raised is excess population anyway.

[Yuyana]

collective punishment is hardly an idea unique to the Templars.

 

if Anders hadn't forced the Templars to crack down on escaping mages then it wouldn't have been an issue.  If he wants to get out into the wider world then he can do so through the legitimate channels that other mages use instead of selfishly going off on his own.

I never said it was unique idea. I just think that it is stupid.

 

They forced Anders first .

[BigEvil]

If mages were real and I was one, I'd likely be dead. Is there any information on how many mages even survive their harrowing? It seems like the sort of thing which would have worse odds of survival than the Joining.

 

The lore tends to indicate that there are a lot of differing skill/power levels for mages. Most mages are probably not powerhouses like a mage PC or even mage party members, so how many of those will survive without any training if even training in the circles still leads to possession or death?

 

A better solution than the circles is likely not the complete opposite of them.

[Barquiel]

Or be a responsible, trustworthy mage *points at Wynne, Irving, Ines, Finn*

I guess there are not many "responsible, trustworthy" mages in Ferelden, considering that Gregoire thought seven mages were too many to support the army at Ostagar...

[Master Warder Z_]

Anyone who thinks being a meat suit for demons is prerable to being a prisioner in a place where, unless you were a noble before, your standards of livign are automatically raised is excess population anyway.

 

Agreed.

 

Sometimes the gene pool needs a little bleach tossed in anyway.

[MisterJB]

I guess there are not many "responsible, trustworthy" mages in Ferelden, considering that Gregoire thought seven mages were too many to support the army at Ostagar...

 

Responsible, trustoworthy mages are exceedingly rare.

 

 

 

 

[Master Warder Z_]

I guess there are not many "responsible, trustworthy" mages in Ferelden, considering that Gregoire thought seven mages were too many to support the army at Ostagar...

 

For a darkspawn raid?

 

It probably was if you compare it to risk/potential gain ratio.

 

At best all seven return and things resume as normal.

 

Never mind the possibility of a mage being possessed during the midst of a battle or anything far fetched like that 

[Yuyana]

Anyone who thinks being a meat suit for demons is prerable to being a prisioner in a place where, unless you were a noble before, your standards of livign are automatically raised is excess population anyway.

Maybe you see it as an improvement. I do not. It is nice that you think that people with different opinion on life are excess population.

 

I do not see any reason to live in the circle. I would lose everything that matters to me. Maybe I would just kill myself, I never liked to hurt people. But I understand that someone might want to kill few templars before they die.

[Jaison1986]

Submissive boot licker mages are exceedingly rare.

 

Fixed for you.

[MisterJB]

In all seriousness, Templars don't want to have, say, 50 mages in the outside world at once, even if they didn't all leave the same time.

One, two mages can be easily tracked and captured if they abuse the Templar's trust and try to escape. 50 mages and you suddenly have a large group of very powerful people who know each other and can assist each other in evading capture. Suddenly, you need dozens of Templars to bring them back.

 

Only when there is no other choice; like, say, when there is an Archdemon at the capital; should a risk like that be taken.

[MisterJB]

Fixed for you.

 

Calling any mage who understands the Templars have a point and wish to work within the system a "boot licker". Novel.

 

Of course, that includes party members like Vivienne, Wynne and Bethany.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Calling any mage who understands the Templars have a point and wish to work within the system a "boot licker". Novel.

 

Of course, that includes party members like Vivienne, Wynne and Bethany.

I'm sure you would totally support being in the Kirkwall circle. It's not so bad if you just follow the rules and don't care about your freedom. Now pick up that can citizen

[MisterJB]

Maybe you see it as an improvement. I do not.

I imagine because you have always lived in a First World nation. Even today, there are literally millions of people who would kill their own mothers to leave in something like the Circle.

 

Luxurious accomodations, education unavailable elsewhere, healing magic on beck and call, free food, always a fire in the hearts, strong walls between you and bandits or darkspawn, etc.

 

[thesuperdarkone2]

I imagine because you have always lived in a First World nation. Even today, there are literally millions of people who would kill their own mothers to leave in something like the Circle.

 

Luxurious accomodations, education unavailable elsewhere, healing magic on beck and call, free food, always a fire in the hearts, strong walls between you and bandits or darkspawn, etc.

hope you never want a family because you're never getting it in a circle.