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[dragonflight288]

That's fair. Again, I acknowledge that the level of preparedness isn't made explicitly clear. 

 

My biggest issues with the harrowing is the trappings during the event itself. The veneer of secrecy, primarily. All that seems to do is make the test more difficult, the better to be certain of the Mages capability and competence at thinking on their feet and resisting demonic influence. That's a very practical approach for them to take, especially when it comes to verifying that a Mage isn't a danger to other people. It's less effective at insuring survival of the Mages themselves, but that's my point. They want the harrowing to be harrowing, and if a few Mages die? Small price to pay to protect "innocent people."

 

Which, for the most part, is actually other mages, templars and chantry priests stationed in the circles since most mages still can't leave the circles even after passing the Harrowing. 

[Lady Artifice]

lol

 

Wynne was such a wreck when she came the Circle, as was Bethany, and Vivienne, and so on.  Many mages are perfectly fine to live in them, so you can stop with the "fear and despair" nonsense as if its universally applicable.

 

 

Wynne, Bethany, and Vivienne were all scared during the harrowing itself. Wynne and Bethany both admit to having been afraid, and Vivienne's very frightened memories are brought up by Cole in banter. I got the impression that Addai was speaking of fear during the harrowing in specific...not necessarily circle life, in general. Fear during the harrowing seems like a normal reaction. 

[Steelcan]

Wynne, Bethany, and Vivienne were all scared during the harrowing itself. Wynne and Bethany both admit to having been afraid, and Vivienne's very frightened memories are brought up by Cole in banter. I got the impression that Addai was speaking of fear during the harrowing in specific...not necessarily circle life, in general. Fear during the harrowing seems like a normal reaction. 

I gathered that Addai meant Circle life in general

[Lady Artifice]

Which, for the most part, is actually other mages, templars and chantry priests stationed in the circles since most mages still can't leave the circles even after passing the Harrowing. 

 

True...

[dragonflight288]

I gathered that I'm in the mood for some pizza and root beer. 

 

Maybe mt. dew. 

 

Hmm. It's late. I'll get some tomorrow. 

 

Oh, right. Mages. I like the declaration the mages give in a codex in Inquisition on why they dissolved the Circles. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Absolutely. Few are born with magic. Fewer will walk the path of victory and become the perfect weapon.

I'd still say a Templar would be more then a match for either Knight enchanters or Arcane warriors.

o.o

Warriors are the arbiters of physical martial combat.

[dragonflight288]

I'd still say a Templar would be more then a match for either Knight enchanters or Arcane warriors.

o.o

Warriors are the arbiters of physical martial combat.

 

What kind of templar are you talking about, a green recruit, one who just stands around all day dozing off on the job, or ones who are out and about tracking blood mages, apostates and abominations, or those who are highly trained and of decent rank?

 

Just like there are mages who are weak and don't have much magical prowess, there are templars who kind of suck at the job. 

[Master Warder Z_]

What kind of templar are you talking about, a green recruit, one who just stands around all day dozing off on the job, or ones who are out and about tracking blood mages, apostates and abominations, or those who are highly trained and of decent rank?

Just like there are mages who are weak and don't have much magical prowess, there are templars who kind of suck at the job.

By the time you reach Knight Lieutenant you already have more then a straight decade of martial training under your belt.

Several years of actual deployment as a Templar with the possibility of combat deployments.

Their soldiers.

By the time they actually become officers I'd say most are a match for enchanters of the circle.

You need not be some grizzled Knight Vigilant to be capable of gutting a first enchanter.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I'd still say a Templar would be more then a match for either Knight enchanters or Arcane warriors.

o.o

Warriors are the arbiters of physical martial combat.

Assuming the Knight Enchanter or the Arcane Warrior didn't get blocked by the Templar, I think the Templar would lose. I just don't see an ordinary knight being a match for a magically enhanced one, because magic is simply too good an unfair advantage. Of course, in most cases that's a stupid assumption to make, so there's that. Edit: Of course, this is barring Dragonflight's point of their relative skill, which given what sufficiently skilled warriors in Thedas can do might be enough to turn this around.

