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[Master Warder Z_]

Everyone wants to be free
This is why I'd hope to be born a Dalish mage. They're the most free ... and elven...

Unless if you're the third mage in which case your the most dead.

[Steelcan]

What's the difference is the damage is the same?

I guess my problem is that I believe in all the stuff they keep telling us about freedom and "innocent until proven guilty". Maybe a silly sentiment, I wouldn't know.

oh spare me the sentimentality

 

a mage WILL be tempted by demons, a mundane MIGHT go on a rampage

[Addai]

oh spare me the sentimentality

 

a mage WILL be tempted by demons, a mundane MIGHT go on a rampage

A mage is much more likely to go on a rampage when being pursued by templars or driven to such despair that they find death preferable, as Cole found them in the Spire. So whatever the solution to the danger of mages is, it's not the Circle system as it's been implemented.

[Siha]

a mage WILL be tempted by demons, a mundane MIGHT go on a rampage

 

Temptation doesn't necessarily lead to corruption.

[Nehn]

Unless if you're the third mage in which case your the most dead.

 

Sigh ... I was hoping that possibility would never come up  T_T

[Steelcan]

Temptation doesn't necessarily lead to corruption.

no it doesn't but the risk is omnipresent and cannot be averted without tranquility

[Siha]

no it doesn't but the risk is omnipresent and cannot be averted without tranquility

 

So you'd rather suggest the rite of tranquility for all mages and not locking them up in a Circle?

[Steelcan]

So you'd rather suggest the rite of tranquility for all mages and not locking them up in a Circle?

no that's not what I said

 

at all

 

in any way shape or form

 

I said that temptation is always going to be there and cannot be avoided without tranquility, I did not endorse the Tranquil Solution or anything like it.

[Siha]

I said that temptation is always going to be there and cannot be avoided without tranquility, I did not endorse the Tranquil Solution or anything like it.

 
"Temptation doesn't necessarily lead to corruption." That's like an ex-smoker/alcoholic/drug addict etc. Not everybody falls prey.

But this is a matter of opposing views and further debating won't lead to a consensus anyway.

[trevelyan_shep]

If I lived in a circle that allowed me to have relationships/family/children and didn't feel like I was a prisoner for no reason than being born different I'd be fine. It's when the drug addicted Templars start feeling the itch to hurt the only people that can't defend themselves that worries me. A circle that could provide a good environment for the mages and the templars would be ideal, but realistically it would never happen. Mages will continue to be treated like they are less than dirt because they just happen to have magical talent. 

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Love, life and liberty. What more does a man need?

[Bad King]

Unless if you're the third mage in which case your the most dead.

 

Except we have multiple demonstrable examples of Dalish clans having more than two mages including mages who voluntarily lived apart from their clan rather than being kicked out (e.g Aneirin and Cillian). I'm inclined to believe that infanticide (as a last resort when other clans don't need an extra mage) and the two mage rule is only practised by certain Dalish clans. Otherwise we have a large retcon on our hands.

[Steelcan]

Except we have multiple demonstrable examples of Dalish clans having more than two mages including mages who voluntarily lived apart from their clan rather than being kicked out (e.g Aneirin and Cillian). I'm inclined to believe that infanticide (as a last resort when other clans don't need an extra mage) and the two mage rule is only practised by certain Dalish clans. Otherwise we have a large retcon on our hands.

well its not like BioWare is above large retcons

[Sable Rhapsody]

Generally speaking, I don't think it's a bad thing to be fed, educated, and protected from superstitious mobs.  Especially in a world like Thedas.  The rest would depend heavily on the Circle.  Montsimmard?  Sure, I'd probably stick around and be loyal to the Circle.  Ferelden?  Provided I survived the demon abomination wave back in the First Blight, sure.  Kirkwall?  Not so much.  

[DirkJake]

Of course, I would not ever want to be in the southern Circle. Living my whole life in that confined space would surely depress me.

 

I would want to live with and be nurtured by people who have understanding of magic (how to use it, danger of it, and benefits of it) but not fear of magic, promoted by religious propaganda. Mage Hawke before the blight sounds like a good situation.

