Psh.After the events of DAI, it'll be harder for the Chantry to produce self-hating mages.
But hey, there's always the Qun.
Keili is a complete nutter, I wouldn't want her representing my fraternity. I'd take more Viviennes.
According to the lore no one should be afraid of the mages. I just came across this mage codex and it really baffled me.
"A mage´s strike rarely hits with the force of a trained chevalier´s blade"
I don´t want to be nitpicking but does that mean a mage strikes with the force of a,
geriatric senior citizen?
or
10 years old kid?
So a mage does what now, dazzles his enemy and then kicks him in the balls? How could Tevinter Imperium ever conquer Thedas should their mages be so pitiful, is Bio deliberately turning mages into jesters? *sight* How I miss BG2 mages.
In fairness, I imagine that the force of a chevalier's blade would kill most folks, and a mage could probably deal that kind of damage to multiple people in the same area simultaneously.
In fairness, I imagine that the force of a chevalier's blade would kill most folks, and a mage could probably deal that kind of damage to multiple people in the same area simultaneously.
After the events of DAI, it'll be harder for the Chantry to produce self-hating mages.
But hey, there's always the Qun.
Which events?
The ones where mages had an opportunity for freedom and used it to side with the very man who broke into the Maker's city and brought the Blight?
Really, it won't matter because Bioware can't have Chantry doctrine be altered by the events of DAI but, in the real world, after something like that happened, it's not hard to imagine the anti-mage doctrine feeling vindicated and grow more powerful.
Psh.
It's responsible attitude towards magic.
Just because it doesn't fit some inane utopia doesn't make any less valid a stance, nor does it make it any more undesirable.
Not every mage is Anders.
Not all of them want to be monsters.
The fact that you think someone like Keili is anything but a sad, sad case- or at least you're pretending to think that- is pretty telling.
Which events?
The weakening of Chantry power.
The weakening of Chantry power.
The one we restore?
Being horrified by the ability to become a literal monster, by something that does not leave, something that become a literal unwanted curse.The fact that you think someone like Keili is anything but a sad, sad case- or at least you're pretending to think that- is pretty telling.
Being horrified by the ability to become a literal monster, by something that does not leave, something that become a literal unwanted curse.
I understand it.
It's reasonable.
You labeling it as sad is expected.
Keili takes it a little far, though. I'm not denying that being a mage under this setting's rules would be freaking scary, but Keili also seems to have concluded that the Maker hates her and that she's already anathema.
Keili takes it a little far, though. I'm not denying that being a mage under this setting's rules would be freaking scary, but Keili also seems to have concluded that the Maker hates her and that she's already anathema.
As long as it's Greagoir and not Meredith being Knight-Commander, I don't think I would mind that much. I've always liked towers. 
That doesn't follow at all. One, it's established in DA:O that templars are chosen primarily for their religious fervor and loyalty to the Chantry. Two, supporting a standing army is incredibly costly. It's one thing for the Chantry to maintain a sizeable number of templars that's more or less comparable to the number of mages (or somewhat greater). It's another thing to have an actual military force.
DA:O's codex - which is really the only time we get to read about templar abilities as they're seen in the lore, not gameplay - make it sound like they're very adept at countering most non-blood magic, which is why hedge mages and apostates have to resort to it to stay free.
Being horrified by the ability to become a literal monster, by something that does not leave, something that become a literal unwanted curse.
I understand it.
It's reasonable.
You labeling it as sad is expected.
Keili is not a reasonable person.
Vivienne has a proper understanding of the dangers of magic, while being mentally competent. Of course, I know for your tastes that she is too competent, for a mage.
Keili is not a reasonable person.
I'd disagree.
During Broken Circle: "It's the Maker, punishing us!"
No, Keili. It took me about two minutes of investigation to find out that is not, in fact, the case. This is why you don't want someone like Keili acting in any official capacity within your fraternity.
According to the lore no one should be afraid of the mages. I just came across this mage codex and it really baffled me.
"A mage´s strike rarely hits with the force of a trained chevalier´s blade"
The codex continues on with "[...] it often carries unnatural energies: fire that boils a man inside his armor, lightning that steals the strength from his limbs, and so forth" so it could be talking about literal kinetic force. Of course, if we're counting numerous cutscenes + literature that would also not be true. You can chalk it up to in-universe prospective with a lack of relevant experiences.
so... if you let Anders live, he join to ISIS?
According to the lore no one should be afraid of the mages. I just came across this mage codex and it really baffled me.
"A mage´s strike rarely hits with the force of a trained chevalier´s blade"
Say that to a Force Mage. They hit you like a freaking train.
I think that's just a lore way of saying those staff blasts do less damage than swords, which they do.
True, it still makes the mage quite lame. Definitely not something to be afraid off.
You are aware that there's some degree of distance between "the force of a trained superknight's attacks" and "the force of a ten-year-old's wimpslap?"
There is little magical or scary about a strength which a man with a sword can best, that is just my point.
In fairness, I imagine that the force of a chevalier's blade would kill most folks, and a mage could probably deal that kind of damage to multiple people in the same area simultaneously.
Probably, thought a person with a torch and bucket of tar could do equal damage and claim to be a mage.
Say that to a Force Mage. They hit you like a freaking train.
Well, it seems Force mage has been reduced into a paper train according to lore. Force mage slaps you now with a strength of a wet towel. 
Edit: I am not going to derail this thread anymore, sorry for any inconvenience.
I'd disagree.
Just because views are what they are and don't magically change to suit whim doesn't make them unreasonable.
During Broken Circle: "It's the Maker, punishing us!"
I don't know...it makes a Damn good allegory for dangerous pride.
It's almost biblical.
One should save such thoughts for the hereafter. At the present moment there were problems that needed to be solved, lives to be saved. Another reason why you wouldn't want more mages around like Keili.
If such mages wish to spurn their gift so, there is an alternative path available to them.
One should save such thoughts for the hereafter.
I'd agree.
But I'd also point out no one save the Templars were doing anything about the problem anyway by the time the PC arrived.
So...it isn't much of a failing.
In the scenario that the PC wouldn't arrive at all the abominations would likely try to escape the tower after assimilating the remaining mages, including Irving. So that means either a fight to the death to hold them off while the Templar host arrives or aid Wynne in maintaining the barrier... which would probably devolve into aforementioned fight to the death.
It's also a failing in the sense that it is HERETICAL. Magic is a gift and a responsibility, and the Maker is gone until the Chant resounds from the four corners of the earth.
It's also a failing in the sense that it is HERETICAL. Magic is a gift and a responsibility, and the Maker is gone until the Chant resounds from the four corners of the earth.
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