[Aimi]

if the world of thedas was real and if I were a mage, I would probably be okay with giving up freedom so long as I was on the tenure track

not adjunct though, I do have to draw the line somewhere

[Master Warder Z_]

Assuming the Knight Enchanter or the Arcane Warrior didn't get blocked by the Templar, I think the Templar would lose. I just don't see an ordinary knight being a match for a magically enhanced one,

Well even going off of Baconer's templar theory which requires physical contact for negation of magic lo and behold.

Your fighting them physically.

So yes.

Their magic would be negated.

[Steelcan]

if the world of thedas was real and if I were a mage, I would probably be okay with giving up freedom so long as I was on the tenure track

not adjunct though, I do have to draw the line somewhere

everyone has to have standards

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Oh, right. Mages. I like the declaration the mages give in a codex in Inquisition on why they dissolved the Circles. 

 

I like the part where they indicate their grievances is with the Circle's latest set of restrictions, not the Circle before nor the Circle in principle.

[The Baconer]

I'd still say a Templar would be more then a match for either Knight enchanters or Arcane warriors.

o.o

Warriors are the arbiters of physical martial combat.

 

Against a Templar it would be down to the bare martial skill of the prospective combatants. On paper, a fair fight.

 

But nations don't field army of Templars. The average soldier, knight, even a Chevalier has little hope against Dirth'ena enasalin.

[Xilizhra]

I like the part where they indicate their grievances is with the Circle's latest set of restrictions, not the Circle before nor the Circle in principle.

Well, they want support from the populace, yes? It wouldn't do to be too openly radical.

 

Luckily, this stops being an issue by game's end provided Leliana becomes Divine.

[Steelcan]

Well, they want support from the populace, yes? It wouldn't do to be too openly radical.

 

Luckily, this stops being an issue by game's end provided Leliana becomes Divine.

because BioWare would never overwrite an epilogue

[Xilizhra]

I'd still say a Templar would be more then a match for either Knight enchanters or Arcane warriors.

o.o

Warriors are the arbiters of physical martial combat.

Not really. Templars can only abolish magic so often, and knight-enchanters can put up defenses faster than templars can take them down, in addition to a knight-enchanter's spirit blade generally being a stronger weapon.

[Xilizhra]

because BioWare would never overwrite an epilogue

Utterly pointless and has no place in any discussion unless Bioware actually does overwrite the epilogue. Beyond that, it's a blatant attempt to ignore what's canon now.

[Aimi]

everyone has to have standards

yeah I mean enchanters just past a harrowing basically do a 5/5 anyway

[Steelcan]

Utterly pointless and has no place in any discussion unless Bioware actually does overwrite the epilogue. Beyond that, it's a blatant attempt to ignore what's canon now.

forgive me if I don't assume the epilogues as permanent and unmovable

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Well, they want support from the populace, yes? It wouldn't do to be too openly radical.

 

Luckily, this stops being an issue by game's end provided Leliana becomes Divine.

 

Nice try, but the mages' vote to break away barely made the cut. It was pretty much a 51/49 vote.

 

Also, that the rebels are generally content to be conscripted into the Inquisition says it all.

 

Face it, your radical position is not that well-supported within mage circles (<-- OOOHHHHH!!!).

[Xilizhra]

forgive me if I don't assume the epilogues as permanent and unmovable

Anything can be retconned at any time, but that doesn't mean we can't talk about what's canon now.

 

 

Nice try, but the mages' vote to break away barely made the cut. It was pretty much a 51/49 vote.

 

Also, that the rebels are generally content to be conscripted into the Inquisition says it all.

 

Face it, your radical position is not that well-supported within mage circles (<-- OOOHHHHH!!!).

Happily, I'm in this for all the mages, not just the easily satisfied ones. And I win in the end.

[Master Warder Z_]

Not really.

Yes really.

[Xilizhra]

Yes really.

Hit with Spirit Blade to generate barriers; when you eventually Spell Purge me, I cast another barrier; continue attacking and spellcasting, Spirit Blade easily cuts through guard; Clean Burn ensures that each swing of the blade reduces the cooldown on my barrier; templar is ultimately boned.

[Steelcan]

gameplay/story segregation people