 

I want to be judged by what I've done, not what I might do or what other mages did.

 

Love, life and liberty. What more does a man need?

 

A cat, apparently. 

[KaiserShep]

I most certainly would greatly prefer freedom to living in a prison full of anti-magic super constables for the rest of my life, having to deal with Chantry BS and such.

[Master Warder Z_]

Except we have multiple demonstrable examples of Dalish clans having more than two mages including mages

Two cases.

You cited both of them that I am aware of.

Which is only one more then the evidence against it, so it's little more then a statistical coin flip.

Beyond that, the elf in woods didn't consider himself Dalish, didn't live among them so I'd say he wouldn't count anyway.

So spare me the tripe.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

It seems to me that trying to come with an idea of how Dalish generally handle mages may not be entirely productive. I think I remember that Gaider was asked whether the Dalish are monolithic in their culture, or if there's desert Dalish, jungle Dalish, Frostback Dalish and other sub-ethnicities. If I recall correctly Gaider's response was that while the clans do that Gathering thing Velanna mentions recognizing Mahariel from in the hopes of staying monolithic, in practice the customs really do vary a lot from clan to clan. Which makes sense, since if I remember correctly the Gathering happens once a decade. It may be that the evidence of how mages are treated that seems to point in different directions is meant to be understood in that context, and if so we can't know that the way we see them handled the majority of the time is the way they are handled the majority of the time.

[Lumix19]

Ah actual witch hunts.

Burnings at the stake.

Public trials and executions.

Mob justice is a type of justice after all.

I don't think we should generalise the fear of mages that exists in the South to all of Thedas. Rivain and Nevarra certainly don't fear their mages to the same extent. Who knows what other cultural traditions other countries might have concerning mages.

[dragonflight288]

Hmm. Depends on where I live. 

 

Were I an Avaar, I think I would be free. If I were a Dalish, I'd prefer to be a First or in one of the clans where they don't turn you loose if they have too many mages. 

 

If I lived in a Circle, I'd want to be in a situation where I can make the most of what I have. I'd love the education, I'd be happy with "limited" oversight from the templars should an idiotic or over-ambitious apprentice get in over their heads, but I would not want them use the Right of Tranquility as a punishment. 

 

I'd be happy to study my magic, develop as much as possible without the Chantry or the Templars hanging over my head. 

 

For me, being a mage in a Circle means I should have some rights. The right to be treated as a person, meaning I can have relationships with someone else, date and eventually get married without needed special permission. It would mean that the Right of Tranquility cannot be used as a punishment, it's only for volunteers or an absolute last resort for mages who can't control their powers, and that's it. I would have the right to visit a market every now and then or to take apprentices out on field-trips so they can get either exercise and fresh air or even play in a courtyard or something.

 

Give me the peace of mind so I don't have to worry about being emotionally neutered and the freedom to make my own choices, like if I want to serve in the army or start a clinic, but leave me the option of returning home to the Circle, and I'd be quite content in the Circle. 

[Ashagar]

I don't think we should generalise the fear of mages that exists in the South to all of Thedas. Rivain and Nevarra certainly don't fear their mages to the same extent. Who knows what other cultural traditions other countries might have concerning mages.

 

Well if the codexes are any indentation, it seems that the safest place for a mage and his family in local views towards is Navarra(as long as they are necromancers and not blood mages), Tevinter unless you fall into the hands of the qunari and Rivain.

[dragonflight288]

Well if the codexes are any indentation, it seems that the safest place for a mage and his family in local views towards is Navarra(as long as they are necromancers and not blood mages), Tevinter unless you fall into the hands of the qunari and Rivain.

 

Or an Avaar Augur. 

[Cyberpunk]

On a selfish level most definitely. On a socially conscious level, I would acknowledge the danger and agree to Templar supervision.  

[dragonflight288]

On a selfish level most definitely. On a socially conscious level, I would acknowledge the danger and agree to Templar supervision.  

 

But how much authority would you allow the templars to have over you? Would they have the right to deny you relationships entirely, use the right of tranquility as punishment, beat you for talking to civilians, all of which happened in Kirkwall, or should they have limits on how much authority they should have in their supervision? And if so, how much?